I'm talking more about the league (even though i previously used CL examples). Bayern would not be able to maintain their consistency in the Prem because they would have too many difficult opponents to deal with. Its not hard to do so in the Bundesliga but not quite as easy when you have the likes of Mourinho, Sergio Aguero, Diego Costa, Wayne Rooney and others to deal with multiple times each year.
Bundesliga, DFB Cup, and other Bundesliga business 2014/2015
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I'm talking more about the league (even though i previously used CL examples). Bayern would not be able to maintain their consistency in the Prem because they would have too many difficult opponents to deal with. Its not hard to do so in the Bundesliga but not quite as easy when you have the likes of Mourinho, Sergio Aguero, Diego Costa, Wayne Rooney and others to deal with multiple times each year.
Competition from who exactly ? Who is so terrifying in the PL ?
henrik mkhitaryan is currently peaking at 0 goals in bundesliga and CL. add to that a combined total of 1 assist.
This is crazy with the number of chances he's been getting all season long. The worst efficient player in Europe ?
Its not about "terrifying", its about the fact that there are better teams at the top of the table than in Germany, where one side monopolizes the top of the table each year, most recently by way of buying the best players off its nearest competition. Chelsea, City, Arsenal, and United are significantly better clubs in terms of wealth and resources. Bundesliga is a one horse race, where as the Premier League would be a 3-4 horse race if Bayern were in it. To think Bayern would run away with it is utterly laughable, they wouldn't, in fact there is no guarantee that they would win it.
And he would only have cost £28m if he came to us. Phew.
You underestimate the Bundesliga... I do not see a lot easy matches for Bayern. Even if the results look like it a lot were hard work.But I have seen a lot very easy matches for the EPL giants...
And leading the leagues is about consistently doing things - not about the matches against each other. And if Bayern is concentrated they are superior to all of the EPL top teams in the duels.
They only appear as such because they are running away with their own league in the absence of any real competition. As I said earlier, put them into a league with competition and where they can't take any players off their nearest rivals, and there will be competition.
here's a cookie for each one of our regular bayern worshippers. just don't put it too far away from the couch, or all that jizz of yours will go to waste.
Do you also ignore Bayern's consistency in the CL in the last few years? Also Bayern didn't have any Dortmund players when Dortmund reached the CL finale and was still far behind Bayern in the league.
I really don't get why you think Bayern couldn't dominate the EPL while a club like ManCity already managed to do so. It's the same kind of weird argument english users often use against La Liga despite its dominance in european competitions and clubs like Atletico, Valenica, Villarreal and so on being able to have great runs in the CL.
I mean it is kinda obvious that there would be more competition for Bayern in the EPL if you just drop em in there but you could make the same argument the other way around. How often would Chelsea or ManCity have been able to win the league if they would have been in La Liga or the Bundesliga with "giants" like Real, Barca and Bayern as competition?
Those clubs in the last years were simply a league above everyone else and thus all those league arguments are stupid because in the end it's not really about any individual leagues and it's actually kind of annoying to read such comments if you look at the performances of english clubs in the last few years (the biggest success was a CL title by Chelsea which had really all the luck in the world and played ugly football despite all the resources they have).
Man City has hardly dominated the league during its 2 title wins...
Only City and Chelsea could be difficult opponents for Bayern, the rest of the league would get comfortably beaten both home and away if Bayern really played as well as they can. You're talking about us and Arsenal but we are average teams in comparison to Bayern. They would be clear favorites to win the league but wouldn't do it with so much ease as in Germany because there are other challenging teams. The rest of the league is a joke tbh.
it's not about who is currently stronger amongst Bayern, City, United and Chelsea. that's just lazy. it's about whether top domestic talents would still be concentrated in one single club if there were several rich clubs competing for them. Bayern would never be able to do to United or City what they did to Dortmund or Leverkusen, not a chance. also, they would never be able to raid other (lesser) clubs without at least one of their rivals interfering.
The idea that Bayern would dominate this league is laughable.
Maybe Bayern wouldn't dominate, but imagine Basel in the Premier League, now that's an interesting thought. They would really rock the league, probably win it with ease.
here's a cookie for each one of our regular bayern worshippers. just don't put it too far away from the couch, or all that jizz of yours will go to waste.
Mkhitaryan was good last season though wasn't he? He's bad currently but he's not a bad player.
Let's be honest, looking at Bayern's squad they would comfortably walk the PL if they were in it.
How much domestic talents are at Bayern?
Lahm, Müller, Badstuber and Schweinsteiger come out of Munich or the region - came to Bayern with 10 to 14.
So it is just Boateng and Neuer. 2 players we are talking about. Boateng by far did not have the standing he has today when Bayern got him - he was a failure at City at that time.
Götze just came - and was not the key to the success.
The other key players... - Robben who was not wanted anymore by Real and who always was injured, Ribery who at the time when Bayern bought him was not hunted by the big clubs (we would not have gotten him at that time).
Bayern does not get everybody. We wanted Lars Bender - no chance. Reus in 2012 - no chance. Wanted Hummels back - no chance.
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but they were key to succes of your rival(s) and you just took them the way United take players from clubs like Aston Villa. there's a good chance it will happen with Reus too. you don't seem to have any serious rival club in bundesliga. they can't keep their players and they also can't replace them when you buy them. even when they were the most dominant club in the county, United could only dream about taking Henry and Vieira from Arsenal, Lampard and Terry from Chelsea or Gerrard and Alonso from Liverpool, regardless of their league position.
Bayern would go unbeaten in the PL easily, with the space in the PL, the likes of Robben, Ribery, Muller would have a field day every single week.
They wouldn't
They obviously would, Bayern is a class above literally every team in the PL, if I see Chelsea's dominance this season, I can't even imagine what Bayern would do. They have like 9 world class players in their starting line-up, an amazing squad, one of the best coaches in the world, play brilliant football and are disciplined, same goes for Real.
They're a great team no doubt, but unbeaten in a whole season, nope! They already lost to City, lost to Arsenal last season (or season before), they're not unbeatable.
On top of that sometimes they can be off, they were woeful at the back over the weekend (or was it during the week) and should have probably dropped points/lost vs Mainz
In the history of the EPL its only happened once, I don't believe it will happen again any time soon tbh.
Fair shout, probably being unreasonable, but so far, all those loses have been when they had nothing to lose. They were through to the next round already, and missed half their team vs City (played Rode, Hojberg in midfield), and vs Arsenal they lost because of a goal that never had to count and were as good to through to the next round. Every first match against City and Arsenal, they just destroyed them actually, dominated the match, created loads and just did all what they wanted, showed that they were a class above.
Ofcourse teams have slips, but even if they'd get beaten one or twice, I reckon they'd just dominate the league.
That's all just a really artifical way to argue because Bayern would also have access to a lot more TV money in England, better access to sponsors or investors in general etc.
Being in the Bundesliga doesn't have just advantages for Bayern and certainly doesn't make international success easier. You also seem to ignore that Arsenal was raided plenty of times by its national rivals and that without the sugar daddies of Chelsea/ManCity it's very, very likely that the EPL would have a similar situation as the Bundesliga or La Liga.
While I do think Bayern would walk the league I'd like to defend Arsenal here. Bayern might have beaten us 2-0 at the Emirates last season but they didn't ''destroy'' us. We actually really surprised them with the way we started the game and the whole tie could have been different if Ozil had scored that penalty. They only dominated the match once Szczesny was sent off.
Bayern would not dominate the Premier League because they would have far more competition than they have in Bundesliga. Its not rocket science. I'm not from NASA.
Also, not sure why their CL performance is being raised here. They've won a grand total of one recently and managed to lose one on their home ground to........... (wait for it).......... a Premier League side.
If Bayern were in the Premier League they would be in a battle with Chelsea and City right now, with United not far behind. Have a look at the Premier League table - Chelsea have only lost once, so it would be mathematically ludicrous for Bayern to be running away with it.
Arsenal, who struggle big time in the PL? Came second in their CL group behind the team that finished 17th after the first half of the Bundesliga?
United which defense is all over the place and really played average this season overall? City which stumbled through their CL group(again)?
No, sorry. The PL is a top league but better names doesnt create cleary better top teams.
Really? You go there? Ok.
We lost in Manchester, first of all. And we ruled City, the best team talentwise in England, the PL champion with 10! men for over 60 minutes. Then fatigue came into play.
Till then everyone praised us for our domination.
And that was a team without Javi, Lahm, Alaba, Thiago, Badstuber, a just returned Schweinsteiger who played 9 minutes, Götze and some others.
That game proves more that we are a level above any PL club then otherwise.
Bayern have had uber-Teams in the past that should have won the lague by 10 points or more. They rarely didn't because they couldn't be arsed playing well against some underdog on a cold November afternoon (and i've sat and watched them do that quite a bit).
This is the main difference to todays team, who does exactly that. They have brought their hunger for wins to a new dimension.
Thing is, neither City nor Chelsea do it any other way. They also bagged 39 points in 16/17 games, against arguably more competitive mid- and lower table teams. Highly doubt Bayern would run away in the EPL, neither would Real. Not much between those four teams.
Bayern has the better team but they won't run away with in the PL, atleast not twice in a row.
I think the point is more that they wouldn't have been able to build their current team as easily in the PL. The equivalents of Gotze and Lewandowski would still be at their rival teams as well as stiffer competition for some other players and young prospects. With this current squad I think they would definitely win the PL although it would be closer overall.
this is not the thread on how well bayern would fare in the PL. please stop. STAHP!
Why would we buy the equivalents of Götze and Lewandowski and not just, you know, Götze and Lewandowski? As far as I know, it's not forbidden for English clubs to buy players from the Bundesliga.
The whole discussion is rather absurd, because we won the treble and set the points record in the Bundesliga without signing any player from Dortmund, so the argument we couldn't build an equally great team in a different league makes zero sense. The success at the moment is built on brilliant work in the youth academy and smart signings along with great tactics from the managers, it's not built on weakening our rivals.
Obviously we couldn't win the Premier League with a comparable gap to the 2nd team as we have now, if the best team in the Premier League finishes the season with significantly more points than the 2nd best in the Bundesliga. That's common sense, doesn't mean that we wouldn't be capable of winning the league title relatively easy though. After all, it's an incredibly strong team and surely that's what's most important.
Bayern have conceded only 4 goals in the league so far this season, that would never happen in the PL, they conceded 3 in one match against City
Not in the one that actually meant something.
But although of course Bayern would be challenging for the title, they would not find it so easy, take Leverkusen and Schalke both "close" challengers to Bayern, Leverkusen lose 5-0 at home to United last season, I repeat last season!! Schalke lose 5-0 at home to Chelsea this season, you would rarely see those sort of results in the PL even if the top team was playing the bottom team away -never mind against supposed CL qualifying clubs
Chelsea beat Arsenal 6-0 last season in the league for example. There have been countless ridiculous results between top teams in the Premier League in recent years. It's fascinating how many English football fans completely ignore reality and buy into all the stupid clichés about the amazing superiority of the Premier League.
Actually you see plenty of high scoring results and it's not against bottom teams. In the recent past you can see a Manchester City 6 Arsenal 3; Manchester United 8 Arsenal 2; Everton 3 Chelsea 6; Southampton 8 Sunderland 0; West Brom 5 Manchester United 5; Liverpool 5 Arsenal 1; Manchester United 1 Manchester City 6 (sry for this one my United supporter friends
) Things aren´t as linear.