Bundesliga, DFB Cup, and other Bundesliga business 2014/2015

Ask @Sly who he thinks has portrayed Germany better this year. Leverkusen or Schalke. Schalke, despite not being better, is a much bigger club if you ask me and has bigger possibilities than Leverkusen. They should be ashamed of the way they've played. 1 gift from the ref and one win against Maribor in 6 games. That's embarassing. By the way, I don't prefer either of the German CL clubs over the others and I don't hate any of them.

As someone who watched all the games between Benfica, Leverkusen, Sporting and Schalke, i'd say without a doubt that Leverkusen represented Germany better. They qualified in a harder group and without being aided by gazprom sponsored russian refs (yes this is my bitterness talking). Leverkusen played in a much harder group. Most of the people would underestimate Monaco but i know their manager very well (was our manager last year) and he is one of the best managers in defensive terms in europe. It's always hard to crack down Leonardo Jardim's defence. With the alibi of having lost James Rodriguez and Falcao, he is playing an even more defensive football. Zenit is obviously a strong team. They invested heavily and although i don't rate AVB, i think they are better than any team from Schalke's group bar Chelsea. In the Champions League i don't rate Benfica at all. They have failed to qualify to the next round in easy groups and this year they made the worst campaign under Jorge Jesus. They have Europa league mentality. This year they are weaker having lost some players and they have invested less due to some financial problems.

Analyzing both Schalke and Leverkusen, i'd say Leverkusen play a more attractive/technical football under Roger Schmidt, have more interesting footballers in potencial terms and are more balanced. Schalke have the benefit of the doubt because their injury record is trully atrocious but it's hard to understand such uninspiring, stoke inspired physical football which they played during most of the campaign. Like i said and mantain, they were the worst team i've seen this year at Alvalade even counting relegation fodder. They were clearly outplayed by us here and in Germany (and we had 10 since the 30th minute) but benefited from a flagrant wrong decision by the ref. Leaving my bias and bitterness aside, they also deserve some praise because they still qualified with all these injuries, were able of achieving a good result at Stamford Bridge (which we didn't), are a more experienced team at the Champions League and will probably do better than we would do in the next round. I was disappointed to see Sporting fail to qualify but it's probably the best for us to go to the Europa League. Yesterday we were missing three crucial players (specially Nani) and our Champions League inexperience clearly showed up.

Sporting is kinda like some German team. We rely mostly on our academy players and it makes me proud to see starting elevens like against Chelsea and Schalke with 70 to 80% of the team being portuguese and from the academy. I prefer this than having my team full of money fuelled mercenaries. We went out with our heads held high and i hope are back in the next year.
 
@Balu and other Bundesliga experts, how big is the chance of Bayern winning away at Augsburg this weekend?

Just noticed they're doing pretty good at the moment but know feck all about them.

Just asking because it's the last game of my accumulator and I'll win over 200€ if they win this. Not so confident now after seeing them in 3rd place. :nervous:
 
@Vato

While Augsburg is a very cohesive, tactically strong and definitely dangerous team, I still think we're going to win. Alonso got a well deserved rest against CSKA, Müller, Lewandowski, Ribery and Robben only played one half. If Guardiola doesn't rest multiple key players and we don't get shocked on the counter early, I can't see us not win this to be honest.

However, I'm more nervous than against Leverkusen.
 
@Balu and other Bundesliga experts, how big is the chance of Bayern winning away at Augsburg this weekend?

Just noticed they're doing pretty good at the moment but know feck all about them.

Just asking because it's the last game of my accumulator and I'll win over 200€ if they win this. Not so confident now after seeing them in 3rd place. :nervous:

Unless Bayern play a weakened 11 or don't put in 100% they should win.
There's a website called "wahretabelle" (true table) that subtracts wrongfully given goals and adds wrongfully disallowed goals and calculates the league standings from how the games should've finished if the ref hadn't messed it up. (A big user base discusses which desicions were right or wrong)
According to that website Augsburg would have 6 points less and would sit in ninth on equal points with tenth. Now obviously that's not how it works but it tells you a bit about their season so far. They've got a good coach and great spirit and they've consistently impressed compared to what was expected of them in recent seasons. Bayern should win though.
 
As someone who watched all the games between Benfica, Leverkusen, Sporting and Schalke, i'd say without a doubt that Leverkusen represented Germany better. They qualified in a harder group and without being aided by gazprom sponsored russian refs (yes this is my bitterness talking). Leverkusen played in a much harder group. ....

Great post! Thanks for the inside. Was happy for Schalke that they reached the next round but that was mainly for my national bias.
They are a shit team most of the times right now. Im with you. But give them winterbreak and some luck and they can put up a good fight.
 
Unless Bayern play a weakened 11 or don't put in 100% they should win.
There's a website called "wahretabelle" (true table) that subtracts wrongfully given goals and adds wrongfully disallowed goals and calculates the league standings from how the games should've finished if the ref hadn't messed it up. (A big user base discusses which desicions were right or wrong)
According to that website Augsburg would have 6 points less and would sit in ninth on equal points with tenth. Now obviously that's not how it works but it tells you a bit about their season so far. They've got a good coach and great spirit and they've consistently impressed compared to what was expected of them in recent seasons. Bayern should win though.


The only question remaining is: Did EssexRob bet on Bayern?
 
@Vato

While Augsburg is a very cohesive, tactically strong and definitely dangerous team, I still think we're going to win. Alonso got a well deserved rest against CSKA, Müller, Lewandowski, Ribery and Robben only played one half. If Guardiola doesn't rest multiple key players and we don't get shocked on the counter early, I can't see us not win this to be honest.

However, I'm more nervous than against Leverkusen.
Unless Bayern play a weakened 11 or don't put in 100% they should win.
There's a website called "wahretabelle" (true table) that subtracts wrongfully given goals and adds wrongfully disallowed goals and calculates the league standings from how the games should've finished if the ref hadn't messed it up. (A big user base discusses which desicions were right or wrong)
According to that website Augsburg would have 6 points less and would sit in ninth on equal points with tenth. Now obviously that's not how it works but it tells you a bit about their season so far. They've got a good coach and great spirit and they've consistently impressed compared to what was expected of them in recent seasons. Bayern should win though.
Cheers, let's hope you guys are right. :)
 
Cheers, let's hope you guys are right. :)
They ended our 53 games long unbeaten run last season by the way, when they beat us 1-0 ;). Maybe you should feel a bit nervous.
 
They ended our 53 games long unbeaten run last season by the way, when they beat us 1-0 ;). Maybe you should feel a bit nervous.
Ffs! You're going to thrash them just for that, right? Right? You never lose ffs, that Catalan bastard is going to screw me over, isn't he? :(
 
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... we fielded Sallahi, Höjbjerg, Weiser, Shaqiri, Pizarro in the line-up and rested players for the second leg against United.

But it did not only end the overall unbeaten streak but our away unbeaten streak (since april 2012) of 32 or 33 matches...
 
Matchday 15, 12/12/14 - 14/12/14
So after highly successful days of European games, the last week of Bundesliga starts today. All 6 German teams made it through the group stages; Bayern, Dortmund, Gladbach finishing top of their group, Schalke, Leverkusen and Wolfsburg finishing second. We're the only league with 4 teams in the CL knockout stages and at the moment would surpass the Premier League in the UEFA 5 year ranking that starts next season. With a bit of luck in the draw on Monday, we might actually pull it off that we can finish the season as strongly as we started it and start the 2015/16 season being placed 2nd only behind Spain.

Back to the Bundesliga, 3 more games from today to next Sunday for all teams and still a lot of potential for drama before we go into the winterbreak. Most clubs give their players 2 weeks off over christmas and new year's eve and start with a trainingscamp in the first week of January. The league returns on Friday, January 30th, with what looks likely to be the game between the top 2 teams: Wolfsburg - Bayern. I'll try to give a short review/predicition about all the teams with the view on the remaining games in 2014.

The league table right now:
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Pos Team                     Pld  W  D  L  GF  GA   GD  Pts
1 Bayern Munich               14 11  3  0  33   3  +30  36
2 VfL Wolfsburg               14  9  2  3  28  13  +15  29
3 FC Augsburg                 14  8  0  6  20  14   +6  24
4 Bayer Leverkusen            14  6  5  3  25  18   +7  23
4 Schalke 04                  14  7  2  5  25  18   +7  23
6 Borussia Mönchengladbach    14  6  5  3  19  12   +7  23
7 Eintracht Frankfurt         14  6  3  5  27  26  + 1  21
8 1899 Hoffenheim             14  5  5  4  21  22   −1  20
9 Hannover 96                 14  6  1  7  14  21   −7  19
10 SC Paderborn 07            14  4  5  5  19  23   −4  17
11 FSV Mainz 05               14  3  7  4  17  20   −3  16
12 1. FC Köln                 14  4  3  7  14  20   −6  15
13 Hamburger SV               14  4  3  7   9  18   −9  15
14 Borussia Dortmund          14  4  2  8  15  21   −6  14
15 Hertha BSC                 14  4  2  8  19  26   −7  14
16 SC Freiburg                14  2  7  5  15  21   −6  13
17 Werder Bremen              14  3  4  7  20  31  −11  13
18 VfB Stuttgart              14  3  3  8  18  31  −13  12

Bayern again with a highly impressive season so far. Interesting enough, while most people would probably agree that Guardiola improved the team from last season, we already can't match our record breaking first half of last season. After 17 games last season, we had 15 wins and 2 draws. We played fantastic football last season around the same time with the beautiful 4141, but injuries and a drop in form from March onwards hurt us, so the big question is: Can we maintain our form throughout the whole year this time?

Wolfsburg made an obvious step forward, but I'm still not convinced that they're as good as their league position suggests. They're also highly dependent on 1 player, more than any other team. If De Bruyne gets injured, they'll fecked. Home games against Paderborn and Cologne should see them going into the winterbreak in 2nd place, inbetween the away game at Dortmund could determine how strong they actually are.

Augsburg are obviously the huge surprise this season, but their remaining 3 games are Bayern (h), Hannover (a) and Gladbach (h). They really have to get results in those games or most likely they'll drop down to 7th or 8th place

Leverkusen, Schalke & Gladbach are so far their usual selves, inconsistent, a mix between great games and feck-ups or in Gladbach's case, a bad run inbetween that cost them a better position. But they did what was expected of them in Europe and managed to stay in contact with the top four, so everything is possible. On Sunday Leverkusen play Gladbach at home, definitely the most interesting game involving those 3 teams in the upcoming 10 days

Frankfurt, Hoffenheim, Hannover, Paderborn, Mainz and Cologne The first three look like solid midtable clubs, the latter three looked like overperforming sides so far. I don't think either of them will challenge for a Europa league spot and with the small gap to the relegation zone, I'd say all of them could still get into trouble, but especially Paderborn, Mainz and Cologne should look down rather than up.

Hamburg simply have too much quality in the squad to get relegated, but they need to find a bit more consistency to make sure that they won't get into trouble. Hamburg made many changes that could see them finally making a positive development from here on. Their next two games are in Freiburg and against Stuttgart, huge games for them to open a gap to the relegation zone and finally bringing some stability into the club to build on over the winter.

Dortmund still confuse the hell out of me. It looks like Klopp put the focus on defensive stability and that seems to be the right decision. Hertha (a), Wolfsburg (h), Bremen (a) are interesting final three games. Everything is possible, from 7 or 9 points and closing the gap to the top four to feck ups against Hertha and Bremen, which could mean they'll stay deep in the relegation fight. So far the goalkeeper decision seems to work, but a bad game from Langerak could turn it into huge drama, so it should be interesting to follow Dortmund this week for many reasons.

Hertha & Freiburg
are somewhat weird teams. I usually like how they play football, but both lack individual quality and they had some awful spells so far this season. Freiburg is probably the unluckiest team in the league this season when it comes to referee decisions, but they caught a bit of a break in recent games. Both have rather difficult games coming up and there's not much of a chance that they'll improve on their position before the winterbreak. Freiburg need to get a result at home against Hamburg tomorrow before they travel to Munich midweek if they want to improve.

Bremen & Stuttgart have actually managed to take over from Hamburg as the worst managed Bundesliga clubs, which certainly wasn't easy to pull off. Both already changed their manager this year, but so far it doesn't look like it's paying off. There's some talent somewhere in the squads of those teams, but overall I'm not sure if it's enough for both to stay up. Both clubs are still struggling with debt through investing in stadium renovation and expected to keep staying in the top half of the league with a regular chance of European football. It's unlikely that they recover anytime soon with the financial situation they're in, which is a shame, after all they are 2 of the 5 different clubs who won the Bundesliga in the last decade. Even if they avoid relegation this season, they won't do anything great in the near future.

The upcoming games this weekend, times in GMT:

Today
19:30 Hoffenheim - Eintracht Frankfurt

Saturday
14:30 Augsburg - Bayern Munich
14:30 Freiburg - Hamburger SV
14:30 Hertha Berlin - Borussia Dortmund
14:30 Schalke 04 - FC Cologne
14:30 Werder Bremen - Hannover 96

17:30 Mainz 05 - VfB Stuttgart

Sunday
14:30 Bayer Leverkusen - Borussia Moenchengladbach
16:30 Wolfsburg - Paderborn
 
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Dortmund still confuse the hell out of me. It looks like Klopp put the focus on defensive stability and that seems to be the right decision. Hertha (a), Wolfsburg (h), Bremen (a) are interesting final three games. Everything is possible, from 7 or 9 points and closing the gap to the top four to feck ups against Hertha and Bremen, which could mean they'll stay deep in the relegation fight. So far the goalkeeper decision seems to work, but a bad game from Langerak could turn it into huge drama, so it should be interesting to follow Dortmund this week for many reasons.
According to "Zeit", Langerak it is until the winter break. "If nothing unpredicted happens, Mitch will play the next three games" said Klopp. "Next year, things start from zero. Roman already started to fight back" - indicating, imo, that Roman didn't do exactly this so far.
 
According to "Zeit", Langerak it is until the winter break. "If nothing unpredicted happens, Mitch will play the next three games" said Klopp. "Next year, things start from zero. Roman already started to fight back" - indicating, imo, that Roman didn't do exactly this so far.
Yeah, I saw that part of Klopp's press conference. Doesn't mean that it can't cause any problems if Langerak struggles. I doubt the media care about what happens during training session if they get the chance to cause trouble.
 
According to "Zeit", Langerak it is until the winter break. "If nothing unpredicted happens, Mitch will play the next three games" said Klopp. "Next year, things start from zero. Roman already started to fight back" - indicating, imo, that Roman didn't do exactly this so far.
Sorry Klopp I'm in Manchester!
 
Yeah, I saw that part of Klopp's press conference. Doesn't mean that it can't cause any problems if Langerak struggles. I doubt the media care about what happens during training session if they get the chance to cause trouble.

Does not mean that will not cause any problems if he does not struggle either. Looks somehow like Weidenfeller is made to be the scapegoat for all the failings of the team - but he is an important factor in the dressing room, too. He and Hummels are told not to be the biggest friends and Hummels is captain now.

Will be interesting how this story goes on...
 
@Balu and other Bundesliga experts, how big is the chance of Bayern winning away at Augsburg this weekend?

Just noticed they're doing pretty good at the moment but know feck all about them.

Just asking because it's the last game of my accumulator and I'll win over 200€ if they win this. Not so confident now after seeing them in 3rd place. :nervous:

Let me start with my prediction: A draw.

There are a couple of reasons why I'm expecting a draw. I'll try to keep it very brief.

- Bayern is way better. Not a single player from Augsburg’s squard could make it into Bayern’s squard.
- Nevertheless, these guys have build up a level of resilience which is pretty unique, especially at home.
- And they can even play some really decent football.
- Actually, their coach seems to be genius. Would be interesting to see him with a better group of players.
 
Sorry people, maybe this point was mentioned before.

Nevertheless, don't you think that the Dortmund-talented-players-shop-for-cash will open right after this season?

Even in a perfect scenario, BVB will only make it to the EL but not to the CL. And that is already assuming that one of Gladbach, Leverkusen, and Wolfsburg fall completely flat during the second half of the season. And don't forget Hoffenheim.

My point is: If Dortmund fails to reach the CL (not to mention the EL) Reuss will leave for sure. There is no doubt from my POV. And then the dominos could start falling: There will be for sure demand for or from Aubameyang (best player in the past 12 months!) and Gundogan (THE biggest talent). Interestingly, I have tried to come up with more young and interesting top-players, but there are none anymore. Apart from Hummels whom I believe that he will stay --- but for how long? What do you think?
 
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Highly entertaining match today between Hoffenheim and Freiburg by the way.
I feel it's increasingly more unlikely that Firmino remains at Hoffenheim, he's quite simply too good to be "wasted" on a club that won't play CL.
 
Sorry people, maybe this point was mentioned before.

Nevertheless, don't you think that the Dortmund-talented-players-shop-for-cash will open right after this season?

Even in a perfect scenario, BVB will only make it to the EL but not to the CL. And that is already assuming that one of Gladbach, Leverkusen, and Wolfsburg fall completely flat during the second half of the season. And don't forget Hoffenheim.

My point is: If Dortmund fails to reach the CL (not to mention the EL) Reuss will leave for sure. There is no doubt from my POV. And then the dominos could start falling: There will be for sure demand for or from Aubameyang (best player in the past 12 months!) and Gundogan (THE biggest talent). Interestingly, I have tried to come up with more young and interesting top-players, but there are none anymore. Apart from Hummels whom I believe that he will stay --- but for how long? What do you think?

Some people like to forget that Dortmund did all those deals this year. They brought 140 million in, are debt free. Add to that Klopps contract till 2018 and the fact that all their big players besides Reus and an injury shaken Gündogan have contracts without clauses till 2017 or later and you will see that they are fine.
Like the much respect Honigstein said; this is the best team Klopp ever had, the top 4 could easily by 7 points away by winter break which is not that much and you still have the CL KO rounds as groupwinners and the cup.
Im sure that Dortmund will be fine next summer. The value of a CL place cant be underestimated, besides all that so. Would be good for German football if they reach 4th/3rd.
 
Bayern line-up: Neuer - Alonso, Benatia, Ribery, Lewandowski, Robben, Rafinha, Boateng, Bernat, Rode, Schweinsteiger

Alonso, Rode and Schweinsteiger? So after weeks with Alonso and 5 attackers, Guardiola switches to 3 DMs and 3 attackers. I thought it would be Rode or Schweinsteiger, not both of them. I'm really excited to see the Alonso - Schweinsteiger combination in midfield and Rode definitely deserves another start, he has been excellent. Really looking forward to the game.

on the bench: Zingerle - Dante, Shaqiri, Götze, Müller, Weiser, Hojbjerg



Dortmund line-up: BVB: Langerak, Subotic, Kehl, Bender, Gündogan, Immobile, Mkhitaryan, Hummels, Aubameyang, Piszczek, Schmelzer

Klopp continues to go with a defensively very strong midfield. Immobile, Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang looks a bit boring in attack though.

on the bench: Weidenfeller, Kagawa, Kuba, Sahin, Ramos, Ginter, Durm
 
Bayern line-up: Neuer - Alonso, Benatia, Ribery, Lewandowski, Robben, Rafinha, Boateng, Bernat, Rode, Schweinsteiger

Alonso, Rode and Schweinsteiger? So after weeks with Alonso and 5 attackers, Guardiola switches to 3 DMs and 3 attackers. I thought it would be Rode or Schweinsteiger, not both of them. I'm really excited to see the Alonso - Schweinsteiger combination in midfield and Rode definitely deserves another start, he has been excellent. Really looking forward to the game.

I think it'll be more like 1 DM and 2 CMs (or, depending on the situation, 2 DMs and 1 CM) with Alonso dropping back to initiate, Rode running around everywhere doing the dirty work and Schweinsteiger as the most offensive part. I can see this work quite well, it's not as, in lack of a better word, one dimensional as the 3 man midfields we've seen over this and last season with Lahm.


Poor Ramos. I'm not ITK but has Immobile really done that well to start again? Has Ramos even started a game yet?
 
I think it'll be more like 1 DM and 2 CMs (or, depending on the situation, 2 DMs and 1 CM) with Alonso dropping back to initiate, Rode running around everywhere doing the dirty work and Schweinsteiger as the most offensive part. I can see this work quite well, it's not as, in lack of a better word, one dimensional as the 3 man midfields we've seen over this and last season with Lahm.
I don't think the 3 man midfields with Lahm were one dimensional, agree with the rest though, I'm not worried at all. It's just a very surprising move from Alonso - Götze in a 442ish formation to what looks like a defensive midfield in a 433. I don't mind if we have a lot more grit in midfield and play more direct down the wings with Ribery and Robben.
 
Yeah, I can't think of a better word. I just thought that a midfield with Schweinsteiger, Lahm and Kroos was "one dimensional" in that the players weren't diverse enough. A guy like Rode that might not be as comfortable on the ball but brings more of a physical presence was sorely missing with Martinez being injured most of the time.

1860... I can foresee a future with nobody alive to remember an actual munich derby. Sad and hilarious at the same time.
 
Is Muller still first choice at Bayern? He seems to be on the bench a lot, or is he coming back from injury?
 
Is Muller still first choice at Bayern? He seems to be on the bench a lot, or is he coming back from injury?

He's started almost all matches this season and is our top scorer (goals + assists) so far in the Bundesliga. Pep has just started resting some players each game for the last 3 or 4 matches.
 
1860... I can foresee a future with nobody alive to remember an actual munich derby. Sad and hilarious at the same time.
I don't care anymore. Imagine how beautiful the Allianz Arena could be if we decorate it in our colours. Red seats, fixed Bayern signs somewhere, you could paint all the concrete. Right now it all feels a bit too 'neutral'.

Is Muller still first choice at Bayern? He seems to be on the bench a lot, or is he coming back from injury?
He started all but 3 games so far this season.
 
He's started almost all matches this season and is our top scorer (goals + assists) so far in the Bundesliga. Pep has just started resting some players each game for the last 3 or 4 matches.
I don't care anymore. Imagine how beautiful the Allianz Arena could be if we decorate it in our colours. Red seats, fixed Bayern signs somewhere, you could paint all the concrete. Right now it all feels a bit too 'neutral'.


He started all but 3 games so far this season.
I see, rotation!
 
Not a big fan of Ribery in this kind of hybrid position yet...
 
What's the point of watching Konferenz if nobody's scoring goals? Boo.
 
It's been a bit too easy to neutralize us for long stretches
 
As good a job as Augsburg is doing, this is pretty dull stuff from us at the moment. Story of the past few weeks, really.