Bundesliga, DFB Cup, and other Bundesliga business 2014/2015

Balu said:
Or not :lol:.



How about someone they've already fired once before instead. Bruno Labbadia is the new manager and gets a 15 months contract (until summer 2016), no matter if they play Bundesliga or 2nd Bundesliga next season.

Hamburg & Stuttgart, I can't tell which club is run worse really. Both deserve to go down for sheer incompetence, it's beyond ridiculous. It's totally incomprehensible how big clubs with a wonderful history and tradition can be run in such an awful way. They should compete for titles.
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Come on HSV must stay in the league for all the drama :lol: The FC Hollywood were nothing against this club!!!

Labbadia as "new" coach again :wenger:
I would put all my money on that he isn't the HSV coach in June 2016
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
I would put all my money on that he isn't the HSV coach in June 2016
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If they go down, I think he will be. He's a decent coach and should get them back to the Bundesliga instantly. If they stay up, he's the wrong coach to take them back where they want to be, then it's likely that he'll be fired during the season.
 
Apparently (German) Sky thinks that Watzke prefers Weinzierl over Tuchel.
 
I don't doubt Tuchel would be a success at Dortmund, but I'd like to see them choose a different option: Paco Jemez. Afaik, he's leaving Rayo in the summer, and I'd like another great possession team to go up against Bayern. :drool:
 
do.ob said:
Apparently (German) Sky thinks that Watzke prefers Weinzierl over Tuchel.
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That would be awful timing, if true. Weinzierl extended his contract until 2019 just 10 days ago. It would be really silly and probably really expensive as well if they tried to buy him out of his new contract now.
 
steve9 said:
Hmm... only now realized it: After a Klopp sabbatical, the Bayern job might be available...
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I'm not sure if Bayern would go for Klopp atm, his football is a bit different from the style they played since van Gaal. Before the current season - maybe, however after his team struggled so much with possession/dominance this season I think he would need prove himself at another club in that regard for them to consider him.

Balu said:
That would be awful timing, if true. Weinzierl extended his contract until 2019 just 10 days ago. It would be really silly and probably really expensive as well if they tried to buy him out of his new contract now.
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I think it would be silly simply because I rate Tuchel a lot higher at the moment and Dortmund singing Tuchel seems the only logical explanation for why he didn't end up at Hamburg.
 
do.ob said:
I'm not sure if Bayern would go for Klopp atm, his football is a bit different from the style they played since van Gaal. Before the current season - maybe, however after his team struggled so much with possession/dominance this season I think he would prove himself at another club in that regard for them to consider him.
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In a year's time Bayern might have to change their style anyway as Robben and Ribery are aging. And Klopp could be perfect to implement a new and exciting system.
 
We'll sign Favre if Pep really decides to leave in 2016 or 2017.
 
I don't think Bayern in their current situation would be tempted by 'exciting' and Klopp's football wouldn't even be that new for them. After all Bayern are capable of playing an excellent pressing themselves too and one might even argue that Bayern's football in the past ~3 years has been a more complete version of Klopp's approach (whether that's because of Klopp himself or because his options were more limited is up for debate).

I rate Favre very highly too, but I doubt he'd be available for Dortmund atm and I'm not sure if he's proven enough for Bayern, it's always been a bit up and down with him and Gladbach.
 
Balu said:
We'll sign Favre if Pep really decides to leave in 2016 or 2017.
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Not so sure. Favre is a great manager, no doubt. But his style was never exciting. While Kloppo's style is real fun. That's important in Munich. My guess is if they could pick one of the two they will go for Klopp.
 
steve9 said:
In a year's time Bayern might have to change their style anyway as Robben and Ribery are aging. And Klopp could be perfect to implement a new and exciting system.
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No. Just simply no. No one dimensional "running is important - who needs passing football".

Klopp is so overrated especially in the british media. The concept works for awhile.
That is something that will not happen. Not after the last years.

The style was never so important in Munich. Favre is Rummenigge's room partner from his time in the Swiss... So, yes, that is something that could happen.
 
Balu said:
That depends more on Bayern declining, which is bound to happen soon. As long as we continue to play 85 points or more seasons, no one will challenge us, but there's no way that we'll keep performing consistently on such a high level. The question is just how soon the cycle for this team will end and how the transition from the Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Ribery, Robben core to the new one works out (injuries will probably be the biggest factor).

We'll see how far Tuchel can go with this team. If Wolfsburg can keep their team together and maybe even strengthen it a bit, they are closer to challenging us than Dortmund. It'll definitely be a fascinating season next year. Gladbach & Wolfsburg should benefit from the CL money and strengthen their teams. Leverkusen & Schalke should be able to invest and strengthen around their strong core of young players and Dortmund even without European football still is the 2nd or 3rd richest club in Germany. They probably need 1 or 2 key players to add something different to the team, Geis replacing Gündogan is defintitely an excellent shout. If they miss out on the Europa League as well, they gain another advantage. Less games did help them a lot in the 2nd halfs of the 10/11 and 11/12 seasons.
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Maybe challenging was too strong a word, but I still think they have the 2nd best squad in Germany right now. Their bench should finish no worse than 6th in Germany.

If they sell Hummels, Immobile and Gundogan they can easily afford Geis, Volland and Firmino. That is definitely the sickest squad besides Bayern.
 
steve9 said:
Not so sure. Favre is a great manager, no doubt. But his style was never exciting. While Kloppo's style is real fun. That's important in Munich. My guess is if they could pick one of the two they will go for Klopp.
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I really like Gladbach's style actually. Such a wonderful, well organised side with a nice balance between possession and directness. It'll be wonderful to watch with even better players.
 
JustFootballFan said:
Maybe challenging was too strong a word, but I still think they have the 2nd best squad in Germany right now. Their bench should finish no worse than 6th in Germany.

If they sell Hummels, Immobile and Gundogan they can easily afford Geis, Volland and Firmino. That is definitely the sickest squad besides Bayern.
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I am not so sure that they have the second best squad in Germany. A lot of the players are players that shone when the system worked and everybody ran for the other - but are not so good individually. Gündogan, Reus and Hummels are the peaches that are still there. Others aren't that special - not that similar players or better ones cannot be found elsewhere in the league.
 
steve9 said:
Not so sure. Favre is a great manager, no doubt. But his style was never exciting. While Kloppo's style is real fun. That's important in Munich. My guess is if they could pick one of the two they will go for Klopp.
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Favre had other worries than being exciting given the limited funds he always had to work with at Gladbach. I'd actually be delighted if he took over once Pep inevitably leaves. Tactical mastermind.

Also, as Balu pointed out, they actually play pretty attractive football at Gladbach. It's not a dazzling display of techniqual brilliance but it makes me wonder what Favre could achieve with a world class squad.
 
JustFootballFan said:
Maybe challenging was too strong a word, but I still think they have the 2nd best squad in Germany right now. Their bench should finish no worse than 6th in Germany.

If they sell Hummels, Immobile and Gundogan they can easily afford Geis, Volland and Firmino. That is definitely the sickest squad besides Bayern.
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Geis surely, especially if they sign Tuchel. Firmino might be too expensive and Volland is overrated imo and I think they already have enough players similar to him.
 
I don't think Geis would be a great replacement for Gündogan. Sahin is their first choice midfielder and he's quite similar to Geis, it would be a bad match.
 
Yes, but right now it seems like everything depends on Sahin, so it makes sense to sign someone similar to him.
 
Actually what Klopp just said during the press conference made some kind of sense. Between the lines he pointed out that Dortmund needs a major change next year. And that whatever they do they would always be compared to his successes in the past, which would be a huge burden moving forward. Hence, he believes the more preferable major change should rather be him being replaced.

Alternatively (and meaner), he didn't want to be the manager who fired half the squad in order to be successful again.
 
Balu said:
I really like Gladbach's style actually. Such a wonderful, well organised side with a nice balance between possession and directness. It'll be wonderful to watch with even better players.
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Sorry but I don't agree. It might be because of the lack of quality in his players, but I don't like Gladbach's style. I have watched a couple of full (!) matches with them, and it doesn't convince me. Just look at the table and you see how few goals they have scored. And whenever they meet a strong opponent they just sit back and park a Mourinho-bus. At Hertha it wasn't nice either and at times he had a good team over there too.
 
do.ob said:
Geis surely, especially if they sign Tuchel. Firmino might be too expensive and Volland is overrated imo and I think they already have enough players similar to him.
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Firmino´s release clause is €20M. That´s peanuts for a player seemingly breaking into the starting 11 of Brazil. 15 for Volland, 10 for Geis and 10 for Horn. That can be recovered just by selling Hummels. They can still thin out their squad. Immobile is likely gone. Maybe Gundogan. That´s likely another €30-40M.
 
JustFootballFan said:
Firmino´s release clause is €20M. That´s peanuts for a player seemingly breaking into the starting 11 of Brazil. 15 for Volland, 10 for Geis and 10 for Horn. That can be recovered just by selling Hummels. They can still thin out their squad. Immobile is likely gone. Maybe Gundogan. That´s likely another €30-40M.
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Really? Are you sure about that? As far as I remember there was a quote from his agent a while back which indicated that interested clubs would have to find an agreement with Hoffenheim.
 
JustFootballFan said:
Firmino´s release clause is €20M. That´s peanuts for a player seemingly breaking into the starting 11 of Brazil. 15 for Volland, 10 for Geis and 10 for Horn. That can be recovered just by selling Hummels. They can still thin out their squad. Immobile is likely gone. Maybe Gundogan. That´s likely another €30-40M.
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Immobile is selling his house in Dortmund, as good as gone.
 
do.ob said:
Really? Are you sure about that? As far as I remember there was a quote from his agent a while back which indicated that interested clubs would have to find an agreement with Hoffenheim.
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Yes. It´s all over the net. €20M this summer in case Hoffenheim don´t qualify for the Champions League.
 
So apparently the entire Bayern Munich medical team has resigned after Pep blamed them for the loss. Hans-Wilhelm Muller-Wohlfahrt, who was the head of the team, is one of the best around.

Welcome back to FC Hollywood.
 
Somehow I'm not surprised that the fight between Pep and our medical staff escalated.
 
The Law of Denis said:
So apparently the entire Bayern Munich medical team has resigned after Pep blamed them for the loss. Hans-Wilhelm Muller-Wohlfahrt, who was the head of the team, is one of the best around.

Welcome back to FC Hollywood.
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That's... What?
 
As a club I think we do a pretty good job of avoiding a lot of this sort of drama that other big clubs suffer from.
 
That's madness. They can only blame themselves for those stupid individual errors. If that's the standard, we should have sacked our medical team already six times in the last 3,4 years.
 
Sometimes you'll see a club go through a really bad stretch of injuries that's just bad luck. I remember our defence was so badly depleted we ended up with Carrick/Fletcher at CB, think in total it was 7 injuries. Obviously Pep's frustrated but doubt he makes much progress with this.
 
We didn't sack them. The club released a statement that they don't even know anything about it and can't comment on the press release from Müller-Wohlfahrt. It's beyond ridiculous, fecking drama queens, all of them.
 
The Bundesliga's off field drama has been top notch entertainment this week. :drool:
 
Balu said:
Certainly better than the performances by German teams.
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The way it is going Low should hide the World Cup trophy. Blatter is probably very close to discover a technicality that will strip Germany of the title. :nervous:
 
Maybe we fire Pep tomorrow and sign Klopp for the next season. That would fit nicely into this week.
 
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