Bundesliga, DFB Cup, and other Bundesliga business 2014/2015

dxadel said:
Has Lewandowski under performed this season?
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Not scored as many as you´d expect, BUT he´s crucial to the success of the team. Cause as much as Pep would like Mueller to play central forward, so he can stick Robbery and Goetze behind, it has proven to completely cripple Mueller and their whole offense. Mueller needs to see the defense in front of him to be effective. Same applies to Germany and being at their best with Klose up front.
 
I think it's one of Bayern's biggest strength that goals come from practically everywhere. Over the left from Ribery and Alaba, through the center from Götze, Lewandowski and Müller and over the right from Robben and than you have defenders like Boateng who are also a threat at corners. While Robben is probably a bit above the rest in terms of goal threat just taking care of him won't assure you won't have a bad day against them. Lewandowski just has to get used not being the main vocal point of the attacking play anymore but just one among half a dozen players who can be a real goal threat.
 
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NoLogo said:
I think it's one of Bayern's biggest strength that goals come from practically everywhere. Over the left from Ribery and Alba, through the center from Götze, Lewandowski and Müller and over the right from Robben and than you have defenders like Boateng who are also a threat at corners. While Robben is probably a bit above the rest in terms of goal threat just taking care of him won't assure you won't have a bad day against them. Lewandowski just has to get used not being the main vocal point of the attacking play anymore but just one among half a dozen players who can be a real goal threat.
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There's the 3rd 'a' missing. It's really important, in terms of quality and in terms of not being a huge cheating cnut, but a very likeably player.
 
Krovv said:
:lol: Although you lot have Robben, who's right up there with Alba.
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Both Robben and Ribery are and I hate their antics, don't think they're as bad as Alba though. Alaba certainly isn't, not the slightest bit, which makes that 3rd 'a' very important.
 
Balu said:
Both Robben and Ribery are and I hate their antics, don't think they're as bad as Alba though. Alaba certainly isn't, not the slightest bit.
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Another important point is that Robben and Ribery are both unreal talents. Alba will never be anywhere close to either in anything but cheating. That's what makes it a real shame though. Such great players feeling the need to cheat.

Alaba I have no complaints against.
 
Balu said:
There's the 3rd 'a' missing. It's really important, in terms of quality and in terms of not being a huge cheating cnut, but a very likeably player.
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Ooops. But well I guess people know what I meant, considering that I was talking about Bayern and not Barca, although they are both FCB in short, well better correct my spelling than. ;)
 
Krovv said:
Another important point is that Robben and Ribery are both unreal talents. Alba will never be anywhere close to either in anything but cheating. That's what makes it a real shame though. Such great players feeling the need to cheat.

Alaba I have no complaints against.
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Many great wingers become divers because they are getting kicked all the time. I am not excusing it and Robben/Ribery can be horrible cnuts, but Alba is on a different level.
 
dxadel said:
Has Lewandowski under performed this season?
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Bayern doesn't really need a classic striker. Which was Gomez' bad luck (along with the fact that allegedly he had troble keeping his fingers off some teammate's GF, but that's another story).
Lewa is required to play very differently than he did at BVB, where he was what modern tacticians call a "wall player" - someone lingering in the middle in front of the opponents defense, receiving long passes, keeping possession of the ball, flicking it wide to the wingers, and being the receiver of their crosses.
At Bayern, his job is to cause confusion in the nmiddle and so keeping a few defenders busy, creating space for Robben, Ribery, Götze and/or Müller, and occasionally supporting them on the wings. And of course scoring the odd goal. For this role, he is better suited than Mandzukic because of his technique, whom i still rate very highly.
 
PedroMendez said:
Many great wingers become divers because they are getting kicked all the time. I am not excusing it and Robben/Ribery can be horrible cnuts, but Alba is on a different level.
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I don't claim to be unbiased toward Robben (or Ribery). I watch them very closely, and the ammount of fouls conducted at them that are never given is enormous, no different from many other top fast attacking players i'm sure. Quite often Robben will go down at a slight challenge, that is true, but very often he has avoided 2-3 more freekick-worthy challenges immediately before that.
 
strongwalker said:
Bayern doesn't really need a classic striker. Which was Gomez' bad luck (along with the fact that allegedly he had troble keeping his fingers off some teammate's GF, but that's another story).
Lewa is required to play very differently than he did at BVB, where he was what modern tacticians call a "wall player" - someone lingering in the middle in front of the opponents defense, receiving long passes, keeping possession of the ball, flicking it wide to the wingers, and being the receiver of their crosses.
At Bayern, his job is to cause confusion in the nmiddle and so keeping a few defenders busy, creating space for Robben, Ribery, Götze and/or Müller, and occasionally supporting them on the wings. And of course scoring the odd goal. For this role, he is better suited than Mandzukic because of his technique, whom i still rate very highly.
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That sounds reasonable, i always wondered why Mandzukic was sold, i rate him(ok...maybe because of FIFA)but he was decent
 
Wendell just scored the 1-0 for Leverkusen against bottom of the table Stuttgart.

edit: Drmic with the second.

@RedSky
 
When i was watching Stuttgart was playing better and missed a clear chance. Then i started watching Valência game which has been a borefest so far

Edit: Leverkusen 2 up
 
strongwalker said:
Bayern doesn't really need a classic striker. Which was Gomez' bad luck (along with the fact that allegedly he had troble keeping his fingers off some teammate's GF, but that's another story).
Lewa is required to play very differently than he did at BVB, where he was what modern tacticians call a "wall player" - someone lingering in the middle in front of the opponents defense, receiving long passes, keeping possession of the ball, flicking it wide to the wingers, and being the receiver of their crosses.
At Bayern, his job is to cause confusion in the nmiddle and so keeping a few defenders busy, creating space for Robben, Ribery, Götze and/or Müller, and occasionally supporting them on the wings. And of course scoring the odd goal. For this role, he is better suited than Mandzukic because of his technique, whom i still rate very highly.
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More like Lewa's finishing has been below par. No excuses should be made for a striker who's not hitting the back of the net despite getting chances. Gome's career at bayern came to an end because he wasn't a lights out finisher. He despite scoring loads of goals was prone to having a match where he just couldn't find the net. For a player who's only value to a team is his goal scoring, such matches frustrated bayern into getting rid.
 
Gomez left because he knew that pep looks for different qualities from a forward. Gomez is a classic poacher - a very good one. Pep just doesnt use this kind of forward. Him leaving had absolutly nothing to do with not being clinical enough.

Mandzukic was good, but Lewandowski is clearly the better fit. He is not the most clinical finisher (never was), but thats not a big deal when there are 3-4 other guys who score on a regular basis. He missed a couple of good chances, but thats not the defining criterion of his performance. He is well integrated, his link-up is good, his workrate is very good and usually he does the right things.
 
Leverkusen just getting it done. They've put together a good team here, atletico are in real trouble.
 
RooneyLegend said:
Leverkusen just getting it done. They've put together a good team here, atletico are in real trouble.
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Stuttgart being just awful certainly helps...

But I have to say that in recent weeks Leverkusen certainly is much more efficient with their chance conversion. They're not so hopeless in front of goal anymore and that is giving them a huge boost.
 
Stuttgart defensive organization? is just awful. They started the game well, outplaying Leverkusen, having a couple of chances but with that defence they will probably get relegated. Is there no better manager than dutch Huub Stevens? How many times do they have to try him out? Germany produces so many good players, is there no better manager than Huub Stevens?
 
I wonder when other clubs will notice Bellarabi's performances. Besides De Bruyne he is the player who made the biggest jump this season. At the moment I don't see a better winger in the league except Ribery, Robben and Reus.
 
Sly said:
Stuttgart defensive organization? is just awful. They started the game well, outplaying Leverkusen, having a couple of chances but with that defence they will probably get relegated. Is there no better manager than dutch Huub Stevens? How many times do they have to try him out? Germany produces so many good players, is there no better manager than Huub Stevens?
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He's already the 3rd manager this season and they also have their 3rd director of football. They probably fire Stevens soon and try something new again, but I doubt they'll survive this time and they really deserve to go down. Years of mismanagement have caught up with them.
 
Balu said:
He's already the 3rd manager this season and they also have their 3rd director of football. They probably fire Stevens soon and try something new again, but I doubt they'll survive this time and they really deserve to go down. Years of mismanagement have caught up with them.
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It looks likely indeed. It´s a pity because i have a bit of simpathy in what regards Stuttgart since one of the biggest past idol from my team Krassimir Balakov played there. I watched them against Hertha as well and they were terrible.
 
LinkesAuge said:
I wonder when other clubs will notice Bellarabi's performances. Besides De Bruyne he is the player who made the biggest jump this season. At the moment I don't see a better winger in the league except Ribery, Robben and Reus.
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You might be right when it means dribblings...

But he is not really effective and somehow a "headless chicken"
 
Blackwidow said:
You might be right when it means dribblings...

But he is not really effective and somehow a "headless chicken"
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Calling him not effective is kinda unfair considering his 15 scores in 25 BL games. He is still rough around the edges and can certainly improve in this area but he really carries Leverkusen's attack at times and is a constant danger to the opponent thus saying he is a headless chicken is over the top, reserve that for someone like Schürrle. Just think about Robben until he came to Bayern, he had very few scorers for a player of his quality. Bellarabi is for me a similar kind of player and already added a lot this season when it comes to his end product and if he can improve that further then he's a potential top player.
 
strongwalker said:
Bayern doesn't really need a classic striker. Which was Gomez' bad luck (along with the fact that allegedly he had troble keeping his fingers off some teammate's GF, but that's another story).
Lewa is required to play very differently than he did at BVB, where he was what modern tacticians call a "wall player" - someone lingering in the middle in front of the opponents defense, receiving long passes, keeping possession of the ball, flicking it wide to the wingers, and being the receiver of their crosses.
At Bayern, his job is to cause confusion in the nmiddle and so keeping a few defenders busy, creating space for Robben, Ribery, Götze and/or Müller, and occasionally supporting them on the wings. And of course scoring the odd goal. For this role, he is better suited than Mandzukic because of his technique, whom i still rate very highly.
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What's all this about then?
 
RocK3T said:
What's all this about then?
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Rumours about Gomez and Schweinsteiger's girlfriend...

I do not know if they are true but there for sure was a rift between Gomez and Schweinsteiger as they once have been biggest friends and then were pretty distant.

Neuer has a financial agreement with his Ex-WAG that guarantees silence - I am pretty sure that Schweinsteiger and Gomez know how to keep out stuff from the press... It is not the time of the Effenbergs and Kahns anymore....
 
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Stuttgart's defending for Leverkusen's first goal was absolutely shocking.......5 mistakes in 8 seconds :wenger:.
Very hard to see that Stuttgart are staying up unless they're sacking Stevens, no win against Eintracht Frankfurt next weekend then i'm sure they're sacking him during the international break.

Bad news for Dortmund that Leverkusen are back in form.
 
The defending for Leverkusen's first goal made Jones and Smalling look like Baresi and Nesta, it's going to take a miracle for Stuttgart to stay up, they look completely devoid of ideas. Leverksuen on the other hand have gotten a second wind and Bellarabi continues to be their stand out for me when I watch them.
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
Stuttgart's defending for Leverkusen's first goal was absolutely shocking.......5 mistakes in 8 seconds :wenger:.
Very hard to see that Stuttgart are staying up unless they're sacking Stevens, no win against Eintracht Frankfurt next weekend then i'm sure they're sacking him during the international break.

Bad news for Dortmund that Leverkusen are back in form.
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Why for Dortmund?
Let's talk realistically - not about utopia...

The first six teams are too far ahead of Dortmund and none of them probably will loose 9 points on Dortmund in 10 matches. Even if Dortmund had some good matches - they probably will loose or draw in some of the next matches, too and will not be able to make a 30-point-run. Already the match against Cologne on the weekend will be a difficult one.

Dortmund has no chance to take a CL-spot - the fourth Gladbach is 12 points ahead and Schalke and Augsburg 9. Even if one of them looses that much points - the other two will not.

But - it is very realistic that they can still get a place in the Europa League. If the Cup winner is already qualified for the CL or the EL it will be the team on rank 7 that will get the spot. The teams fighting for rank 7 right now are Bremen and Hoffenheim with 33 points and Frankfurt with 31. Dortmund has 29.

None of the first 6 teams in the first 7 matches after the winter break lost more than 3 points on Dortmund...

Points in the seven (Leverkusen 8) matches since the winter break (current rank/points in brackets)

Bayern (1st, 61 points), Wolfsburg (2nd, 50 points), Werder Bremen (8th, 33 points) 16 points
Dortmund (11th, 29 points), Leverkusen (3rd, 42 points, one match more), Gladbach (4th, 41 points) 14 points
Schalke (5th, 38 points), Augsburg (6th, 38 points) 11 points
 
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I am pretty sure they do not play in that formation (even if it will be this players)
But Pepe Reina gets his first Bundesliga match and Neuer stayed home.
 
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