Bundesliga, DFB Cup, and other Bundesliga business 2014/2015

NoLogo said:
True the quality in your team is undeniably pretty outrageous. It's just that for you guys everything seems so easy and for Dortmund it's like they fight like crazy, play their hearts out in almost every game and usually end up looking like complete idiots. Unless Kramer decides to steal them the show. :P
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I don't think that's really true. Dortmund isn't even anymore one of the teams in the league that covers the most ground, they too often tried to get a result this season and that has backfired, including today. They had barerly a game this season in in the league in which they were really convincing for more than 45-60 minutes. The game today was just another example and while everyone will blame the refereee I think that just distracts from underlying issues.
 
Just saw the disallowed Großkreutz goal. Jesus Christ, the only question is if Stark and his team are actually biased or just completely incompetent. Maybe both.
 
Once again we controlled a game, but lacked structure and directness in attack and conceded stupid goals. At least we managed a late goal to draw the game, even though we should have won it.
 
Piratesoup said:
Just saw the disallowed Großkreutz goal. Jesus Christ, the only question is if Stark and his team are actually biased or just completely incompetent. Maybe both.
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My guess is incompetence, he is the worst referee in the Bundesliga.
 
According to Zorc Reus is at least out for the rest of the year. Unreal.
 
Balu said:
It was beautiful though. It's surprising that Dortmund don't get their act together in defense. I'd argue that cost them way more points than the stupid chliché of not being able to score against teams that defend deep. Stark fecked Dortmund over today, no doubt about that. But the defending for Paderborn's first goal looked was comical again, and as long as the defense is that shaky even against 'weak' opponents, everything will always be a fight. The whole team will always get nervous and not see games out with ease and that costs so much energy over a full season.
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No doubt about that. It's way to easy for other Bundesliga teams to score against them. Too many individual mistakes and concentration lapses have cost them in the Bundesliga this season, the weird part is that they somehow manage to avoid this in the CL so far, quite baffling to be honest.
 
LinkesAuge said:
I don't think that's really true. Dortmund isn't even anymore one of the teams in the league that covers the most ground, they too often tried to get a result this season and that has backfired, including today. They had barerly a game this season in in the league in which they were really convincing for more than 45-60 minutes. The game today was just another example and while everyone will blame the refereee I think that just distracts from underlying issues.
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Source? Before this game we covered 124 km per game in the Bundesliga, which has to put us in the league´s top group. Effort is not the problem. Mentality is to an extend, because they have the feeling that everything goes against them no matter what they do (this is the big difference compared to the CL). We do have defensive issues, which are especially visible when our only consistent defender (Sokratis) does not play. A Hummels in top form could fix that like he did last season and Sahin would also be worth a lot right now, because he has the ability to calm down the game flow and structure the game.

Having said that, the criticism on Stark is completely justified. While the 1:2 was bad for us, it was Reus´ injury which shifted the momentum completely in Paderborn´s favour. In a mental state that Dortmund is right now, to lose a star and lead player in that way at a crucial time is lethal. To see the guilty player getting away with a yellow card and even complaining about it probably makes it even worse. This foul has be punished by a red card: stretched leg and open sole with no chance of the ball in the middle of the pitch. This leads to injuries way more often than not, which is by definition a red card worthy offense. If you allow this to go you basically give the team permission to hunt the other players down.

To even top this, Stark robbed us from taking the momentum back by disallowing a perfectly fine goal. The amount of extra time was also a bad joke, because that was shorter than the treatment of Reus alone took.

So, did we play poorly in the second half and made stupid defensive mistakes? Sure. Would we have still won this game with a halfway competent ref? Most likely. In the current situation playing well is not the priority. It is the result which counts and this was heavily influenced by a ref, who has a history of screwing us over.
 
I do not know about the average - but actually always when I looked into the analysis data of bundesliga.de I did not really see that Dortmund covered more or much more ground than the other teams.

Today - Dortmund - Paderborn 120 - 121
Gladbach - Dortmund both teams 118
Bayern - Dortmund 118 - 121
Dortmund - Hannover 114 - 115

That is just the last match days. Dortmund stayed at the level they always have been - whereas the other teams now run as much!

Even if I look further back - Hamburg and Cologne were on Dortmund's level atleast with the distance.

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Sphaero said:
Source? Before this game we covered 124 km per game in the Bundesliga, which has to put us in the league´s top group. Effort is not the problem.
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May i quote the holy Pep? "i don't care how far the players run, it is the ball that should move" (from memory).
He has a point. I know BVBs play is heavily running-operated, but there are two kinds of running: running with a plan, and headless running (aka hen stable). My impression is BVBs game has moved a little to the latter.
 
Diagnosis confirmed: Marco Reus has a lateral ankle ligament rupture. He will most likely return to training at the start of January.
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What the feck is wrong with Armin Veh? Did he really say, the team didn't play that bad, they were mostly unlucky, which he projects on himself and therefore steps down? I've read it (the German write-up of his press conference) twice now and it still sounds as if he believes he's doing a great job but brings bad luck to the club and therefore has to leave. What a brilliant move that was, leaving Frankfurt for Stuttgart :lol:.
 
Balu said:
What the feck is wrong with Armin Veh? Did he really say, the team didn't play that bad, they were mostly unlucky, which he projects on himself and therefore steps down?
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Tbf that is partly true. Stuttgart had a few games were they were really unlucky (best example yesterday, down to 10 men after 30 minutes and lose after a debatable penalty) in a lot of fixtures this season. Obviously he's not having a great season at Stuttgart at all but I think he's a decent coach. Much better than the Labbadia's or Dutt's at least! Very surprising that he steps down though, I really didn't expect that at all.
 
PedroMendez said:
he is a bad coach. He leaves whenever it gets tough. Its smart, because this way he still looks somewhat decent, while being awful.
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I guess he leaves when he sees himself that he cannot change the way things are - before others tell him to go. He looses money that way...

But - the background might be that he had problems with the management especially to get players he wanted etc.
 
Blackwidow said:
I guess he leaves when he sees himself that he cannot change the way things are - before others tell him to go. He looses money that way...

But - the background might be that he had problems with the management especially to get players he wanted etc.
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well. he really seems to lack the ability "to change things". He is surely not as bad as the Babbels or Dutts of this world, still if I had to pick a manager from the 1.Bundesliga for any club, he would be in the bottom three.
 
Rykker_4united said:
So @maze, is Hertha the biggest Berlin club historically?
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they sure are. but that doesn't really mean anything. their standing, even here in berlin, is questionable to non-existent. hertha suffers from a bad reputation, as they seem to be stuck as a west-berlin institution, where it was/is all about a sleazy, self-feeding network of a somewhat corrupt, iron-curtain political-social elite that still lives on, in a way. the club is influenced by some big-ass berlin entrepeneur named gegenbauer, who runs a huge imperium as a personnel service provider for super-low-paid service jobs - plus the club's general manager is michael preetz, an utter twat who's completely out of his depth in his role, and literally everything surrounding the club smells kinda old-fashioned and unsexy. they play in the OLYMPIASTADION that was built by the nazis for the 1936 olympics, ffs.

i'm 33 yrs old and kinda urban, i'd rather go see a match of bottom-of-2nd-bundesliga side union berlin, they play at an actual football stadium, they serve berliner pilsener, the support is really great, and the bratwurst is okayish. though in the rare case of a hertha winning-streak and/or them placing in the top third of the table, their stadium easily fills. also their local supporters are indecent morons, mostly.

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maze said:
they sure are. but that doesn't really mean anything. their standing, even here in berlin, is questionable to non-existent. hertha suffers from a bad reputation, as they seem to be stuck as a west-berlin institution, where it was/is all about a sleazy, self-feeding network of a somewhat corrupt, iron-curtain-like political-social elite that still exists, in a way. the club is influenced by some big-ass mafia berlin entrepeneur named gegenbauer, who runs a huge imperium as a personnel service provider for super-low-paid service jobs - plus the club's manager is michael preetz, an utter twat who's completely out of his depth in his role, and literally everything surrounding the club smells kinda old-fashioned and unsexy. they play in the OLYMPIASTADION that was built by the nazis for the 1936 olympics, ffs.

i'm 33 yrs old and kinda urban, i'd rather go see a match of bottom-of-2nd-bundesliga side union berlin, they play at an actual football stadium, they serve berliner pilsener, the support is really great, and the bratwurst is okayish.
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Thanks for that, great info. I always thought it was strange that Berlin didn't have one of the biggest or best funded teams in Germany.
 
Rykker_4united said:
Thanks for that, great info. I always thought it was strange that Berlin didn't have one of the biggest or best funded teams in Germany.
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there were some developments though, recently. a new private-equity investor from NYC will be adding around €60m of equity capital over the next 7 years, in exchange for 9.7% of shares in hertha's limited commercial partnership (terminology?). plus there were unconfirmed reports on ongoing talks with an asian co-investor, but i haven't heard about that anymore, for quite some time. it actually looked like the club had been making a few baby steps forward, recently, but the outcome in the league quickly fell back to a level of ongoing disappointment. hertha are nothing but mediocre and kinda doomed to stay this way, due to basic and structural, erm, complications.

some big-ass, PSG-like investor from saudi qataria is not possible, due to the league's strict regulations. also they'd need a completely new football stadium imho. which could turn out to be quite the issue, in the eyes of investors - especially with regards to, say, the ongoing disaster of epic dimensions that is the new airport..
 
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Stevens is back to save Stuttgart :lol: . Who is actually in charge at the club since Bobic was fired? It looks like they aren't even trying to build something for the future anymore.
 
After seeing that tackle on Reus, I actually got angry. Not sure at whom, but that's something that needs to stop. It's times like these that I wish you could retrospectively give people a red card and take them out for a game or two to think about what they've done.

Poor Dortmund... when Bayern fans sympathize with you, you know you're really in a shite position. You need to start turning this around at some point. And don't fire Klopp over this, he's the best thing happening to you. Well, I talk as if any of us had a say in it. I hope he doesn't get fired anyway.
 
Lagger said:
After seeing that tackle on Reus, I actually got angry. Not sure at whom, but that's something that needs to stop. It's times like these that I wish you could retrospectively give people a red card and take them out for a game or two to think about what they've done.
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I'd go even further and say that a 4 or 5 match ban is adequate for a tackle like that.
 
Jaap said:
Think he didn't just mean injuries but also how their games so far this season have panned out.
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Yes, they were just unlucky. And the World Cup fatigue really hit them hard. Never could be something else... Nobody made any mistakes. :cool:
 
Balu said:
Stevens is back to save Stuttgart :lol: . Who is actually in charge at the club since Bobic was fired? It looks like they aren't even trying to build something for the future anymore.
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I mentioned it earlier in this thread, but this most recent screw-up shows even more that firing Bobic mid-season without a replacement was fecking stupid. I bet he would have talked Armin Veh out of this rash decision and taken the heat instead of adding pressure on the coach.

Stevens is the easy and comfortable choice, because he rescued Stuttgart from relegation last season, but nobody knows how well he'll do with 22 games left.

Stuttgart, Bremen and Hamburg have a total of more than 150 years of Bundesliga history, but they are currently all a badly managed embarrassment.
 
Lagger said:
After seeing that tackle on Reus, I actually got angry. Not sure at whom, but that's something that needs to stop. It's times like these that I wish you could retrospectively give people a red card and take them out for a game or two to think about what they've done.

Poor Dortmund... when Bayern fans sympathize with you, you know you're really in a shite position. You need to start turning this around at some point. And don't fire Klopp over this, he's the best thing happening to you. Well, I talk as if any of us had a say in it. I hope he doesn't get fired anyway.
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Im just baffled that we have 2014 and you cant protect players any better then 30 years ago.
There has to be some ways to improve foot and leg protection, some new materials.
Must be.
 
Blackwidow said:
Yes, they were just unlucky. And the World Cup fatigue really hit them hard. Never could be something else... Nobody made any mistakes. :cool:
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Who the hell said that? Of course mistakes were made. You do not stand where we stand with that squad if you have done everything right. These mistakes were also acknowledged by rival and neutral fans aswell as supporters on here. You can have rotten luck on top of making mistakes, though, which is exactly what happened in Paderborn. If you can not see what went against us in that game outside own shortcomings and the opposing team, then you are simply blinded by bias.

This might be too complex for your black and white thinking in terms of Borussia Dortmund but like in most things this crisis does not have a single source, but is multi layered and right now pretty much everything comes together.
 
Bazi said:
Stuttgart, Bremen and Hamburg have a total of more than 150 years of Bundesliga history, but they are currently all a badly managed embarrassment.
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Agree with Stuttgart and Bremen, but HSV are overcoming there past bad management step by step at the moment. I think the almost relegation got things rolling at last and plenty of positive changes have been made and are starting to make an impact.
 
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