Even more injuries.
Bundesliga, DFB Cup, and other Bundesliga business 2014/2015
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Does he need excuses for finishing 2nd last season, reaching the cup final and being the only team to win a game against Real Madrid in the CL?
No I was just wondering what was going on with them as they made some good signings this season.
Against Schalke04 and Mainz05 they conceded some of the most boneheaded goals I've seen in quite some time. Hummels would normally never lose Joel Matip like that during a corner-kick and Adrian Ramos himself doesn't know why the feck he kicked the ball back into the penalty box after he already secured the situation.
We miss four offensive midfielder, including the two most important ones and pretty much our whole central midfield. On top of that we play santa clause in the defense, because the whole defensive formation has problems with form resulting from injuries and the after effect of the WC. We could also really use a proper set piece taker right now...
Long story short: We entered a medium sized crisis.
They still have a crazy number of injured key players, especially in attack and they miss both their creative central midfielders, so they look pretty one-dimensional going forward. But I'd say, at the moment their defense is the biggest problem. Some of the goals they conceded in the past few games are totally insane, shockingly bad defending. I expected Hummels to bring some stability to the team, but he was shocking today as well. Probably rushed to start and not fully fit yet. Give them a few more weeks and they'll most likely improve. But they can't afford to drop more points in the league, so it might be too late by then.
so, the league is over and bayern wins?
Don't underestimate Gladbach.
You have to love the media for turnarounds like that. After Borussia Dortmund's victory in the German Supercup a lot of 'experts' and journalists predicted Dortmund would take a commanding lead in the Bundesliga, while Guardiola's Bayern might even trail by double-digits at the beginning of the winter break.
Dortmund will return stronger with Reus, Kagawa, Hummels and hopefully Gündogan at full strength. Ramos and Immobile will both get better as well. Nothing is decided yet, but Dortmund has to get its act together.
You don´t seriously believe they will reach the necessary consistency to rival you guys, right? Let them lose two important players at the same time and feel the real effects of the EL and then we can talk.
I always see posts in this thread saying that Schalke/Leverkusen are no threat to Dortmund in the league so what's so impressive about finishing 2nd last season?
So unless Dortmund finishes 1st, he's done a bad job and needs excuses?
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Have you seen the back line of Dortmund for most parts of last season? Hummels, Pisczek, Subotic and Schmelzer where out at the same time for long periods of last year. Imagine Arsenal with Gibbs, Mertesacker and Koscielny out...
Does that really count against a Schalke that has similar or even has less luck with injuries...
You played with 5 World Champions (ok, I know that only Hummels played) today. And I know all your names even if I am fan of an opponent. No total newbies, some big money buys...
No, just that from the impression I get finishing at least 2nd is to be expected, not a negative but also not something to praise him about.
As an Arsenal fan I don't need to imagine injuries, I see plenty of them every year
Yeah. Injuries are still a good enough reason for me. Dortmund still misses big key members. And believe me; Im no Klopp lover (anymore).
And it was Schalke, a good team, in the 2nd tier worldwide. You can lose such a game.
No one said that Klopp deserved a manager of the year 2014 award. The overall job he has done in Dortmund is still mighty impressive, don't think that has changed because he only met the expectations once and didn't clearly surpass them again last season.
???? Think you're slightly confused there
. And yes, I agree that Schalke has similar problems. It's not like their start to the season was significantly better though.Wishful thinking. They are a much more likeable rival than you guys.
???? Think you're slightly confused there
Weidenfeller, Hummels, Ginter, Großkreutz, Durm...
Five...
I highlighted the 'you' and 'your' part, I didn't argue against the point you made, ffs
I highlighted the 'you' and 'your' part, I didn't argue against the point you made, ffs
Ok. I did not really look who was writing... Sorry!
We basically have to win everything that is left of the first season half, including the direct fixture in November, to even hope to put some pressure on you guys. This will be hard enough given that the injury situation won´t relax until the International break in mid October.
Our first concern should getting back on the CL spots before even thinking of challenging for the title. Wins vs. Anderlecht and Istanbul (both games) would also be also important in giving us some breathing room in the CL.
Signing Xabi Alonso really was a masterstroke. His impact is so immense with our complete starting midfied injured and as good as our young CM talents looked during pre-season, he clearly was/is the difference between this really good start to the season and a likely crisis.
In my eyes he is not only an upgrade to the young ones but to our "old" midfield, too. It is what we missed a lot the recent season - more forward passing and at the same time somebody who really is a shield in defensive midfield. With Thomas and Arjen - now with Lewandowski - we have the runners near the offside line and I have watched Müller endless times last season making runs that were never picked. You can do that a lot riskier if you do not have pass masters in the midfield but a fighter, too...
There still a lot that has to adapt - but you see it...
Indeed. Also a rther unfortunate defender. Whenever I watch Bremen he is pretty shit.
What?
It also really shows the difference in pulling power that still exists between Bayern and the rest of the league, though. Nobody else in the league could have pulled this transfer of.
It shouldn´t count, no, but injuries (even in this concentration on two areas) are not the sole reason for our poor results. On paper the team should be able to defeat the current Schalke, but football is not played on paper.
We rely on our system more than other teams. This allows us to outperform teams with way superior squads but also can hurt us vs. weaker teams if the team simply does not click. None of our defenders are in normal form. Subotic and Hummels need game time to recover from their injuries. Durm, Schmelzer and Sokratis are in slumps right now. Ginter needs time to get used to our style.
The injuries in the central areas really hurt our build up play and creativity. It is telling that a Hummels in poor shape is still an improvement in that apect.
What we need right now is a little bit of time to adjust and some luck in terms of injuries so that our hospital does not grow further. We don´t have said time, though. We play basically every three/four days giving Klopp little time to make adjustments. I have no worries in reaching a top 4 spot, though. We are usually slow starters under Klopp (last season was more of an exception) and will improve with time. The title race is a different topic, though.
Magath managed to bring Raul to Schalke and yes I think that was a comparable transfer, so maybe there's a lot more possible than you believe
. I think Dortmund right now wouldn't make such a transfer, because the focus is still on longterm building and not on fixing problems through expensive shortterm solutions.Magath managed to bring Raul to Schalke and yes I think that was a comparable transfer, so maybe there's a lot more possible than you believe
It isn´t though. Raul clearly fell out of favour in Madrid, playing 1500 minutes mostly as impact sub in his last season. Madrid even payed a part of his salary to get rid of him. Alonso was lead player and starter in pretty much all important games, playing over 3100 minutes depite missing a dozen games with a bone fracture.
Then there is of course the fact that Magath left Schalke with a dire situation in terms of finances, because he signed players they could not afford.
A signing like Alonso would be completely unrealistic for us, because he would crush our wage structure. We won´t pay an aging veteran twice as much as our key and star players.
Agreed on that point there. Bayern are on a different level when it comes to pulling power in the Bundesliga,
That is an excellent point. I am sure there will be someone who comes out and says every team depends on system blah blah blah but I can understand the point you are trying to make. There are also a couple of new players who have yet to come to terms with Dortmund's unique system and the unbelievable injury crisis is just horrific to say the least. Any team would suffer without having several key players (Hummels, Gundogan, Reus) for some time in addition to the loss of Lewandowski as well... It can only get better from here.
God I hope Dortmund regain their form and at least compete for the Bundesliga. Would be boring, as a neutral, to see Bayern walk the league this season again. Not that Bayern fans would mind that though.
What?
Was asking a question to which people have actually replied with proper answer rather than your stupid response.
Which players are missing, seemed a strong line up?
@Balu so Xabi Alonso attempted nearly 200 passes today... what the fck?! That's inhuman.
How about this: I list the currently injured players and the equivalents of the United squad in to put things in perspective. This not about comparisions in skill or style, but rather the standing inside the teams:
Kehl - Fletcher
Kirch - Blind
Sahin - Carrick
Gündogan - Herrera
Reus - Di Maria
Mkhitaryan - Rooney
Blaszczykowski - Januzaj
Ji - Valencia
Would be fun, right? Our whole creative department currently consists of Kagawa, who needs time to adjust to the higher physical demands again, and Hummels, who started his first game today since the WC final.
Thats gonna hurt a team, any team in the world, actually. The problem is that we can´t even bank on our defense right now, because they are collectively underperforming. The two healthy most consistent performer (Aubameyang + Ramos) until now are strikers, who of course struggle without service.
Not exactly fun times to support Dortmund right now.
Yeah? Came more across as wumming that didn't deserve any real answer, so I would be careful of calling other people posts stupid. You know glass houses and stones.
Funny that, seemed to get decent responses from other people apart from you.
Certainly a long list, Gundogan has been out for ages. Not all of them would start though, Reus, Gundogan and Blaszczykowski are very key players though.
Hi. I wanted to ask to our fellow german caftards if there is any show, like the Match of the day in the PL, but bundesliga version? Does it even exist?
The closest things would probably be Sportschau/Sportstudio
Yeah, completely insane. I never expected him to fit that perfectly into Pep's passing game. He has been incredible so far.