Bundesliga, DFB Cup, and other Bundesliga business 2014/2015

Yes, I am female. But I am so used to people thinking that everybody that is interested in football has to be male... :D

And no - for sure I am no Dortmund supporter... I am allergic against everything that has yellow and black stripes... Red is just such a nice colour.

You'd think they'd have guessed with your glorious username!
 
Yes, I am female. But I am so used to people thinking that everybody that is interested in football has to be male... :D

And no - for sure I am no Dortmund supporter... I am allergic against everything that has yellow and black stripes... Red is just such a nice colour.

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Oh boy. Those were the days. I don't think we had a single kit with Opel as sponsor that isn't horrible :(
 
Hoffenheim currently joint top of the league with Leverkusen.

...that doesn't sound right.
 
That is 20 years ago. Every club can make mistakes...



Just a tongue-in-cheek comment.

Although, I guess if you showed that yellow jersey to Rummenigge, he will start claiming Dortmund have started to 'copy' Munich's historical yellow jersey and their copy can never be as good as the original :D
 
Just a tongue-in-cheek comment.

Although, I guess if you showed that yellow jersey to Rummenigge, he will start claiming Dortmund have started to 'copy' Munich's historical yellow jersey and their copy can never be as good as the original :D
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Bayern choreography - the colours of the "geilsten Stadt" (coolest city)

And the colours of the best club

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But we are just talking about kits...
 
To get the topic away from that

The 2nd round of the German cup. Interesting matches in Hamburg...

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Couldn't catch the game but how did Reus play? Surprised he started this match. Looks like Immobile had a disappointing game by the looks of it
 
Very impressive performance from Leverkusen, they limited Dortmund to snatched shots, pressed relentlessly and always looked dangerous on the counter, the second goal summed up the match. Leverkusen certainly spread out their goals, one in the first 7 seconds and one with almost the last kick of the game.

Dortmund just couldn't get going and Reus was only involved in flashes, it's clear how much the team misses the Gundogan/Bender partnership at the base of the midfield. Mkhitaryan is an interesting player with great balance but I'm not actually sure what his role is, he seems to be operating like Kaka did in the mid 2000's Milan side, sort of an AM rather than a pure #10, but with Reus also floating centrally it left Dortmund lopsided at times.

Couldn't catch the game but how did Reus play? Surprised he started this match. Looks like Immobile had a disappointing game by the looks of it

Immobile works really hard but his final ball and touch let him down in the games I've seen him play.
 
1-0 Mainz

Okazaki scores on the rebound after the Paderborn goalie just managed to deflect a great Geis freekick onto the post.


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1-1 now, still committing stupid errors at the back.
 
That last minute equaliser was really important for Mainz. Starting the league with a loss against the probably weakest team in the league would have been a huge problem after their horrible start in the cup competitions. Still, they are in trouble and I wouldn't be surprised if they get relegated in year one after Tuchel.
 
That last minute equaliser was really important for Mainz. Starting the league with a loss against the probably weakest team in the league would have been a huge problem after their horrible start in the cup competitions. Still, they are in trouble and I wouldn't be surprised if they get relegated in year one after Tuchel.
I think we have a bit too much quality in the side to get relegated, especially up front. However, our defence is in poor shape at the moment and really needs sorting out. We were fairly good at defending last season, so I'm positive we can regain that.
 
I think we have a bit too much quality in the side to get relegated, especially up front. However, our defence is in poor shape at the moment and really needs sorting out. We were fairly good at defending last season, so I'm positive we can regain that.
Totally forgot that you support Mainz. We have a nice mix of German fans here on the Caf at the moment. How do you rate Hjulmand's work so far?
 
Very impressive performance from Leverkusen, they limited Dortmund to snatched shots, pressed relentlessly and always looked dangerous on the counter, the second goal summed up the match. Leverkusen certainly spread out their goals, one in the first 7 seconds and one with almost the last kick of the game.

Dortmund just couldn't get going and Reus was only involved in flashes, it's clear how much the team misses the Gundogan/Bender partnership at the base of the midfield. Mkhitaryan is an interesting player with great balance but I'm not actually sure what his role is, he seems to be operating like Kaka did in the mid 2000's Milan side, sort of an AM rather than a pure #10, but with Reus also floating centrally it left Dortmund lopsided at times.



Immobile works really hard but his final ball and touch let him down in the games I've seen him play.

I wouldn't draw conclusions from that game. Dortmund lacked all their creative DMs (Gündogan, Sahin and Kirch (I never thought I'd say that until a couple of months ago)) aswell as Hummels, coupled with the psychological effect of the extremely early goal they never truly got into their rythm. Even when they were sort of pressuring Leverkusen their passing and decision making still seemed very rushed/sloppy. I don't recall the team creating a single chance for Immobile, instead he often had to drift to the left in order to make himself available and then Leverkusen just isolated him.
Reus wasn't even remotely close to 100% imo, I didn't understand why Klopp played him against a 3rd league team when Hofmann had a decent pre season and since he was somewhat poor against them I thought it an even bigger mistake to let him start against Leverkusen (yes - cpt Hindsight reporting in). Sokratis was probably Dortmund's best player (again) - it will be really hard for Subotic to get his spot as a starter back.

That last minute equaliser was really important for Mainz. Starting the league with a loss against the probably weakest team in the league would have been a huge problem after their horrible start in the cup competitions. Still, they are in trouble and I wouldn't be surprised if they get relegated in year one after Tuchel.

I kinda like Mainz (I think everyone does :>), but a 2-1 for Paderborn could have made the whole season so much more interesting :/
 
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Reus wasn't even remotely close to 100% imo, I didn't understand why Klopp played him against a 3rd league team when Hofmann had a decent pre season and since he was somewhat poor against them I thought it an even bigger mistake to let him start against Leverkusen (yes - cpt Hindsight reporting in).

Well, my best guess is that Klopp wants to bring Reus back into top shape as quick as possible by giving him competive game time. This is of course a riskier approach as just by training, but it can speed up the process. On top of that even a Reus without top form can still kick very dangerous set pieces, which became a weapon for us more and more in recent years.

I was in the stadium yesterday to kick off the Bundesliga season. I expected a hard game beforehand, because Leverkusen was one of the dangerous teams we could have faced at this point. A team with a good amount of quality in the team, especially the starting XI, which they also could field bar one exception (Lars Bender) and a small amount of WC players, resulting into a rather comfortable pre season for them. We on the other hand were missing our four best build up players (Hummels, Gündogan, Sahin, Kirch) and had no forward alternatives on the bench to throw in because of injuries.

Leverkusen had the best start they could hope for, catching us off guard in the matter of seconds and putting us on the back foot. This played right into Schmidt´s cards who then set up his team to do two things: destroy our offensive play right from the beginning and drive the occasional counter.

They swarmed our central midfield with hard pressing, which impressed some people, but I was not among them. Their energy and work rate were impressive, but overall I thought that their execution was off several times. It was too focused on the ball, which opened up space, which we failed to capitalize on. Very often they also came simply too late and instead for letting up they went for the legs instead of the ball. In that sense this type of pressing is clearly dependent on the leniency of the referee. Ref Aytekin has the reputation of being shy to give out bookings and maybe Coach Schmidt took that into consideration, but when none of the seven tactical fouls get punished you grow frustrated with the ref. With a more strict ref the whole midfield of Leverkusen would have been booked by half time. In total they picked up 28 fouls in the game, which is a staggering number given that the leagues average is somewhere between 30 to 32 for both teams.

I don´t want to put too much on the ref, though, because we clearly did not deserve to win the game. We lacked organisation and precision in our game, especially with the final pass. We did not deserve to lose it either, because we were the better team in the second half. A draw would have been the fairest result, but football is not always fair.

My biggest revelation of the weekend did not come in the stadium, but on the train ride back. Next time I take a good book with me instead of surfing the net with a smart phone. According to several Dortmund "supporter" on the internet, we will need a miracle to place top 4 at the end of the season, all of our summer transfers are trash and too expensive (this includes the Ginter transfer, which was an absolute steal), Klopp has lost his touch with the team and the ideology of our football and DoF Zorc needs to go no questions asked. Its kinda sad when you grow disgusted with parts of your own fanbase and don´t find any motivation anymore to post on boards, where you spend hours of rich discussions only a few years ago. Appearantly success does have a price.
 
@Sphaero Relax mate, just wait till Dortmund wins the next game and everything will be rosy again with the fanbase. Btw how is Gundogan's recovery process progressing? Is he getting fit again and has he lost the extra bit of weight?
 
Bundesliga has cheap tickets? Still true in comparison across europe, but have a look at that graph:

It is showing the price development of the cheapest season ticket over the last 10 years. Average rise of cost of living in that period was 17%.

Nothing to be proud of for some clubs.

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My biggest revelation of the weekend did not come in the stadium, but on the train ride back. Next time I take a good book with me instead of surfing the net with a smart phone. According to several Dortmund "supporter" on the internet, we will need a miracle to place top 4 at the end of the season, all of our summer transfers are trash and too expensive (this includes the Ginter transfer, which was an absolute steal), Klopp has lost his touch with the team and the ideology of our football and DoF Zorc needs to go no questions asked. Its kinda sad when you grow disgusted with parts of your own fanbase and don´t find any motivation anymore to post on boards, where you spend hours of rich discussions only a few years ago. Appearantly success does have a price.
You didn't read the transfermarkt forum after the loss, did you? Or are there any other good Dortmund boards in Germany? All the Bayern boards are awful, truely awful and transfermarkt is flooded with spoilt kiddies, it became unbearable somwhen between 2006 and 2008. Prior to 2006 it was a great football community.

I always found it weird when Dortmund fans painted themselves as the better fan community, especially online. It was always going to happen that success will change that. The same will happen in your stadium over the years, if the club stays at the top. It's a natural development.
 
@Sphaero and anyone else really, I know Reus wasn't fit on Saturday but what do you think about him being played behind the striker rather than on the wing? Is he likely to be as effective there?
Yes and no. I like him a lot in a free roaming 2nd striker role playing off a striker, similar to his brilliant season at Gladbach. I'm not a big fan of him as an AM behind two strikers in a diamond though. That way there's too much creative burden on him and he's too far away from goal.
 
Yes and no. I like him a lot in a free roaming 2nd striker role playing off a striker, similar to his brilliant season at Gladbach. I'm not a big fan of him as an AM behind two strikers in a diamond though. That way there's too much creative burden on him and he's too far away from goal.

Cheers Balu. My probably unfounded worry was that him playing in that role might give him less opportunity to put his speed to good use.
 
Cheers Balu. My probably unfounded worry was that him playing in that role might give him less opportunity to put his speed to good use.
Is there really a big difference between an inverse winger making runs into the box or a 2nd striker doing the same? I don't think Robben as a 2nd striker for Holland in their 532 was really a different player than the inverse winger for Bayern. I'd say as long as Dortmund play pressing/quick transition/counterattacking football, he'll get the chance to use his pace a lot, if he's one of the two attackers in the team playing closest to goal. I'm not sure it can work with 2 central strikers in front of him already occupying the space he wants to run into though.
 
Is there really a big difference between an inverse winger making runs into the box or a 2nd striker doing the same? I don't think Robben as a 2nd striker for Holland in their 532 was really a different player than the inverse winger for Bayern. I'd say as long as Dortmund play pressing/quick transition/counterattacking football, he'll get the chance to use his pace a lot, if he's one of the two attackers in the team playing closest to goal. I'm not sure it can work with 2 central strikers in front of him already occupying the space he wants to run into though.

There's probably not. I guess my logic was that he might have a bit more time and space to accelerate into picking the ball up on the wing rather than as a second striker.
 
There's probably not. I guess my logic was that he might have a bit more time and space to accelerate into picking the ball up on the wing rather than as a second striker.
It was never really a problem at Gladbach, because he just drifted around into open space whereever he could find it. He's also really not bad in crowded areas. A good example during his time at Dortmund would be his brilliant game in the 2-0 win against Real last season:

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That was Dortmund's line-up in the game and pretty much through-out the run in last season when they played their best football last season:
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You didn't read the transfermarkt forum after the loss, did you? Or are there any other good Dortmund boards in Germany? All the Bayern boards are awful, truely awful and transfermarkt is flooded with spoilt kiddies, it became unbearable somwhen between 2006 and 2008. Prior to 2006 it was a great football community.

I always found it weird when Dortmund fans painted themselves as the better fan community, especially online. It was always going to happen that success will change that. The same will happen in your stadium over the years, if the club stays at the top. It's a natural development.

I actually enjoyed it until 2010 or so, but when the big success came the quality of the Dortmund section got worse by the years. The take over by the Springer press was the death blow for a lot of us. There are still around a dozen quality Dortmund poster left there, who somehow try to fight against the shit storm that comes up after every loss, so I do occasionally read there, but I have given up to post there. The discussions are simply not worth the effort.

There is already a certain shift in the stadium compared to lets say five or six years ago. More tourists (neutrals), families, fans from all over Germany like myself and less locals. The atmosphere did not suffer as much as many would think, though. Im comparision to other stadiums the Westfalenstadium has two advantages. The first one is the architecture. While it does not looks really special aside of its size, the arcustic is fantastic, because sound travels really well in there. The other is the very well organized South Standing, which has remained pretty much the same over the last years, because the core are season ticket holders for years and it is actually pretty hard to get tickets there. The "Yellow wall" functions as the root of nearly every song and chant, which then travel from there over the other ranks. What is undisputable is that the dependency on the South has grown over the recent years and if it is silent for one reason or another the other ranks are unable to create any special atmosphere. As Long as the officials don´t change something about this concept the level of the atmosphere won´t drop significantly, eventhough the other ranks will consist of more and more non locals.
 
Totally forgot that you support Mainz. We have a nice mix of German fans here on the Caf at the moment. How do you rate Hjulmand's work so far?
Hard to make a definitive assessment after the few weeks he's been here. Based on his interviews, he definitely seems charming and intelligent. However, there are still a number of issues with the team.

The biggest change in playing style he initiated is an increased focus on short-passing, patient build-up play from the back and less long balls than under Tuchel. I'm not sure whether that's a good idea because our midfielders and central defenders have different strengths and are not the most accomplished short passers. Simple errors in the build-up have cost us a number of goals already, c.f. Paderborn's equaliser where Geis passes to the opponent at the edge of the box who then has a free shot. Another issue is the loss of key players who were our main creators of chances, namely Pospech and his runs down the right and Choupo as a target for long balls and a threat with his dribbling. Müller is also a miss, not because he was particularly great, but because we seem to have no other competent right wingers in the squad so we're playing Brosinski in his position.

On the upside, our attack is pretty strong with Okazaki, Koo and Djuricic who has the look of a fantastic talent. Geis and Baumgartlinger are excellent central midfielders, but they've not played together a whole lot and still need to form a good partnership. Karius is a talented goalkeeper and our options in defence are not too bad.

Hjulmand's biggest challenge for now will be getting the defensive set-up right, our players are out of position too often and the spaces between the players are wrong. Then we need to sort out our silly errors when playing out from the back, maybe bring in a right winger and we're all good. I expect a midtable finish (9th-13th) and will reserve my judgement on Hjulmand until he's had a lot more time with the squad.
 
I see Jedvaj is starting again for Leverkusen tonight in the Champions League. How has he done so far in this new rightback role? And what's up with Donati? Is he injured or just left out completely for being awful in a game and being replaced by Jedvaj? Seems to have disappeared since that happened.
 
I see Jedvaj is starting again for Leverkusen tonight in the Champions League. How has he done so far in this new rightback role? And what's up with Donati? Is he injured or just left out completely for being awful in a game and being replaced by Jedvaj? Seems to have disappeared since that happened.

My 3 lads are on the bench.... AGAIN. Grrrrrrrrrrrr!
 
I see Jedvaj is starting again for Leverkusen tonight in the Champions League. How has he done so far in this new rightback role? And what's up with Donati? Is he injured or just left out completely for being awful in a game and being replaced by Jedvaj? Seems to have disappeared since that happened.
It really looks like those awful 45 minutes in the first leg against Copenhagen cost Donati his place in the first team for now. Haven't seen enough of Jedvaj to comment if he's good enough to play that position longterm for Leverkusen, but he has been solid against Dortmund and Copenhagen so far.