Bundesliga, DFB Cup, and other Bundesliga business 2014/2015
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Look at the increase in revenue since the sugar daddies arrived and turned the League into the most exciting in the world (in my opinion of course). The last jump in TV deals (domestic & overseas) alone over the past 3 years has taken it from €1.4 billion - €3 billion. If you believe we'd have gotten anywhere near that with United winning the League at a canter every season whilst Arsenal paid off their stadium debt, you're deluded.
I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say anymore. All the European top teams from past 2 decades seem to be in constant downfall in your opinion. Who the hell is actually doing a good job?Money and stability/not stupid, rash decisions. Using Madrid, Juve, Milan & Chelsea
My point is simple: where one club has twice(or more) the budget of their nearest rivals, 90% of the time they will win. A club that wins 90% of the time will hurt the League. The TV revenue since the sugar daddy takeover of the Premier League illustrates this.
Just like United won 8 out of 10 titles (discount Blackburn as a sugar daddy).
Just like Inter won 5 in a row when they were spending way more than everyone else
Just like Juventus have won 3 and will win 5-6 in a row now that everyone else is cutting costs to comply with FFP.
Just like Porto have won 9 of the last 12 (12 out of 12 for Porto/Benfica who out-earn everyone else)
Just like Real/Barce have won 9 of the last 10 La Liga titles.
Just like PSG will win titles perpetually
Just like Celtic/Rangers have won the last 28 titles
I don't understand how anyone can disagree with this simple point. Unfortunately for Germany Bayern don't have a Rangers to their Celtic; or a Barcelona to their Madrid; or a Chelsea/City to their Man Utd.
Just as an aside I need to get back to work so any other reply may take a day or 2.
I ignored that part.I agree that bayern is dominating the league in a remarkable way for 2 1/2 years now. Still 2 1/2 years ago many predicted, that dortmund is going to take over from bayern. Things can change fairly fast and context matters. THere are various examples in the history of football, where exceptional teams dominated for a couple of years and its the same with bayern. When Ribery, Robben, Schweinsteiger and Lahm are declining in few years other teams will get their chance and Pep wont stay forever as well. Any kind of half-baked rule change will make things worse.
Your conclusion, that bayern´s dominance is hurting the league is just plane wrong so. There is no objective data, that would support such a statement. Its completely made up; actually almost everything indicates that its exactly the other way around.
You cant compare the commercial possibilities of the EPL with the Bundesliga anyway. Both leagues are too different. No league can do what the EPL did. It has little to do with on the pitch performance and is almost exclusively related to other factors.
They didn't really win 5 in a row. Using everything around Calciopoli as an example is a bit weird, because it was clearly a very specific situation, not comparable with regular league seasons.
Because 90% as a number isn't true and there's a signficant difference between two teams dominating a league, which suffocates everyone else and one team dominating. If there's only one team, other teams can benefit from bad seasons and only have to beat one top team if they have great seasons on their own. Two or even three top teams are much more likely to dominate a league for a long spell than one on his own is. Bayern has won only 6 out of the last 10 seasons, but in your opinion that's not an example for a balanced league that allows smaller teams to achieve great things, it's an example for failure from the top team (despite said top team being incredibly successful in Europe). You just select the examples to suit your agenda instead of looking at what's actually happening with an open mind. The fact that you need to call the season where we've won the first CL title in 25 years a downfall, because we won the league that sesaon with less points than you expect from us, shows how insane your selection process for examples is.
It also ignores the original point. None of what you've written explains why in your opinion Dortmund can't grow any further. You've completely twisted the original point and turned it into your usual 'only sugardaddies can save the leagues' argument.
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Yeah, because a league,which rocks europe(could overtake the PL in the UEFA rating this season), calls itself home of the world champions, has so much youth talent in its ranks and has a difference of 11 points between the teams in 2nd and 12th, is really boring to watch.
Yes. Smart point.
You are taking betting tipps to rate a league? WTF...
Why shouldnt Wolfsburg run us close? And that a few English guys rate Wolfsburg(much better squad) like Southampton means nothing.
Matchday 12, 22/11/14 - 23/11/14
How do you get all your offensives in a line-up?
#FCBayern line-up vs. Hoffenheim: Neuer - Alonso, Benatia, Ribéry, Lewandowski, Robben, Rafinha, Boateng, Bernat, Götze, Müller
Neuer
Rafinha - Benatia - Boateng - Bernat
Alonso
Robben - Götze - Ribery
Müller - Lewandowski
Something like this...
Schweinsteiger back on the bench.
#FCBayern line-up vs. Hoffenheim: Neuer - Alonso, Benatia, Ribéry, Lewandowski, Robben, Rafinha, Boateng, Bernat, Götze, Müller
Neuer
Rafinha - Benatia - Boateng - Bernat
Alonso
Robben - Götze - Ribery
Müller - Lewandowski
Something like this...
Schweinsteiger back on the bench.
thats going to be good.Looks fine to me. 
I still can't believe how strong our squad is compared to only 3 years ago.
I still can't believe how strong our squad is compared to only 3 years ago.
Wow, a rare sighting of Alaba in front of a studio camera.
Poor guy has to take all of Blondy's nonsense. Even Beckenbauer seems annoyed with her.
Poor guy has to take all of Blondy's nonsense. Even Beckenbauer seems annoyed with her.
Götze is such an amazing goal threat all of a sudden. It's crazy, brilliant finisher and can score from everywhere on the pitch. Now he even scores screamer from outside the box.
And what happened with Schalke over the international break?
And what happened with Schalke over the international break?
Magnificent goal. Great teamplay.
That front four of Mkhitaryan, Kagawa, Reus and Aubameyang is so fluid. I had no idea that Aubameyang is such a great passer. Having him as a striker is like playing with 4 versatile, quick no.10's with great understanding.
Götze always had an amazing shooting technique, but lacked a little bit in the strength department in his BVB days. He has added a good punch to his shots since joining Bayern and his overall increased goal threat has made him extremely complete as a football player.
We are also doing pretty well in Paderborn. This is not an easy fixture, but so far we are in complete control of the game and finally have some solid chance conversion.
I really feel sorry for Reus, I hope it's not too serious
Dortmund are criminally unlucky this season.
Should have been a red card.
Should have been a red card.
Awful tackle... On the stills it looks like he may have broken it?
Disgusting tackle. Poor guy
Red card every time I look at the scene. No player should ever be allowed to go into a tackle like that. It ends with an injury at least eight of ten times.
feck you Stark, just feck you!
What happened?
Hurray! Bayern have not managed to score from a corner after 100 tries this season. Another record, perhaps?
And now another really delicious goal by Robben.
And now another really delicious goal by Robben.
2 chances conceded, one of them a corner. 2 goals conceded. And Paderborn should have a red card.
Meanwhile, Reus, Hummels, Sokratis, Bender and Sahin are out.
This is looking like a bad movie script by now.
Meanwhile, Reus, Hummels, Sokratis, Bender and Sahin are out.
This is looking like a bad movie script by now.
Grosskreutz' goal should have counted as well in my opinion, ridiculous bad luck.
Now Schweinsteiger got his comeback assist with a beatuiful lob to Rode. Lots of pretty goals today.
Ah yeah, i forgot about that. Ridiculous indeed.
Three minutes extra time.... Are you kidding me???
Seeing Schweini back on the pitch is just awesome.Now Schweinsteiger got his comeback assist with a beatuiful lob to Rode. Lots of pretty goals today.
It´s just not fun anymore.
Has Stark ever refereed a Dortmund game in which he didn't screw you over? Stark is always shit and his arrogance makes it unbearable, but even I noticed that he hates Dortmund.
So another weekend that suggest everyone wants Bayern to win the trophy as soon as possible this year.
It's actually kinda funny how for Bayern it's just enough to show up for the game and beat their opponents by 3-5 goals while Dortmund seems not only to have shit on their feet but the entire pitch they play on seems covered in it.
It's actually kinda funny how for Bayern it's just enough to show up for the game and beat their opponents by 3-5 goals while Dortmund seems not only to have shit on their feet but the entire pitch they play on seems covered in it.
We're also awesome. Some of our goals today were just
He has not refereed us since the scandal game (when Schmelzer was expelled for the "hand ball") vs. Wolfsburg in 2012/2013. Now its the next game of that sort. Yes, we played poorly in the second half, but he robbed us immensively here. And no, pretty much every game with him included at least one questionable scene.
I don't think I ever disliked a German referee as much as Stark. It's that extreme combination of arrogance and incompetence that makes him by far the worst German referee I can think of.
We're also awesome. Some of our goals today were just
True the quality in your team is undeniably pretty outrageous. It's just that for you guys everything seems so easy and for Dortmund it's like they fight like crazy, play their hearts out in almost every game and usually end up looking like complete idiots. Unless Kramer decides to steal them the show. :P
It was beautiful though. It's surprising that Dortmund don't get their act together in defense. I'd argue that cost them way more points than the stupid chliché of not being able to score against teams that defend deep. Stark fecked Dortmund over today, no doubt about that. But the defending for Paderborn's first goal looked was comical again, and as long as the defense is that shaky even against 'weak' opponents, everything will always be a fight. The whole team will always get nervous and not see games out with ease and that costs so much energy over a full season.
Robben was, once again, absolutely unplayable today.
Bayern are taking the piss out of the Bundesliga though. I don't like it.
Bayern are taking the piss out of the Bundesliga though. I don't like it.