Bundesliga, DFB Cup, and other Bundesliga business 2014/2015

@Blackwidow

They finished 2nd by a 7 point margin last season and are doing very well in Europe. That easily makes them the second best team on paper, imo. Also, Dortmund is more about the collective than certain individuals. And they have greater squad depth than ever.
 
@Blackwidow

They finished 2nd by a 7 point margin last season and are doing very well in Europe. That easily makes them the second best team on paper, imo. Also, Dortmund is more about the collective than certain individuals. And they have greater squad depth than ever.

Even if I combine the whole of last season with this season - more than a season, Wolfsburg is ahead - and Dortmund is only a win ahead of Schalke + Leverkusen and another win on Gladbach.

Bayern München 117
VfL Wolfsburg 83
Borussia Dortmund 81
FC Schalke 04 78
Bayer 04 Leverkusen 78
Bor. Mönchengladbach 75
1. FSV Mainz 05 68
FC Augsburg 67
Hannover 96 61
TSG Hoffenheim 61
Hertha BSC 52
Werder Bremen 49
Eintracht Frankfurt 48
SC Freiburg 47
VfB Stuttgart 41
Hamburger SV 36

But the trend of the last 34 matchdays - what is a full season (that means a lot because of systems and tactics) even shows them on no. 8.

Yesterday I have read so often that now they overcame their crisis... Yes, they are no relegation candidates but they haven't performed like a no. 2 in the last 12 months - not even when you take the first 11 matchdays of this season away.
 
Even if I combine the whole of last season with this season - more than a season, Wolfsburg is ahead - and Dortmund is only a win ahead of Schalke + Leverkusen and another win on Gladbach.

Bayern München 117
VfL Wolfsburg 83
Borussia Dortmund 81
FC Schalke 04 78
Bayer 04 Leverkusen 78
Bor. Mönchengladbach 75
1. FSV Mainz 05 68
FC Augsburg 67
Hannover 96 61
TSG Hoffenheim 61
Hertha BSC 52
Werder Bremen 49
Eintracht Frankfurt 48
SC Freiburg 47
VfB Stuttgart 41
Hamburger SV 36

But the trend of the last 34 matchdays - what is a full season (that means a lot because of systems and tactics) even shows them on no. 8.

Yesterday I have read so often that now they overcame their crisis... Yes, they are no relegation candidates but they haven't performed like a no. 2 in the last 12 months - not even when you take the first 11 matchdays of this season away.

Where exactly do these numbers say anything about Dortmund's performances until their recent crisis though? You're only taking their last season combined with their current nightmare start to the season into account instead of looking exclusively at what should be considered their usual level.

They were the second best team in the second half of last season with 12 wins, 3 ties, and 2 losses though. They got 9 points more than Wolfsburg in that half of the season. The only reason Wolfsburg is ahead in your list by two points currently is because Dortmund are somehow in the relegation zone this season after 11 games. If anything the fact that Dortmund is only two points behind 2nd in your list despite getting only 10 points out of the first 11 games of this season only underlines how much they were ahead of the other teams in the league bar Bayern.
 
You try to take the best parts of the last seasons for Dortmund and declare that as their status - but it ain't. It is all times combined.

You want to ignore the bad runs of Dortmund that they had last season between matchday 11 and matchday 17 - and this season from 1 to 11. But please - from the others we only take the times in which they were performing worse than Dortmund...

Yes, then Dortmund is the second best team...

On the last full 34 matchdays - that includes bad and good times - a full calendar year - they are 7th or 8th in the Bundesliga. And even if you ignore the first matches - and I do not know why we should as we do not ignore bad phases of other teams - they are on level and not ahead of others.

If anything the fact that Dortmund is only two points behind 2nd in your list despite getting only 10 points out of the first 11 games of this season only underlines how much they were ahead of the other teams in the league bar Bayern.

That does not underline anything. That just tells you that they had the easier teams at the beginning last season. A time that is more than a year ago...
 
Jonathan Tah :drool: He's too good for the 2nd Bundesliga. Amazing game again from him again today. 1860 lose again.

He was linked heavily with United but decided to sign a new contract with Hamburg. Good talent?
 
Are they the second best team in the league? Apart from Socrates and Reus there is no player I would put in a top 3 of their position in the Bundesliga without Bayern players right now.

And their results in the league since a year - not just this season - do not give them a clear second spot.

That are the results of the last 34 matchdays - from matchday 11 in 2013/14 to matchday 11 in 2014/15...
I think a full season is enough to judge the current state more than just 11 matchdays of this season...

Bayern München 88
VfL Wolfsburg 65
FC Schalke 04 61
Bor. Mönchengladbach 56
1. FSV Mainz 05 55
FC Augsburg 54
Bayer 04 Leverkusen 53
Borussia Dortmund 53
Hannover 96 48
TSG Hoffenheim 48
SC Freiburg 39
Eintracht Frankfurt 38
Hertha BSC 37
Werder Bremen 34
VfB Stuttgart 28
Hamburger SV 24
1. FC Nürnberg 19
Eintracht Braunschweig 18
1. FC Köln (N) 15
SC Paderborn 07 15

Even if you take the bad start away. They have been on level with Wolfsburg in the 23 matchdays of the last season - and Schalke who had a bad start, too, and is only 4 points ahead, is a clear second in that period four points ahead of Dortmund. If I take the trend of the last 12 months Wolfsburg is without doubt the second best team in Germany.

Socrates?
 
Much like the PL the title's destination already feels like a forgone conclusion but the race for the CL spots is going to be interesting, Dortmund have a lot of work to do and Wolfsburg, Munchengladbach and Hoffenheim have started really strongly, plus I wouldn't write off Leverkusen for a top 4 finish.

The € 10M for Bernat have been a major steal, he's already the third best left back in the Bundesliga behind Alaba and Ricardo Rodriguez. Having both Alaba and Bernat on the team is quite unreal, considering how many teams struggle to find decent solutions on the position.

I've been really impressed with Bernat each time I've seen him, he looks so effortless on the ball and covers a lot of ground without ever looking hassled. Did Valencia sell him so cheap because he was in the last year of his contract? If I was Del Bosque I'd have him ahead of Alba in the national team.
 
You try to take the best parts of the last seasons for Dortmund and declare that as their status - but it ain't. It is all times combined.

You want to ignore the bad runs of Dortmund that they had last season between matchday 11 and matchday 17 - and this season from 1 to 11. But please - from the others we only take the times in which they were performing worse than Dortmund...

Yes, then Dortmund is the second best team...

On the last full 34 matchdays - that includes bad and good times - a full calendar year - they are 7th or 8th in the Bundesliga. And even if you ignore the first matches - and I do not know why we should as we do not ignore bad phases of other teams - they are on level and not ahead of others.



That does not underline anything. That just tells you that they had the easier teams at the beginning last season. A time that is more than a year ago...

I don't even know what you're trying to prove :wenger:
Yes, Dortmund are a midtable team, finally we all understand! The current crisis is a freak occurrence on top of that you cut off the 11 match days from last season where Dortmund got 28 out of 33 possible points. If you want to paint a certain picture that's great but I don't think anyone really doubts that Dortmund are the second best club/team in Germany.
 
:lol:

She really doesn't like Klopp and Dortmund, not at all.
 
You try to take the best parts of the last seasons for Dortmund and declare that as their status - but it ain't. It is all times combined.

You want to ignore the bad runs of Dortmund that they had last season between matchday 11 and matchday 17 - and this season from 1 to 11. But please - from the others we only take the times in which they were performing worse than Dortmund...

Yes, then Dortmund is the second best team...

On the last full 34 matchdays - that includes bad and good times - a full calendar year - they are 7th or 8th in the Bundesliga. And even if you ignore the first matches - and I do not know why we should as we do not ignore bad phases of other teams - they are on level and not ahead of others.



That does not underline anything. That just tells you that they had the easier teams at the beginning last season. A time that is more than a year ago...


You try everything to downgrade BVB, no? :lol:

They had massive massive massive injury problems last season and STILL finished 2nd comfortably. They really had to reactivate an average retired player just 2 or 3 days before they played Bayern, and he even had to start the game. :lol: If anything, then it was impressive.
 
Are they the second best team in the league? Apart from Socrates and Reus there is no player I would put in a top 3 of their position in the Bundesliga without Bayern players right now.

And their results in the league since a year - not just this season - do not give them a clear second spot.

That are the results of the last 34 matchdays - from matchday 11 in 2013/14 to matchday 11 in 2014/15...
I think a full season is enough to judge the current state more than just 11 matchdays of this season...

Bayern München 88
VfL Wolfsburg 65
...

Even if you take the bad start away. They have been on level with Wolfsburg in the 23 matchdays of the last season - and Schalke who had a bad start, too, and is only 4 points ahead, is a clear second in that period four points ahead of Dortmund. If I take the trend of the last 12 months Wolfsburg is without doubt the second best team in Germany.

Nothing against a bit Dortmund hate ;) , but they have a great team. With all their injuries this and last year you can explain their weak point taking in the Bundesliga.
What they did and do in the CL, cup and even the league(they were 2nd last year and just had a crazy bad run where bad luck played a big role the last games) shows that they are a top 8 team in europe.
Their best 11 has it all, they allowed Gladbach 1 or none shot on goal that last game and their best defense is one of the best around imo.
Wolfsburg is doing a great job and they have some fine players plus Kevin who is world class but Dortmund is still better.
I wouldnt be surprised if they reach the CL semis, beating one great team. I would be shocked if Wolfsburg would do that(hypothetical speaking).
 
problems last season and STILL finished 2nd comfortably. They really had to reactivate an average retired player just 2 or 3 days before they played Bayern, and he even had to start the game. :lol: If anything, then it was impressive.
May i quote the "sky" commentator from last sunday: "Bench: Gündogan, Ginter, Immobile, Großkreutz, Ramos, Schmelzer - they all would be starters at 16 Bundesliga clubs"
 
May i quote the "sky" commentator from last sunday: "Bench: Gündogan, Ginter, Immobile, Großkreutz, Ramos, Schmelzer - they all would be starters at 16 Bundesliga clubs"
Quite a few of them wouldn't. I'm also not sure if a game, they won against Gladbach, is a good example against Dortmund being the 2nd best team in Germany.
 
He was linked heavily with United but decided to sign a new contract with Hamburg. Good talent?

I rate him very highly and I'm pretty sure he'll be a starter in the National team in the future. He has it all: He's tall, strong, fast, a good passer and he's very composed on the ball. I've watched quite a few Fortuna matches this season and he always stands out. After the game yesterday their manager even stated that Tah is too good for the 2nd Bundesliga without even being asked about him.
He has a release clause in his new contract which will probably be activated in a few years.
 
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You try everything to downgrade BVB, no? :lol:

They had massive massive massive injury problems last season and STILL finished 2nd comfortably. They really had to reactivate an average retired player just 2 or 3 days before they played Bayern, and he even had to start the game. :lol: If anything, then it was impressive.

Have you seen Schalke's massive massive injury problems last season and the players they brought in where real youngsters - they outperformed Dortmund...

The question should be why there is so much injuries?

:lol:

She really doesn't like Klopp and Dortmund, not at all.

It is not really that. It is the media that goes on my nerves and people that buy it. They want that second team badly - but right now it looks that times are changing. Dortmund ain't the Dortmund it has been two years ago and the others came near and even overtook them. It does not really show respect for the developments and performances of the other teams either. You can tell a lot about potentials - but football is not about potentials but about a combination of a lot of things - and the performance of Dortmund for the whole recent season has not been that of the second best team in Germany.

Why? There is a lot reasons for that. But the ones that pin everything on the injuries (you have to ask yourself why that should get any better soon as it really seems to be playing style related and maybe has to do with not to much recovery times after injuries) might not see the whole picture.

The situation how it stands is that in the recent two years the gap between Bayern and Dortmund got bigger and bigger - whereas there is no gap between Dortmund and the ones that follow then anymore. Mönchengladbach - even if they had a bad direct match (the matches before went to Gladbach) - get better and better. Wolfsburg are a real force since Gustavo and deBruyne settled. Schalke could be if they get out of the injuries and start to get rid of whatever.
 
I rate him very highly and I'm pretty sure he'll be a starter in the National team in the future. He has it all: He's tall, strong, fast, a good passer and he's very composed on the ball. I've watched quite a few Fortuna matches this season and he always stands out. After the game yesterday their manager even stated that Tah is too good for the 2nd Bundesliga without even being asked about him.
He has a release clause in his new contract which will probably be activated in a few years.

Cheers, thanks a lot!
 
Have you seen Schalke's massive massive injury problems last season and the players they brought in where real youngsters - they outperformed Dortmund...

Funny, last time I checked:
Last seaon:
DFBP: Dortmund final, Schalke out in December.
CL: Dortmund out in QF, 2:3 on aggregate against Real; Schalke out in ro16, 2:9 on aggregate against Real.
Buli: Dortmund 7 Points ahead of Schalke.

This season:
DFBP:Schalke out in round 1 against a 3rd div team, Dortmund still in it
CL: Dortmund top of the group pretty much sealed, best score after 4 games in the history of the competition, Schalke in serious Danger of going out, despite that last minute penalty vs Sporting
Buli: Schalke 4 points ahead of Dortmund


It is not really that. It is the media that goes on my nerves and people that buy it. They want that second team badly - but right now it looks that times are changing. Dortmund ain't the Dortmund it has been two years ago and the others came near and even overtook them. It does not really show respect for the developments and performances of the other teams either. You can tell a lot about potentials - but football is not about potentials but about a combination of a lot of things - and the performance of Dortmund for the whole recent season has not been that of the second best team in Germany.

Why? There is a lot reasons for that. But the ones that pin everything on the injuries (you have to ask yourself why that should get any better soon as it really seems to be playing style related and maybe has to do with not to much recovery times after injuries) might not see the whole picture.

The situation how it stands is that in the recent two years the gap between Bayern and Dortmund got bigger and bigger - whereas there is no gap between Dortmund and the ones that follow then anymore. Mönchengladbach - even if they had a bad direct match (the matches before went to Gladbach) - get better and better. Wolfsburg are a real force since Gustavo and deBruyne settled. Schalke could be if they get out of the injuries and start to get rid of whatever.

Dortmund looked more mature than ever in the CL. It was more than obvious that Dortmund's problems were caused by their injuries. Their performance immediately improved a lot once the first wave of players came back. Lets see how Gladbach and Wolfsburg do when they have 6 midfielders injured. A long term injury to de Bruyne would probably already be enough to cripple Wolfsburg.
Gladbach were the second best team thus far in this season, now look what Dortmund did to them last sunday, even if they didn't score they were a class apart.

Honestly its fecking amazing how you can say that there is no gap because Dortmund without their midfield have a bad start and other teams with barely any crucial injuries have a good one. Even most of the media isn't that short sighted.
 
It is not really that. It is the media that goes on my nerves and people that buy it.
Well, it isn't any better to go just as extreme into the other direction. Dortmund is clearly still a better team than Wolfsburg, Gladbach, Schalke, Leverkusen. They performed way below their potential in the league for 10 games, that's it. They finished 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd in the past four years, won the cup two years ago and since then only lost to Bayern in the competition and are easily the 2nd best German team in Europe, constantly showing that they're good enough to beat anyone in the world. You came up with an incredible selective way to belittle Dortmund's quality.
 
Well, it isn't any better to go just as extreme into the other direction. Dortmund is clearly still a better team than Wolfsburg, Gladbach, Schalke, Leverkusen. They performed way below their potential in the league for 10 games, that's it. They finished 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd in the past four years, won the cup two years ago and since then only lost to Bayern in the competition and are easily the 2nd best German team in Europe, constantly showing that they're good enough to beat anyone in the world. You came up with an incredible selective way to belittle Dortmund's quality.

Is it a selective way to take the league results of 34 matchdays?

We are not looking at 2 or 3 years ago but only to a full last.

If I would only take the last 10 matches I would talk about a relegation team...

Wolfsburg is 12 points ahead of them in that 34 match days. Yes, Dortmund is now 13 points behind - but not all of their losses in the recent weeks have been bad luck... - and you have to see the trend.

And Schalke even had more injury problems than Dortmund had - no good start to this season either. A lot of their reserves being players that are still eligible for the U19s whereas Dortmund's bench had players with much more experience.

Dortmund are underperforming now - but two seasons before they were overperforming.

Right now they have a system that is not really working so good in the league.They had less goals from open play than Gladbach or Wolfsburg had the recent full season - so there is a problem when they cannot counter and do not finish set-pieces.

I am fully aware that the system Dortmund is playing is still very successful over some matches in Europe.
 
You try to take the best parts of the last seasons for Dortmund and declare that as their status - but it ain't. It is all times combined.

You want to ignore the bad runs of Dortmund that they had last season between matchday 11 and matchday 17 - and this season from 1 to 11. But please - from the others we only take the times in which they were performing worse than Dortmund...

Yes, then Dortmund is the second best team...

On the last full 34 matchdays - that includes bad and good times - a full calendar year - they are 7th or 8th in the Bundesliga. And even if you ignore the first matches - and I do not know why we should as we do not ignore bad phases of other teams - they are on level and not ahead of others.



That does not underline anything. That just tells you that they had the easier teams at the beginning last season. A time that is more than a year ago...

I'm not trying to take anything out aside of the start to this current season. Surely you'll have to admit that them being bottom of the league for a day 11 games into the season is a freak situation and doesn't reflect their actual strength. I took the second half of last season simply because you said "they are no relegation candidates but they haven't performed like a no. 2 in the last 12 months - not even when you take the first 11 matchdays of this season away."
But then you never took away those first 11 matchdays of this season. Over the whole of last season Dortmund was ahead of Wolfsburg by quite a bit. Over the first 17 matchdays of last season Dortmund were ahead of Wolfsburg by two points I believe. Over the second 17 matchdays they collected another 9 points more than Wolfsburg despite their incredible injuries.
Add to that the fact that Wolfsburg did nothing in Europe last season whereas Dortmund could've made the CL semis again had Mkhitaryan not fecked up countless chances in that return leg against Real. They didn't and Real deservedly won the CL that season, but Dortmund reaching the CL quarters is still miles better than anything the other Bundesliga teams did aside of Bayern. Dortmund also reached the cup final. This season they're dominating their CL group while Wolfsburg lost 4-0 to Everton, and Schalke lost to Sporting over two games. Out of the German top clubs Schalke is clearly the worst at the moment, they're playing horrible football and don't look anything like making the CL this season if they don't drastically improve in the next weeks (that said they're missing a lot of players too). Dortmund's performances haven't actually been thaaat horrible either. Yes, some losses were deserved but some were clearly down to them not converting their chances and then creating major feck ups at the back.

There is really not much room to debate, on normal form Dortmund are clearly the second best team in Germany. They're also the second best team when it comes to which team has the best squad, and national or international reputation.
Things may look different at the end of this season but Wolfsburg will have to keep up their run for a long time and actually go deep in the Europa League as well before people will start to consider them the second best team in Germany or even level with Dortmund.
 
That "Dortmund's football ain't working in Bundesliga" stuff is utter nonsense. In the second half of 13/14, where they weren't severly held back by injuries they achieved 39 points (until Bayern's treble season 80 points were the record for a whole season) and it might even have been a couple of points on top of that if the title race wasn't decided so early.
 
Blackwidow spouting bollocks as usual.

If you do not have anything intelligent to say... Nice way of communication.

@Lycricist

That is your way to see it. Mine tells me that there is already a couple of teams that are fighting to be no. 2 behind Bayern - and Dortmund is currently not ahead. And I think it is fair not to take only this season but take a full year.

And it just is a lot more than the injury crisis or bad luck what is the reason for their problems in the league. But let's just wait and see.
 
Shh on any De Bruyne injuries. He's on pace to break single season assist record in the Bundesliga.

Dortmund has dug quite a big to crawl out of so we'll see if they can pull back to a CL spot.
 
Right now they have a system that is not really working so good in the league.They had less goals from open play than Gladbach or Wolfsburg had the recent full season - so there is a problem when they cannot counter and do not finish set-pieces.

This is the perfect example of haveing a selective view like Balu mentioned. To suit your agenda you change the definition of open play. Open play is every situation or chance created from the running game flow, so in short every chance outside set pieces. Counter or transition situations are obviously part of that, especially if you can create them even against deeper lying teams and with more possession like we did against Gladbach on Sunday.

In terms of created chances, we were the second most successful Bundesliga team in the last season, with and without set pieces. In terms of scored goals from open play, we were third place one goal behind Hoffenheim with their near suicidal play style. We scored nine goals more than Wolfsburg from open play and around half a dozen more than Gladbach. These are the facts. I even wrote them down a couple of weeks ago in this very thread as response to one of your posts. This post was of course never answered by you and instead you continued spouting wrong facts about Dortmund.

We get it. You don´t like, maybe even despise Borussia Dortmund and Jürgen Klopp. Fair play. You have the right to do so like everybody else. But when the obvious antipathy leads you to bend or even break facts to an extend, that not only neutrals but even Bayern supporter call you out on it, then you are in serious danger of not been taken seriously anymore in that matter.

I´m honestly already at this point.

Nobody will argue against you that Borussia Dortmund is in terms of league form not the current number two in Germany. However, the strength of a club or team is not measured over ten play days. Teams can get into slumps and not perform to their usual level because of various reasons. Saying that we overperformed over two seasons is quite frankly nonsense. Football teams don´t perform above their level over such long time spans. In Dortmund´s case it even had to be four years, because that´s the time frame where Dortmund was among the top 2 in Germany. On top of the success on the pitch both domestically and internationally, we underwent a clear growth in financial power, size, popularity, squad strength and reputation, which puts them as the "best of the rest" in the Bundesliga in pretty much every experts´ book.

Judge them at the end of the season. That would be at least slightly more reasonable, but even that would not be that suitable for a full analysis of a club´s strength. Stuttgart or Wolfsburg did not become the top dog of the league by winning it once, neither did Bayern lose that status after one season outside the CL. You need more consistent success or lack of it to really gain or lose a certain status.
 
This is the perfect example of haveing a selective view like Balu mentioned. To suit your agenda you change the definition of open play. Open play is every situation or chance created from the running game flow, so in short every chance outside set pieces. Counter or transition situations are obviously part of that, especially if you can create them even against deeper lying teams and with more possession like we did against Gladbach on Sunday.

In terms of created chances, we were the second most successful Bundesliga team in the last season, with and without set pieces. In terms of scored goals from open play, we were third place one goal behind Hoffenheim with their near suicidal play style. We scored nine goals more than Wolfsburg from open play and around half a dozen more than Gladbach. These are the facts. I even wrote them down a couple of weeks ago in this very thread as response to one of your posts. This post was of course never answered by you and instead you continued spouting wrong facts about Dortmund.

We get it. You don´t like, maybe even despise Borussia Dortmund and Jürgen Klopp. Fair play. You have the right to do so like everybody else. But when the obvious antipathy leads you to bend or even break facts to an extend, that not only neutrals but even Bayern supporter call you out on it, then you are in serious danger of not been taken seriously anymore in that matter.

I´m honestly already at this point.

Nobody will argue against you that Borussia Dortmund is in terms of league form not the current number two in Germany. However, the strength of a club or team is not measured over ten play days. Teams can get into slumps and not perform to their usual level because of various reasons. Saying that we overperformed over two seasons is quite frankly nonsense. Football teams don´t perform above their level over such long time spans. In Dortmund´s case it even had to be four years, because that´s the time frame where Dortmund was among the top 2 in Germany. On top of the success on the pitch both domestically and internationally, we underwent a clear growth in financial power, size, popularity, squad strength and reputation, which puts them as the "best of the rest" in the Bundesliga in pretty much every experts´ book.

Judge them at the end of the season. That would be at least slightly more reasonable, but even that would not be that suitable for a full analysis of a club´s strength. Stuttgart or Wolfsburg did not become the top dog of the league by winning it once, neither did Bayern lose that status after one season outside the CL. You need more consistent success or lack of it to really gain or lose a certain status.

You do not take me seriously because I do not tell you what you want to hear. For you it is more convenient to take a longer period than a year. So take your definition and let me mine - I just explained why I think like this. I took matchday 11 to matchday 11 - not just 10 days. And you do not need to ridicule my view even if it is not yours... I do not call a team a clear number two that in the recent 12 months had 12 points less than a competitor... Dortmund might even have been the no. 1 somewhen 3 or 4 years ago. It has been the clear number 2 two years and one year ago. In November 2014 I do not see it judging the recent months.

Discussion means I tell you my opinion and you tell me yours - we do not have to have the same...

And I take that data after the open play definition from Whoscored - they separate counter attacks - so it is not my interpretation. Schalke, Hoffenheim had 41 goals from open play, Gladbach 39, Dortmund 38, Wolfsburg 37 - absolute numbers. If you take it relative to the scored goals the relation between goals from open play to total goals more goals were scored from Dortmund with set pieces, penalties and counter attacks than from open play.

I did not say you overperformed in all of the four years or even the full two years.

The discussion started because somebody called Dortmund the clear no. 2 - this number 2 status for me right now is not there. But it could change. I told why for me it is not. And that I think that the reason ain't only bad luck and injuries. You tell different.

When I see that the four shooters of Dortmund with the most shots do about half their shots from out of the box - with a success quote of 0% in this department - then it is not only bad luck as shooting from wide range seldom gives you good success rates but it has to do with the style of play, too. Good luck or accurcy will give you 3 or 4 more goals - but that is not the difference between rank 15 and 2.

Just to give you a comparable data - the four players with the most shots from Bayern only did 22% of their shots from outside the box. The success rate of both teams from inside the box is not so different - the total number of shots not either.

In the match against Gladbach 60% of the shots of Dortmund were from out of the box...
 
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It appears Benfica is about to get Mainz goalkeeper Karius. If he a good purchase @Balu? They bought Brazil´s Júlio César but things aren't going that great.
 
It appears Benfica is about to get Mainz goalkeeper Karius. If he a good purchase @Balu? They bought Brazil´s Júlio César but things aren't going that great.
He had a fantastic game recently against Leverkusen and looked pretty good whenever I've seen him this year. We have a Mainz fan on the Caf, maybe @ctp can tell you more about him.
 
He had a fantastic game recently against Leverkusen and looked pretty good whenever I've seen him this year. We have a Mainz fan on the Caf, maybe @ctp can tell you more about him.

Cheers mate. Benfica and their penchant for german keepers. Here´s hoping he's another Butt rather than an Enke :D
 
It appears Benfica is about to get Mainz goalkeeper Karius. If he a good purchase @Balu? They bought Brazil´s Júlio César but things aren't going that great.

His contract is up next year, I expect half of all the Bundesliga teams to be in for him if he doesn't extend his contract. He's very young but whenever I've seen him he's been great for Mainz.



His save last week (number 1 on the list at 1:05 in the video ) and many others secured a point against Leverkusen last weekend.
 
His contract is up next year, I expect half of all the Bundesliga teams to be in for him if he doesn't extend his contract. He's very young but whenever I've seen him he's been great for Mainz.



His save last week (number 1 on the list at 1:05 in the video ) and many others secured a point against Leverkusen last weekend.


Thanks mate. They also mention a Milan interest but say that he is close to Benfica. There's an interview today in "O Jogo" newspaper with Bruno Labbadia that says that he is like Neuer. I don't want someone like that at Benfica :mad:

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What has Labbadia to do with Benfica, Mainz or Karius? And why would anyone ask his opinion, he's an idiot?