Bundesliga, DFB Cup, and other Bundesliga business 2014/2015

I have some questions for any german football fans here.

  1. Your thoughts on Bayern as a club and their dominance?
  2. What is the general thoughts on Bayern Germany wide?
  3. What do you think of Dortmund?
  4. Do you ever think Leverkusen could win anything?
  5. Do you wish that the Bundesliga would be easier to watch in other countries?

1. What do you mean by that? Bayern have waaaay more money and prestige than any other club in Germany and they are doing a very good job atm, so unless something drastic happens only Dortmund will be able to touch them in a direct duel and no one will be able to match them over the course of a whole season.

2. They polarize. Probably a bit like United. Fans all over the country, a lot of them legit but also a lot of obnoxious glory hunters, who don't really help with their popularity.

3. In what context? Give their financial situation they are doing amazing work, but it'll probably take them a decade or more of that performance level before they really come close to Bayern in terms of finances.

4. Well I don't see any team other than Bayern or Dortmund winning the league, but in the cup anything can happen. I don't believe clubs are bottlers by destiny.

5. I'm from Germany, so I don't have any problems with watching as much games as I want, but I believe the league has a lot to offer and the level of global exposure does not reflect that - though from what I read they are making a lot of progress on that front.


I dislike clubs that circumvent 50+1, but because of the pathetic state of east German football I believe that RBL will develop a sizeable fan base very quickly (afaik they already have a very good attendance for a second division club), so at least they won't be another Hoffenheim or Wolfsburg, who travel with <1000 away fans.
 
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I think there is the misconception, that Leverkusen is a big club (by german standards). They were in the past (around 2000) but had to downsize.
They have only few fans and little potential for growth. Even if they would be very successful, they´d never be able to grow like dortmund does at the moment. So they are very depended on the Bayer A.G., who own them and sponsor them. Their wages are capped somewhere between €40-50 million; their owner is just not willing to sink ridiculous amount of moneys anymore.
Thats over average compared to other clubs in the bundesliga, but makes it really hard to compete with bayern, dortmund, schalke or Wolfsburg. They tried to sign Ginter, Sokratis, de bruyne, gustavo but once a richer club jumped in, they had no chance.
They are closer to the likes of Hamburg, Stuttgart, Hannover or Gladbach than to Dortmund or Schalke.

They wont win anything and once Schalke and Wolfsburg get their shit together, they´ll drop out of the CL qualification. Seeing that Wolfsburg just signed Bendtner, they properly still finish above them.
 
Tbh I'm not even sure if Bayer hurts or helps the club. €25m a year seems a lot at first, but their affiliation with Bayer probably makes them very unattractive for other sponsors and their plastic image deters potential fans.
 
What the feck are Mainz and Chemnitz doing :lol: .
 
What the feck are Mainz and Chemnitz doing :lol: .

:lol:

Damn, you gotta love the German cup. What a crazy game this was. Leader of the third German league Chemnitz eliminates Mainz with a perfect penalty shoot out. The extra time ended with a score line of 5-5 with a last minute equalizer by highly rated DM talent of Mainz Johannes Geis, who nailed a shot from the middle line (!).

In just one week Mainz went from being part in three competitions to just the league. Bitter for them.
 
In just one week Mainz went from being part in three competitions to just the league. Bitter for them.
They probably miss Tuchel already. Not that his record in cup competitions was any better, but it's a really bad start for Mainz into the post Tuchel era. And Nürnberg's week isn't any better if they go out today against Duisburg after that embarrassing derby loss against Fürth in the league.
 
They probably miss Tuchel already. Not that his record in cup competitions was any better, but it's a really bad start for Mainz into the post Tuchel era. And Nürnberg's week isn't any better if they go out today against Duisburg after that embarrassing derby loss against Fürth in the league.

Definitively. I think that many will soon see just how much work Tuchel did for Mainz. I know that you rate him highly aswell.

Losing Müller to Kühne´s toy Hamburg did not help either, though.
 
Definitively. I think that many will soon see just how much work Tuchel did for Mainz. I know that you rate him highly aswell.

Losing Müller to Kühne´s toy Hamburg did not help either, though.
I really want to see him work longterm at one of the potentially big clubs (Schalke, Hamburg, Wolfsburg or even RB Leizpzig, if they get promoted this season).

Kiessling scored 5 goals today, 4 in the first half. Should give him some confidence. I'm really curious how Leverkusen will line-up after a few weeks/months. So much potential in the team, but I think their new style should suit Kiessling a lot and get the best out of him.
 
Definitively. I think that many will soon see just how much work Tuchel did for Mainz. I know that you rate him highly aswell.

Losing Müller to Kühne´s toy Hamburg did not help either, though.

:nono:
 
Dieter Hecking said:
Nicklas embodies precisely the kind of striker we were looking for. He fits the profile and is going to strengthen our squad.

I couldn't help but laugh when I read this quote.
 
Bye bye Stuttgart. Always thought Veh is overrated, stupid decision by Stuttgart to take him back.
 
There's always one of those shock results in the first round German cup matches, isn't there
 
There's always one of those shock results in the first round German cup matches, isn't there

There is usually more than one. The lower leagues usually start earlier and are further with their preparations. And they probably are highly motivated - it is the match of their career.
 
Noo please let us have him. :(

Nothing clear. And he isnt the greatest by a mile. You will find someone.
And I think we had an argument here. I would love to clear that. Have nothing against you. I love my country and Im proud of it.
Dont see my posts as attacks. ;) Hope we are clear.
 
Nothing clear. And he isnt the greatest by a mile. You will find someone.
And I think we had an argument here. I would love to clear that. Have nothing against you. I love my country and Im proud of it.
Dont see my posts as attacks. ;) Hope we are clear.

There's no problem man.. I didn't take it personally as an attack and hope you didn't either. Let's leave the arguments for their respective threads. :)
So in theory it's all cool in this thread. :D
But don't you talk to me in the Reus thread. :mad:
:p
 
There's no problem man.. I didn't take it personally as an attack and hope you didn't either. Let's leave the arguments for their respective threads. :)
So in theory it's all cool in this thread. :D
But don't you talk to me in the Reus thread. :mad:
:p

I DO WHAT I WANT! :mad::mad::mad::devil::devil:
Haha ok. Then lets see what the great last days of august bring. Always the best drama.
 
Bayern is really hard to watch at the moment... :boring:

Finally a nice attacking move, Lewandowski with the great cross to Götze, textbook header -> 1:0.
 
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Götze! :drool:

Good cross by Lewa there.

That was Müller's 100th goal for Bayern, not too shabby.
 
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I have some questions for any german football fans here.

  1. Your thoughts on Bayern as a club and their dominance?
  2. What is the general thoughts on Bayern Germany wide?
  3. What do you think of Dortmund?
  4. Do you ever think Leverkusen could win anything?
  5. Do you wish that the Bundesliga would be easier to watch in other countries?

1. bayern rule the game over here, economically, and well-deserved so. hoeness et al realised the financial possibilities of a company-like-run enterprise that a proper football club is/can/should be, many years ahead of their domestic(!) competitors. also, their reign should be quite sustainable due to the impossibility of genuine sugardaddy clubs appearing on the scene, like what happened with monaco, city, psg etc - whether VW-backed wolfsburg and/or R(ED)B(ULL) leipzig (promoted to 2nd bundesliga) will manage to actually compete with them in the near future is pretty uncertain imho.

2. bayern are the club with the biggest fan base, so they say, while their stadium's usual lack of frenetic atmosphere is a regular complaint from "real", "authentic", "blue-collar" supporters of "real", "authentic", "blue-collar" football clubs (dortmund, schalke, hertha, frankfurt, what have you). east-german bayern supporters are quite a regular thing, as there hasn't been one competitive club around, for decades that is, and you gotta root for some club, right? also, bayern fans are usually kept for snobby trophy hunters who aren't really into football.
dortmund fans despise them to the fullest these days, because mario götze and lewandowski and you gotta be kidding me why don't they buy hummels, gündogan and reus, too, and re-name the club to borussia munich!
i for one despise them only (but very specifically) during their lederhosen-clad oktoberfest folklore. that's a NOPE.

3. the ongoing media-driven bayern vs dortmund feud via tabloids/tv is as cringeworthy as are some of klopp's antics, but the man is a genius so i better shut it.
to me, the klopp style of football is a very refreshing take, which i can see getting adapted all over the place, from good old heynckes to simeone, laudrup, roger schmidt, favre, tuchel, luhukay - these hipster managers implemented and/or adapted huge chunks of it, as did pretty much the whole league. seems like klopp managed to assemble a very functional set of tactical tools for the lesser gifted blue-collar teams, to some success - because it can be practised and internalized without overly relying on the most sought-after, most expensive types of creative, technically superior players whom you'd need for your fancy possession game.
klopp football preys on an opponent's mistakes rather than patiently exploiting their weaknesses - and it's been delivering astonishing results so far, hence it made everyone aware/envious of their style, their key players, their manager. that's also what makes dortmund everybody's 2nd club.

4. erm, nope.
leverkusen would be wise to accept a fierce competition for the CL-qualifying ranks, instead of aiming for actual silverware. they just got a hold of a new fancy manager in roger schmidt, their designated klopp, who had done a great great job for red bull salzburg. but that was the austrian joke of a league, so let's see how schmidt fares in his first season, as a highly praised bundesliga newbie who is supposed to deliver results as of day 1.
whether leverkusen's newly-acquired mega-talents hakan calhanoglu and josip drmic can each take the next step after respectively impressive first seasons at hamburg and nuremberg remains to be seen. both of them could come in very handy indeed and are proven in the league. but then again: in case they come really good, they'll be tempted to try to force a move to a fancier club/city, like losing the services of promising DM talent emre can, who recently agreed a deal with liverpool, which must have been quite a blow though. that was really kinda unfortunate.
on another note: why did schalke loan out kyriakos papadopoulos to leverkusen, a direct rival? this is beyond me - and beyond him, obviously.

so NO, no titles for leverkusen anytime soon, i mean seeing them survive the CL group stage for once would be something quite remarkable.

5. whatever adds to the league's financial competitiveness to other leagues. other than that, i couldn't really give one crap.
 
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Didn't Calhanaglu fake some mental illness to hasten his transfer to Leverkusen? all that after saying he love Hamburg or something?
 
Didn't Calhanaglu fake some mental illness to hasten his transfer to Leverkusen? all that after saying he love Hamburg or something?
Yeah, he got an attestation from a doctor that he couldn't take part in any training sessions due to mental health problems.
Directly after his transfer to Leverkusen his mental problems were miraculously gone and he was cleard to take part in Leverkusen's training sessions. :wenger:
 
Calhanoglu might be the biggest cnut in german football right now.
 
Yeah, he got an attestation from a doctor that he couldn't take part in any training sessions due to mental health problems.
Directly after his transfer to Leverkusen his mental problems were miraculously gone and he was cleard to take part in Leverkusen's training sessions. :wenger:
what a prick. I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls off a similar bullshit in couple years if better clubs come calling.
 
In Germany are the media expecting Dortmund to have a title challenge or does everybody think Bayern will walk the league again? It's weird that the Bundesliga went from the most competitive with 5 different winners in 8 years to only second to France in the least competitive of the major leagues.
 
In Germany are the media expecting Dortmund to have a title challenge or does everybody think Bayern will walk the league again? It's weird that the Bundesliga went from the most competitive with 5 different winners in 8 years to only second to France in the least competitive of the major leagues.
Shit happens when a team gets it really really right for a few years and builds a truely excellent side. If we struggle because of the injuries and the post-World Cup effect with a bit less determination and fitness problems from some of the key players, then it's an open league. If we recapture the form from last season prior to securing the title, we'll walk the league again. Hard to predict what happens.
 
I really hope Bayern has a great year considering how they were treated last year after the weak ending of the season. I think a lot is down to Thiago and his fitness and hopefully we get to see him undisturbed this year finding his form and even improving.
 
Shit happens when a team gets it really really right for a few years and builds a truely excellent side. If we struggle because of the injuries and the post-World Cup effect with a bit less determination and fitness problems from some of the key players, then it's an open league. If we recapture the form from last season prior to securing the title, we'll walk the league again. Hard to predict what happens.

Would not call it an open league even if you guys struggle to be honest. This might sound arrogant but I see only one team capable of punishing your mistakes and this is us.

The likelihood of Bayern and Dortmund both struggling enough for a another team to have a shot at the title is fairly slim in my book. This is not only because of the squad strength of both of them, but also because none of the opposition makes me lose sleep at night.

Sure, Schalke has a lot of potential and talent in the squad and if their talents all explode performance wise they could become a force, but as it stands now they will be extremely reliant on Huntelaar. Given the Hunter´s injury record including two severe knee injuries in the last two years, they could find themselves without him sooner rather than later. If he is gone, Schalke loses the majority of their cutting edge. On top of that Farfan, who has carried them several times in the past, could very well miss the whole first season half. Goretzka won´t be in fighting shape until mid september aswell.

Wolfsburg looked quite frankly shocking going forward in the Pre season games (Bochum, Hamburg, Bayern, Cardiff) and cup game I have seen from them. Their whole creativity rests on De Bruyne, who is undoubtly a classy player, but looks most of the time like someone who would rather be somewhere else. Dost, Hunt and Arnold are average at this point, while the last as potential for more. Perisic is still out for several months. Their answer to their offensive problems is Nicklas fecking Bendtner, which says a lot. In the end a lot will depend on the question, if the old man Olic has another good season in him.

Gladbach is on a good way but still far away from being able to make pose a real threat for the top spot.

That leaves Leverkusen, who have probably the most balanced squad in that tier after the top 2. They gained some depth, but there have still players in their team, which they can´t even hope to replaceble if injured. They have to hope for another lucky period with injuries like the first half of the last season, otherwise I can actually see them falling out of the Top 4.

So in the end it will turn out to be at best a duel for the title with the other four fighting out the remaining two CL places.
 
Oh and btw.: How freaking bad is Hamburg? Thats downright pathetic.
Schalke also not really convincing so far.
 
Hamburg deserved to be relegated last season.

Please don´t remind me.....

I always think back to our pathetic display in Hamburg last season, which gifted them three points.

Schalke behind by one. Dortmund´s secret agent Santana with one of his usual tackles ^^
 
Please don´t remind me.....

I always think back to our pathetic display in Hamburg last season, which gifted them three points.

Schalke behind by one. Dortmund´s secret agent Santana with one of his usual tackles ^^
Dortmund really deserve to lose Reus to us for that, I hate you guys.

Oh and I fecking love it that finally Santana is shown up as the bad player he is. I don't think I ever was as annoyed by a cliché as with the whole 'best 3rd defender in the league and would be a starter in any other team'. He was always average at best but I can't remember a single player who was hyped as much for being 3rd choice as Santana was during his time at Dortmund. It was un-fecking-believable.
 
Please don´t remind me.....

I always think back to our pathetic display in Hamburg last season, which gifted them three points.

Schalke behind by one. Dortmund´s secret agent Santana with one of his usual tackles ^^
and then in the 12/13 season Dortmund lost 1-4 to Hamburg at home, only to concede 9 against Bayern a month later.
 
Oh and btw.: How freaking bad is Hamburg? Thats downright pathetic.
Schalke also not really convincing so far.

It's DFB-Pokal, you know…
As long as you reach the next round it's all good.
Other teams struggled in the last few days as well, your result against the Kickers was also flattering. Schalke isn't exactly convincing either ;)
 
Dortmund really deserve to lose Reus to us for that, I hate you guys.

Yeah, no. I was rarely as pissed at my team as that time, though. Not even because it was vs. Hamburg. The performance and especially mentality was simply pathetic.

Oh and I fecking love it that finally Santana is shown up as the bad player he is. I don't think I ever was as annoyed by a cliché as with the whole 'best 3rd defender in the league and would be a starter in any other team'. He was always average at best but I can't remember a single player who was hyped as much for being 3rd choice as Santana was during his time at Dortmund. It was un-fecking-believable.

Santana has pace and is decent in the air. Thats it. He had one good spell for us in the middle of the 2011/2012 season and the hype train took off from there. He was also always a sunny boy and thus a crowd favourite which only fueled the hype.