Bundesliga, DFB Cup, and other Bundesliga business 2014/2015

To be fair to Weiser, he linked up really well with Robben there.
 
RedSky said:
As things stand Dortmund go up to 16th.
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As things stand, they'll draw the game, because one feck-up in defense is a given. They need to score a 2nd goal or else...
 
One fecking shot on goal, one!!! Against Stuttgart! Ffs, bring a 4th attacker, Pep.
 
Yes, yes, yes! He just needs to listen to me and everything will be fine :D.
 
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH! Alaba, damn. That's the best freekick I've seen a bayern player score in years.
 
Piratesoup said:
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH! Alaba, damn. That's the best freekick I've seen a bayern player score in years.
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Pretty cool that he's allowed to take one from that position, it's Robben's sweet spot after all.
 
Get in Dortmund. Hopefully Klopp will come out of this season even stronger. Will make him even better and prepared for everything in the future.
 
I've said it so many times, Aubamayang is Dortmund's best striker and buying both Immobile and Ramos was a waste of money, they needed only one of them.
 
For fecks sake Dortmund decide today is the day they want to be good again when I was on for a £500 win
 
2 wonderful goals but all in all still not a good performance. We're just relying on Robben to score at the moment and if he were to fail, I can't see a lot of danger developing in the opponent's box as long as it's 0:0.
 
We were awful. Individual class prevailed, but all the cohesion, the movement, the passing from the first half of the season is gone. I hope we find it again before the important part of the season starts.
 
Dortmund's third goal looked like they're back at their best. Should be interesting if it continues in the next games.

 
PedroMendez said:
I am not blaming only him. The managers and players are also responsible. Hertha had truly terrible manager and bad players but isnt that also his responsibility? He picked them. Rehhagel was completely out of the game and did jack-shit. He did a terrible job and any 12er old could tell you that Skibbe isn't a good manager.
You also don't get a medal for sticking to a manager as long as possible. I honestly don't know if Luhukay was still the right guy for Hertha. Maybe he was. Maybe he wasn't. Regardless it is a staggering decision to sack him two games after the winterbreak. If the team is underperforming for one year you might want to analyse that and fix it. Either the squad isnt good enough or the manager doesnt do a good job. Non of those things change during two games. Sack him during the summer and bring in a better manager or do it during the winterbreak, if you really have to change things. He´ll only react to those things, when shit hit the fan. He doesn't have the balls and the expertise to make good decisions at the right time.
Thats just not good management. The comparison to Manchester United is actually surprisingly accurate: shambolic management. Woody is clueless when he has to make non-business related decisions. The difference is that United can throw money at problems - a luxury, that Hertha cannot afford.

If I look at the squad, Hertha is where I expect them to be: relegation battle. Getting Kalou sounds good, but he is not a starter. So I dont know how you can be so happy about this transfer. He surely is one of the top-earner. I also dont see much talent in your squad. Stocker and Schulz might be the two exceptions. Overall his transfer dealings are not bad, but they aren't great either.

Are you satisfied with the situation? Is that really as good as it gets for Hertha? that would be incredibly depressing. At this point he should have established Hertha as mid-table club, that isn't in permanent danger of going down.
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First of all, it seems that I'm something like a Preetz fan, which I'm clearly not. I'm also more of a Hertha sympathizer than a fan, because I'm living here for some years now.

I think life and business is all about progress and living in the past is a philosophy that doesn't make sense for me. Preetz started pretty bad, as I stated several times, but he seems to have learned from his mistakes and did a solid job over the past two years. You can't change everything at the beginning, especially if you are still learning your trade and pick up the pieces Dieter Hoeneß left behind. A really, really good director of football with plenty of experience would have done a better job, no doubt about that, but we are talking about Hertha and not Bayern, Dortmund or Schalke, so it's not like they had a real choice to pick from the best candidates for the job.

Rehagel was completely out of the game, but if SAF becomes available in two years time, wouldn't you give him a chance? We are talking about a German coaching legend, someone who showed what he can do with underdogs, winning the Euros, winning championships and also having a past at Hertha. If you are fighting against relegation in the last couple of games, you can't change an awful lot and Rehagel certainly gave everyone a morale boost, at least for a short time and that's exactly what you need in these kind of situations. I wouldn't have hired Skibbe or even Funkel either, as I don't rate them at all, but I've seen other clubs making strange decisions too, so it's not solely Hertha or Preetz who have done mistakes regarding coach appointments.

Luhukay is a great guy, hard working and very grounded. He did a good job overall but sometimes it just doesn't work out for the good guys. They want continuity at the club and that's the way it should be, but you can't force it at all costs if the results aren't good or when the coach lost the dressing room. I also said that the timing of the sacking wasn't good and that it probably would have been better, if they sacked him during the winter break. The new coach would have had time to get to know the team and work with them for a few weeks instead of Dardai having just two days to prepare for the game against Mainz. But you criticised Preetz for being short sighted and what he did there was believing that Luhukay could turn it around. The first game against Bremen after the break was just so dull that it implied that he couldn't get them out of there, so they felt that they needed to act quicker than they hoped. And your statement that "He'll only react to those things, when shit hit the fan" isn't true, because most of the fans were already frustrated a few games into the season and were calling for a new coach. He sticked with Luhukay as long as he could, because he wanted continuity. To say he doesn't have the balls to make good decisions at the right time is an easy thing to say afterwards, but nobody is able to see future.

If I look at the squad I don't see them where I expect them to be. There are some clubs I see below or equal to them, if you only compare the squads. Paderborn, Cologne, Bremen, Freiburg, Augsburg, Stuttgart or Hamburg don't have better players overall. Kalou is not a starter and therefore you can't be happy that one of the best earners of the club sits on the bench, especially with a tight budget. But Hertha finished on 11th place last season and added Kalou, Stocker, Heitinga, Schieber, Beerens, Plattenhardt, Hegeler and Haraguchi. I see some good, some useful and some talented players for the future there. If you compare those to the few players who left for good money (Ramos, Lasogga) and Allagui who went on loan to Mainz, they should have done a lot better this season. And yes, for Hertha circumstances, that was a good transfer summer and no, of course I'm not satisfied with the situation at the moment.

Is that really as good as it gets for Hertha? I don't think so, because there is a lot of potential in the area. Hertha are the capitol club, based in a metropole, with a good stadium and without any real competitors in the city. But the squad underachieved this season compared to what it could have done ability wise and that's not always the fault of the director of football. In my eyes, he did a good job by getting these players in, to stabilise the club financially (the KKR deal) and to try to stick with the manager as long as he could. I don't see Preetz as the scapegoat this time, but everyone is allowed to have his own opinion on this matter. To judge an actual situation based on mistakes in the past is just not fair and in my eyes, that's what most people do when they call for his head at the moment.
 
Another 2 for De Bruyne, one of which was a top long range strike. This kid is fecking brilliant, I sure hope we get him. That's 5 in his last 3, too.
 
Ugh. What a fecking stupid way to lose a game. What was Karius thinking?
 
DWelbz19 said:
Another 2 for De Bruyne, one of which was a top long range strike. This kid is fecking brilliant, I sure hope we get him. That's 5 in his last 3, too.
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Glazer: Here is 50M pounds.
VW: Here is a beetle, go suck on the pipe.
 
fecking Hamburg. Hannover dominates the game, but misses a penalty and scores an own goal. Hamburg 1-0 in the lead at halftime without a shot on target. They'll never get relegated :(
 
Balu said:
I've said it so many times, Aubamayang is Dortmund's best striker and buying both Immobile and Ramos was a waste of money, they needed only one of them.
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Well, in hindsight the Ramos transfer was certainly an expensive misunderstanding and I don´t see him making the cut in Dortmund. He is simply mentally too fragile for a club of that size.

However, I can understand the logic behind these transfers:

- While Aubameyang hinted his potential many times in his first season, his development and improvement as a player was one of the very few positives in the last six months

- striker usually need a bit of time to bed into the team under Klopp, so buying a proven Bundesliga striker to transition until Immobile is fully integrated seems like a solid plan overall. They probably misjudged Ramos´ mental strength, though, as I already mentioned.

- This is actually the most important point: Klopp wanted to shift the tactical formations a bit towards a two striker system. This should help vs. deeper lying defenses, filling the void that Lewandowski left behind and was extensively practised in the pre season. The problem was that we lost too many midfielders to injuries (especially Sahin, who is by some criminally underrated, was a huge loss) to execute this system properly. The transfer of Kagawa, who became available very late in the transfer window, also probably changed plans. If they would have signed Kagawa earlier, I doubt that they would have went for two clear cut strikers in the window.

So, yeah, the transfer of Ramos was probably not the brightest decision the officials made in the last years, but it also shows how fast things can move and change in this sport. There are no guarantees.
 
Balu said:
fecking Hamburg. Hannover dominates the game, but misses a penalty and scores an own goal. Hamburg 1-0 in the lead at halftime without a shot on target. They'll never get relegated :(
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Vital 3 points.

No idea how we won that one though... :lol:

Two deflected goals, I'm sure we wouldn't have scored otherwise. But this is the first time since April(?) 2013 that we win two games in a row.
Our injury list is long so it was essential that we get a few points in the first three games as there's so many difficult games after that. Bayern next...

Anyways, nice feeling to get a bit of a relief. :smirk:
 
JustFootballFan said:
Glazer: Here is 50M pounds.
VW: Here is a beetle, go suck on the pipe.
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:lol: I can't see the player wanting to stay, though. If he continues in the trajectory he's currently on, he'll be too good to keep.
 
Cro said:
First of all, it seems that I'm something like a Preetz fan, which I'm clearly not. I'm also more of a Hertha sympathizer than a fan, because I'm living here for some years now.

I think life and business is all about progress and living in the past is a philosophy that doesn't make sense for me. Preetz started pretty bad, as I stated several times, but he seems to have learned from his mistakes and did a solid job over the past two years. You can't change everything at the beginning, especially if you are still learning your trade and pick up the pieces Dieter Hoeneß left behind. A really, really good director of football with plenty of experience would have done a better job, no doubt about that, but we are talking about Hertha and not Bayern, Dortmund or Schalke, so it's not like they had a real choice to pick from the best candidates for the job.

Rehagel was completely out of the game, but if SAF becomes available in two years time, wouldn't you give him a chance? We are talking about a German coaching legend, someone who showed what he can do with underdogs, winning the Euros, winning championships and also having a past at Hertha. If you are fighting against relegation in the last couple of games, you can't change an awful lot and Rehagel certainly gave everyone a morale boost, at least for a short time and that's exactly what you need in these kind of situations. I wouldn't have hired Skibbe or even Funkel either, as I don't rate them at all, but I've seen other clubs making strange decisions too, so it's not solely Hertha or Preetz who have done mistakes regarding coach appointments.

Luhukay is a great guy, hard working and very grounded. He did a good job overall but sometimes it just doesn't work out for the good guys. They want continuity at the club and that's the way it should be, but you can't force it at all costs if the results aren't good or when the coach lost the dressing room. I also said that the timing of the sacking wasn't good and that it probably would have been better, if they sacked him during the winter break. The new coach would have had time to get to know the team and work with them for a few weeks instead of Dardai having just two days to prepare for the game against Mainz. But you criticised Preetz for being short sighted and what he did there was believing that Luhukay could turn it around. The first game against Bremen after the break was just so dull that it implied that he couldn't get them out of there, so they felt that they needed to act quicker than they hoped. And your statement that "He'll only react to those things, when shit hit the fan" isn't true, because most of the fans were already frustrated a few games into the season and were calling for a new coach. He sticked with Luhukay as long as he could, because he wanted continuity. To say he doesn't have the balls to make good decisions at the right time is an easy thing to say afterwards, but nobody is able to see future.

If I look at the squad I don't see them where I expect them to be. There are some clubs I see below or equal to them, if you only compare the squads. Paderborn, Cologne, Bremen, Freiburg, Augsburg, Stuttgart or Hamburg don't have better players overall. Kalou is not a starter and therefore you can't be happy that one of the best earners of the club sits on the bench, especially with a tight budget. But Hertha finished on 11th place last season and added Kalou, Stocker, Heitinga, Schieber, Beerens, Plattenhardt, Hegeler and Haraguchi. I see some good, some useful and some talented players for the future there. If you compare those to the few players who left for good money (Ramos, Lasogga) and Allagui who went on loan to Mainz, they should have done a lot better this season. And yes, for Hertha circumstances, that was a good transfer summer and no, of course I'm not satisfied with the situation at the moment.

Is that really as good as it gets for Hertha? I don't think so, because there is a lot of potential in the area. Hertha are the capitol club, based in a metropole, with a good stadium and without any real competitors in the city. But the squad underachieved this season compared to what it could have done ability wise and that's not always the fault of the director of football. In my eyes, he did a good job by getting these players in, to stabilise the club financially (the KKR deal) and to try to stick with the manager as long as he could. I don't see Preetz as the scapegoat this time, but everyone is allowed to have his own opinion on this matter. To judge an actual situation based on mistakes in the past is just not fair and in my eyes, that's what most people do when they call for his head at the moment.
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Preetz started unacceptably bad and continued with this for a while. The second relegation is fairly inexcusable. Hiring Luhukay was a real surprise to me and a good decision. I thought that Hertha really learned something during their last spell in the second division. They looked a lot more humble, grounded and professional. Finishing as 11th in 13/14 was the consequence of this work. Still the second year is often harder than the first one so I wouldn’t overrated this development.

Again, you don’t get a medal for “sticking to the manager”. It’s not the be-all and end-all. It’s about sacking the wrong manager, when he still has decent success and sticking to the right manager when he is going through a rough spell. And obviously its about appointing a good manager in the first place. For all of that the DoF needs to evaluate the work of a manager without looking at the recent results, because they can be very misleading (or at least without ONLY looking at this criterion). Preetz is not able to do that. It’s a fairly common problem for football clubs but more and more teams are able to do that.

Paderborn has a worse squad and then there is a group of 4-5 teams that have more or less similar squads – Hertha is one of them. With the current squad I expect Hertha to be in the relegation battle (which doesn’t mean that they get relegated). I have a very different opinion on the majority of his transfers. Overall his transfer business isn’t bad but not really better than those of your competitors.

After more than 5 years of work the DoF of a club has to take on responsibility for the performance of his club. Hertha is underachieving and I don’t see a lasting positive development. I understand your view, but in the end we have to agree to disagree.
 
If somebody looks for the next club to get into his hipster heart...

Werder Bremen...

On matchday 16th they were 18th and everybody was talking about relegation...

4 matchday later they just lead 2:0 against Leverkusen after 30 minutes and are 8th...
 
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