Take a look at their treble-winning side, they did amazing business with players like Robben, Ribery, Mandzukic, Dante, Boateng. All of them could've easily been picked up by Premier League clubs.
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Take a look at their treble-winning side, they did amazing business with players like Robben, Ribery, Mandzukic, Dante, Boateng. All of them could've easily been picked up by Premier League clubs.
Lewandowski isn't German, he didn't go to Bayern because they are German but because he and his agents believed this to be the best move for his career. Götze cost nearly €40m, he wasn't cheap at all and I don't see any indication that he would not have joined another top club if Bayern weren't as good.
Their net spend looks so much better compared to PL clubs because they give a feck about youngsters, because they offer their gems play time as early as possible and don't park them in their horrible reserves league until their 21 and then ship them around on loans for some more years.
They even bought Boateng from an English club because apparently City didn't realize his potential or just couldn't be bothered developing him because they'd rather buy someone like Lescott for 30m, because that's how English clubs roll.
Oh I know Bayern are a fantastic club, Ribery was a club record signing tho and Dante / Mandzukic signed cheaply from fellow German club, Boateng being underused at City and fancies a return home, Bayern always in driving seat
I'm not saying Bayern are doing anything wrong or anything, they have faith to sign those players and work them into a world class coaching setup.
I also think it's fair to say that if Bayern and Utd switched leagues over the last decade, our net spend would be lower and theirs would be higher.
I'm not saying Bayern are doing anything wrong or anything, they have faith to sign those players and work them into a world class coaching setup.
I also think it's fair to say that if Bayern and Utd switched leagues over the last decade, our net spend would be lower and theirs would be higher.
Yes, English clubs probably have to pay more. But I don't thin that Bayern would suddenly operate the way United (or other English clubs for that matter) do, just because they switched countries. And again: I don't see any basis for the assumption that Mandzukic and Dante wouldn't have been open to a move abroad if a foreign club the size of Bayern had actually identified their talent.
How were they not in the open market? Everyone could have signed them just like Özil, Khedira, Mertesacker and many others.
Also it's a huge myth that German players don't like to go abroad, I'd argue out of the European top nations only Spanish players come close in terms of willingness to leave their home country. It's a valid point for English and Italian players, but it's simply wrong for German players and it's proven by the long history of German players Bayern lost to foreign clubs, which includes players like Breitner, Rummenigge, Matthäus, Kohler, Brehme, Effenberg, Ballack, Kroos and many more. If I start adding all the German players that didn't play for Bayern, your comment looks even more silly.
yes but they all played for Bayern and moved abroad, you don't play for another top German team if you're moving from Bayern in your prime. You go abroad then. Which kind of proves my point. Bayern is always the next step in ( 99% odd cases ) of a top tier German players career.
I could never see someone like Ozil suiting Bayern, but the only top player I see them missing out on with all the circumstances they usually take advantage of is Reus. The exception to the rule.
Wait, so you changed your opinion from "German players don't like leaving Germany" to "they only like leaving Germany after a stopover in Munich"? Interesting.
Bayern is just another feeder club for the english, spanish and italien top clubs. Huge advantage.
Bayern is not really in the driving seat when it means the biggest German talents. Yes, we get a little share - but as others offer a bigger chance to get first team football earlier...
That is the team of the Champions League final
Neuer - bought for about 30 m EUR (including success related bonus payments) from Schalke
Lahm - born in Munich, came to Bayern with 11 from district club FT Gern
Boateng - City was not keen on keeping him
Dante - 5 million from Gladbach, came internationally very unexperienced
Alaba - came from Austria Wien with 16
Javi Martinez - from Athletico Bilbao, 40 million EUR
Schweinsteiger - from Oberaudorf, came to Bayern with 14 from his local club out of Bayern's mountain region
Robben - Real wanted to get rid of him, Bayern got him for 24m EUR (Real paid 36m EUR 2 years before)
Müller - came to Bayern with 10/11 from club Pähl (50 km from Munich)
Ribery - 25m EUR from Marseille
Mandzukic - 13m EUR From Wolfsburg
Talents from all of Germany - no, just regional ones...
Neuer is the only German player that was picked from another German club, the others that were picked from German clubs were Dante and Mandzukic (who were bought for the bench...)
I do not think that every player in Germany really aims for a move to Bayern (not that Bayern wants everybody). Usually you grow up either loving or hating them.
Neuer was a Bayern hater - until he got a girlfriend from Munich and he got seduced by the Bayern players at the national team.
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With a big part with Bobby Charlton and United
And Schalke-Gladbach just started.
That is the team of the Champions League final
Neuer - bought for about 30 m EUR (including success related bonus payments) from Schalke
Lahm - born in Munich, came to Bayern with 11 from district club FT Gern
Boateng - City was not keen on keeping him
Dante - 5 million from Gladbach, came internationally very unexperienced
Alaba - came from Austria Wien with 16
Javi Martinez - from Athletico Bilbao, 40 million EUR
Schweinsteiger - from Oberaudorf, came to Bayern with 14 from his local club out of Bayern's mountain region
Robben - Real wanted to get rid of him, Bayern got him for 24m EUR (Real paid 36m EUR 2 years before)
Müller - came to Bayern with 10/11 from club Pähl (50 km from Munich)
Ribery - 25m EUR from Marseille
Mandzukic - 13m EUR From Wolfsburg
Talents from all of Germany - no, just regional ones...
Neuer is the only German player that was picked from another German club, the others that were picked from German clubs were Dante and Mandzukic (who were bought for the bench...)
I do not think that every player in Germany really aims for a move to Bayern (not that Bayern wants everybody). Usually you grow up either loving or hating them.
Neuer was a Bayern hater - until he got a girlfriend from Munich and he got seduced by the Bayern players at the national team.
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With a big part with Bobby Charlton and United
And Schalke-Gladbach just started.
Well, for once Götze had a buyout clause so he was always on the open market... there you go.
Why is Schalke all of a sudden consistently getting surprisingly good results 
. I enjoyed laughing at Di Matteo for being shit quite a lot.
. I enjoyed laughing at Di Matteo for being shit quite a lot.Not really an open market when he only wants to join one club
It's like when Van Persie only wanted to join us when he had juventus etc interested in him, wasn't really an open market, Ronaldo to Madrid etc.
Anyway I forgot where I was lol, even the slightest perceived slight to any aspect of German football but there you go
This has been made too big of a deal for what the post was
It's like when Van Persie only wanted to join us when he had juventus etc interested in him, wasn't really an open market, Ronaldo to Madrid etc.
Anyway I forgot where I was lol, even the slightest perceived slight to any aspect of German football but there you go
This has been made too big of a deal for what the post was
Why is Schalke all of a sudden consistently getting surprisingly good results
They park the bus very good...
I hope they do the same against Real and do not try again to play...
It is an open market as the release clause could have used by every club that got an agreement with Götze. I think that is the cause with every transfer - the player chooses who he wants to go to. The only special was that the transfer sum was already known (so the current club did not have a saying). It is somehow a lot like a free transfer despite the money.
Fair enough, I don't think that makes any sense, but if you consider the van Persie transfer one where there wasn't an open market, then it's understandable. 90% of the transfers are that way though. The whole bidding war thing is a bit of a myth, because the player usually decides where he wants to go and only after that clubs agree on the transfer. No club invests days of work in a transfer without knowing that the player wants to come. Götze had offers from all European top clubs, his release clause meant everyone had to pay the same amount to Dortmund, but he chose Bayern. If that's not an open market, then only transfers with 3rd party owners involved are, where the owner of the rights decides and not the players, e.g. Falcao to Monaco.
I'm still not sure what you were trying to say with your first post though, it was just wrong in every possible way. It didn't reflect how the squad was assembled and it was based on clichés that were proven wrong time and again. To finish this, a list of quality German players that went abroad without joining Bayern first:
Schnellinger, Haller, Netzer, Stielike, Bonhof, Schuster, Littbarski, Hässler, Förster, Briegel, Völler, Klinsmann, Möller, Sammer, Bierhoff, Lehmann, Metzelder, Özil, Khedira, Mertesacker and there were many more inbetween. All longterm starters for our nationalteam.
I have this theory that the fact, that Germany barely had any quality players from the late 90's to the late 00's, created that myth between the younger football fans. Ballack stands out, then you have 2nd tier players like Podolski, Frings, Klose, Mertesacker, Lehmann, Metzelder (the players from our own academy excluded of course). Most of them tried their luck at Bayern once, but almost all of them still went abroad at one point, the latter three without joining Bayern. I doubt anyone who's old enough to have watched football in the 80's and early 90's would believe this theory of Germans not wanting to leave the country to be true, because most German footballers actually dreamed about it back then and no one feared the challenge abroad.
The Bundesliga is an open market and if Bayern can't offer a package as great as other European top clubs, German players (or Bundesliga players if you want to include the likes of Diego, Dzeko, Lewandowski) don't fear the challenge somewhere else, never have and most likely never will.
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What makes people think players chose their clubs by such criteria? Those are people who play football for a living, and they have hired agents to look after their personal interest. Some actually are even "football fans", but by no means all of them. What all of them are, is: determined,talented, ambitious - or they would never have attracted a major clubs interest in the first place.
When they reach the age at which major clubs could show interest, they have been "in the business" for a couple of years already and seen "the trade" and one or several major clubs from the inside. I recan that alone can shatter some illusions about "true love", "the working class' club" and other such marketing bollocks.
They know that every transfer decision can be a life changer and make the difference between "world wide superstar" and "also played" at some midtable club.
I don't blame any player for not allowing sentiment influence his decisions. It's cute when that happens (say Großkreutz), but it's anachronistic. Even was 40 yeara ago... Gerd Müller never was a Bayern supporter, neither was Beckenbauer.
a few of the line-ups:
Stuttgart vs Bayern
Bayern: Neuer - Alonso, Dante, Benatia, Lewandowski, Robben, Bernat, Götze, Alaba, Weiser, Schweinsteiger
I don't get it. Again the defensive one with only 3 attackers. I really wonder if Lahm simply replaces Weiser at rightback when he comes back or if we change the formation again once he returns. I'm not sure I like the changes over the winterbreak.
Freiburg vs Dortmund:
Dortmund: Weidenfeller - Piszczek, Subotic, Hummels, Schmelzer - Gündogan, Sahin - Kampl, Kagawa, Reus - Aubameyang
Freiburg: Bürki - Sorg, Torrejon, Krmas, Günter - Frantz, Darida - Klaus, Schmid - Daehlie, Petersen.
That looks close to their best possible formation and definitely a lot of talent on the ball. Mats Möller Daehlie starts for Freiburg.
Wolfsburg vs Hoffenheim:
Wolfsburg: Benaglio - Vieirinha, Naldo, Knoche, Rodriguez - Arnold, Gustavo - Caligiuri, De Bruyne, Schürrle - Dost
Schürrle with his first start for Wolfsburg.
Stuttgart vs Bayern
Bayern: Neuer - Alonso, Dante, Benatia, Lewandowski, Robben, Bernat, Götze, Alaba, Weiser, Schweinsteiger
I don't get it. Again the defensive one with only 3 attackers. I really wonder if Lahm simply replaces Weiser at rightback when he comes back or if we change the formation again once he returns. I'm not sure I like the changes over the winterbreak.
Freiburg vs Dortmund:
Dortmund: Weidenfeller - Piszczek, Subotic, Hummels, Schmelzer - Gündogan, Sahin - Kampl, Kagawa, Reus - Aubameyang
Freiburg: Bürki - Sorg, Torrejon, Krmas, Günter - Frantz, Darida - Klaus, Schmid - Daehlie, Petersen.
That looks close to their best possible formation and definitely a lot of talent on the ball. Mats Möller Daehlie starts for Freiburg.
Wolfsburg vs Hoffenheim:
Wolfsburg: Benaglio - Vieirinha, Naldo, Knoche, Rodriguez - Arnold, Gustavo - Caligiuri, De Bruyne, Schürrle - Dost
Schürrle with his first start for Wolfsburg.
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They should. I expect Schürrle to score his first goal for Wolfsburg today. I wouldn't bet on it though, weird things happen all the team in the Bundesliga.Do you think Wolfsburg will win today? I'm asking for betting purposes
We always win against Stuttgart. 13 games in a row at the moment.I might give it a pass then. Bayern please don't let me down
I have £70 on you so expect that run to end.
Alonso again... that guy needs a break badly. Why not pair Schweinsteiger and Rode for once? Can't be much worse than the 4 or 5 games of near non contribution from Alonso recently.
Stuttgart have a decent defensive record in the last few games, they're just a bit rubbish up front.
Schürrle with his first assist, 1-0 after a few minutes.
Reus scores for Dortmund.
Reus scores for Dortmund.
We're so completely awful at the moment... this is comical.
This is shit, why can't we sub one of Alonso and Schweinsteiger off and play attacking football? Alonso really doesn't deserve to start anyway. Boring as hell, we used to win 5-3 or 6-3 against Stuttgart, those were the days.
Why is Weiser being played?
Nobody knows.
Alonso, again, is a complete non factor. Sluggish, slow to react and no impact at all. Pep HAS to get him off at some point.
Ah.
It's odd that he is when you have Gaudino and Kurt on the bench, that's a lot of young unproven kids in your squad when you consider the quality you have in your squad... do you have a lot of injuries atm?
Ah.
It's odd that he is when you have Gaudino and Kurt on the bench, that's a lot of young unproven kids in your squad when you consider the quality you have in your squad... do you have a lot of injuries atm?
Aye, we do. Lahm, Martinez, Thiago, Rafinha, Ribery. But I still don't see a reason why Weiser gets all this playing time all of a sudden.
The combination of Alaba and Bernat isn't working, either. Neither of them has the influence they had before. Götze is completely lost on the left again and Lewandwoski can't receive a pass because he has 3 defenders on his ass all the time.
agree with that. Schweinsteiger and Alonso arent really complementing each other at the moment.
Anyway. I am not really bothered. Its the right part of the season to play badly
Weiser plays because he is fairly natural in the role of a wingback. Sadly he is just shit.
He's not even shit, at least not much worse than the rest of the team. He just doesn't bring anything consistently useful or surprising.
It's a bit worrying that Pep just refuses to take off Alonso or put him on the bench.
Kind of surprised in that case that he isn't giving one of Gaudino or Kurt a chance then given how highly rated both are. You'd think this would be a perfect time to try a few youngsters and see if they have what it takes.
Karius just got sent off at Mainz and Berlin are now 1-0 up (Karius being their GK).
We have enough midfielders fit though, while our two rightbacks are injured and Weiser happens to be a (fairly average) right wingback.
There must be something in our performances that refutes the theory of relativity because it just shouldn't be physically possible to play this bad with this squad. Some weird quantum mechanical phenomenon must be going on here.
Dortmund in the lead, btw. Reus.
Dortmund in the lead, btw. Reus.
Sounds like your midfielders are struggling as well though!
that shot could have killed someone.ROBBEN!
This guy is unbelievable. If it weren't for him...
Lets hope to god we finally break out of our shells now.
This guy is unbelievable. If it weren't for him...
Lets hope to god we finally break out of our shells now.