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We’ll be lucky to get 3m. Nobody’s going to want his wages.

It seems that my fate is to be among the first to spot something and spend years being shitted upon because of it only to end up defending that same thing when things go overboard on the other way. Yes Rashy is massively overrated by his groupies , he should be sold and he's overpaid. However he's also the same guy who scored 7 goals and made 3 assists in 25 matches which is quite good considering that he is playing in a system that doesn't suit him, with a club that he seem to fell out of love with and in a team that's hardly perfect. Yes his salary is indeed a problem. However its hardly a deal breaker either especially with clubs like PSG, Bayern and Saudi who aren't foreigners to such salaries.

United had always been horrible negotiators. Even at our prime we sold the likes of Becks way below his market value and we basically gifted Phil Neville to Everton. Yet we now have best in class negotiators. If Liverpool can get good money for Fabinho and City can get good money for Alvarez then we can, at least, get 30m for Rashy.
 
Did he do something drastic behind the scenes to warrant such a response from the club?

I won't say it's undeserved but certainly more severe than previous.

Did you not see Ruben's interview? He stated that he would have stated if it was something more serious, but it's simply a case of the player not meeting his or the clubs standards in numerous different aspects on and off the field.
 
Did he do something drastic behind the scenes to warrant such a response from the club?

I won't say it's undeserved but certainly more severe than previous.

He's a senior player whose on 350k a week, who keeps jogging on the pitch and can't put his life on the right lane. The guy had more chances to redeem himself then a sinner who happened to be Jesus neighbor.
 
If Amorim does put him on the pitch some time soon.... I'll be watching his application. If there's a reaction I will not be part of the inevitable pile on. I still want him to turn it around.... Sad the way it seems to be ending.
I agree. The personnel stuff just makes no sense. It is up to the Club and Coaches to determine if he should start, and then up to him tp perform. If he does, then it works out for everyone. If not, then both parties have a decision to make. Throwing personnel abuse does not help anyone.
 
Its a absolute joke to claim he was 'never that good'. He was a super talent that hasn't kicked on as much as we thought he would.

Legitimately embarrassing to even suggest he wasn't a very good player.

Put it this way did he at any point look like he was going to be a well rounded player?

He excelled at what he did and as that was scoring goals it shouldn't be understated but he was never 'super'. He's always looked too limited for that.
 
Did you not see Ruben's interview? He stated that he would have stated if it was something more serious, but it's simply a case of the player not meeting his or the clubs standards in numerous different aspects on and off the field.

This is probably an outright lie or at least a half-truth. There’s absolutely no way that we would have chosen to leave out both Rashford and Garnacho from the match day squad yesterday unless something serious has arisen this week.

Now, possibly the serious incident was Garnacho only and the Rashford decision was in the pipeline but even then you delay it if so. By way of reminder, Rashford has scored 3 of the 7 league goals we’d got under Amorim before yesterday, and is still the top scorer under him. There’s absolutely no way he’s such a problem (on pitch) that you have to make a statement yesterday.
 
I'd be very surprised if he's sold in January, I think next summer is more likely.

It's a real shame it's ending like this, it's sad we've got to this point. I can put up with poor form but his effort levels have been shocking for years. It's completely unacceptable, I'm sick of seeing him walking around the pitch.

I do think it'd be good for everyone if he left. Maybe a new environment gets him back interested because he's looked like he hates football for a long time here.
I was sad when Ronny left, for Rashford I feel nothing.
 
Turn it around? He's 27 and acting and playing like a child.

He's had enough chances to turn it around.
This. He doesn't have the mentality. Just delighted we've finally found a manager who won't settle for mediocrity.
 
It seems that my fate is to be among the first to spot something and spend years being shitted upon because of it only to end up defending that same thing when things go overboard on the other way. Yes Rashy is massively overrated by his groupies , he should be sold and he's overpaid. However he's also the same guy who scored 7 goals and made 3 assists in 25 matches which is quite good considering that he is playing in a system that doesn't suit him, with a club that he seem to fell out of love with and in a team that's hardly perfect. Yes his salary is indeed a problem. However its hardly a deal breaker either especially with clubs like PSG, Bayern and Saudi who aren't foreigners to such salaries.

United had always been horrible negotiators. Even at our prime we sold the likes of Becks way below his market value and we basically gifted Phil Neville to Everton. Yet we now have best in class negotiators. If Liverpool can get good money for Fabinho and City can get good money for Alvarez then we can, at least, get 30m for Rashy.
Yeah I think people are being a bit dramatic with how little he'll fetch on the open market.

I assume 30-40m is the right ballpark. He still has huge name value and is still at a prime age where another club will be willing to take the gamble for that price.
 
I agree. The personnel stuff just makes no sense. It is up to the Club and Coaches to determine if he should start, and then up to him tp perform. If he does, then it works out for everyone. If not, then both parties have a decision to make. Throwing personnel abuse does not help anyone.
Yup its really that simple for me and it's nice to see that some of the fans still feel the same way. No need for posters to be taking this all so personal...
 
The rumoured fee of 40-55m along with his wages, I’m not sure who’s actually going to pay that.
 
Yeah I think people are being a bit dramatic with how little he'll fetch on the open market.

I assume 30-40m is the right ballpark. He still has huge name value and is still at a prime age where another club will be willing to take the gamble for that price.

As said before, I can sympathize with these people as United had always been horrible in transfers. That include in our prime when we were selling proven English internationals like Phil Nev and Nicky Butt for next to nothing. In my opinion that was down to United's absence of a top negotiator with the power to overrule the manager (SAF was untouchable) by asking for a fair price. That shouldn't be a problem now that we've got the likes of Berrada, Wilcox, Hargreaves and co.

That doesn't mean these fans are right. A quick look at the transfer window kind of confirms how wrong they are. For example Smith Rowe moved to Fulham for 32m euros, Nketiah for 30m, Maatsen for 44m, Luiz for 52m, Toney for 42m, Felix for 52m and Rutter for 47m. Some might say its down to them not having a huge salary. Well De Ligt salary was quite high at Bayern yet they still managed to get a good deal out of him while Sancho' was also on a high salary and his career was in tatters but we still managed to get an obligation to buy clause for 25m. Rashy is in a far better position now then Sancho was prior to us selling him.
 
The rumoured fee of 40-55m along with his wages, I’m not sure who’s actually going to pay that.

Those are the early gunshots fired. I bet that we'll sell for 30m + add ons.
 
What is clear is that the new leadership have learned not to care a jot for what people think of them. First the firing of Ashworth, where they surely knew the optics would be bad, and then the exclusion of both Rashford and Garnacho from the matchday squad for application reasons. Now the public transfer listing of Rashford, despite his vociferous support in the media and his role as a leading academy player. The phrase I heard was that they were determined to have unity from top to bottom on a massive raising of standards, and are willing to do whatever is necessary. This is becoming increasingly clear, and despite the softie inside me always wishing Rashford would come good over these last two years, this is clearly the type of ruthlessness necessary to a revolution. There has to be one standard....world class (in terms of ambition and attitude) and anything less, no matter who you are, is unacceptable.

I think we all have the overwhelming feeling that up until now, this concept has only been paid lip service to. We've stuck behind manager's on disciplinary issues, see Ronaldo and Sancho, but these were more symbolic gestures rather than a universal adherence to a new standard; and purely reactionary once the club had already been put in a compromising position. The Rashford, and to a lesser extent, Garnacho stuff, is very proactive.
 
He’s not even good enough to generate all the talk about him. If he’s in or out of the team he doesn’t make enough of a difference to us.

He’s been shite since 21/22 season with the exception of one year where he had 3 month hot streak.

The last time he had two good seasons in a row, Ronaldo was still at Juventus.
 
Shame how things turned out, in an other scenario, we could of had Rashford Greenwood and Sancho leading out attack, three top English players, it would have been something really special. But, things don't always turn out like we would have wanted.

I would say Martial is more of a loss than Sancho, as Martial genuinely looked like he could be one of the best in the world. The Martial that we signed had it all. It's a shame what injuries did to him.

A Martial that wasn't derailed by injuries, a Greenwood that wasn't derailed by being an abuser and a Rashford that wasn't derailed by whatever the hell actually derailed him.

That would really have been something special.
 
What is clear is that the new leadership have learned not to care a jot for what people think of them. First the firing of Ashworth, where they surely knew the optics would be bad, and then the exclusion of both Rashford and Garnacho from the matchday squad for application reasons. Now the public transfer listing of Rashford, despite his vociferous support in the media and his role as a leading academy player. The phrase I heard was that they were determined to have unity from top to bottom on a massive raising of standards, and are willing to do whatever is necessary. This is becoming increasingly clear, and despite the softie inside me always wishing Rashford would come good over these last two years, this is clearly the type of ruthlessness necessary to a revolution. There has to be one standard....world class (in terms of ambition and attitude) and anything less, no matter who you are, is unacceptable.

I think we all have the overwhelming feeling that up until now, this concept has only been paid lip service to. We've stuck behind manager's on disciplinary issues, see Ronaldo and Sancho, but these were more symbolic gestures rather than a universal adherence to a new standard; and purely reactionary once the club had already been put in a compromising position. The Rashford, and to a lesser extent, Garnacho stuff, is very proactive.
All this adds upto nothing if he is back to starting lineup midweek and then put in a stinker.. if he is dropped hope we try out some one from academy and make him fight for his place
 
It's a shame what has happened. But if you set out to destroy a player, don't be surprised if it impacts his confidence.

The whole thing is just sad and I feel like he needs to start again in a different country. I love for him to have a Maguire like renaissance (who himself was affected by speculation about his personality), but I didn't think he quite has the support network H does. Or is mentally as strong as him (which isn't a bad thing).

Can't wait for the day we decide to turn on Kobbie and ruin his career as well
 
Why do wages always have to be a stumbling block. At least that's how it reads here.

Ultimately if a player isn't getting picked, wants to leave, he might have to take a drop. There is that possibility right?

Of course there'll be some players who'll happily sit on the bench and take the money.

Don't see Rashford being one of them though. Not at his age.
 
Who is set out destroy who?
A hit dog will holler, So unless he's talking about you... lets not....

It's pretty clear that a large group have made it their cause to hate on and turn people against Rashford, it baffles me when posters try to talk for everyone and pretend it's all make believe....
 
Those are the early gunshots fired. I bet that we'll sell for 30m + add ons.
Rashford is following footsteps of lingaard pogba martial. All thought they made it n happy to take the salary. No effort...not team players.. and not embracing managers fellow players and fans. Huge salary for near zero product...take a good fee n move on.
 
A hit dog will holler, So unless he's talking about you... lets not....

It's pretty clear that a large group have made it their cause to hate on and turn people against Rashford, it baffles me when posters try to talk for everyone and pretend it's all make believe....
He done all that by himself. The new manager in a matter of weeks has binned him off.
 
It's a shame what has happened. But if you set out to destroy a player, don't be surprised if it impacts his confidence.

The whole thing is just sad and I feel like he needs to start again in a different country. I love for him to have a Maguire like renaissance (who himself was affected by speculation about his personality), but I didn't think he quite has the support network H does. Or is mentally as strong as him (which isn't a bad thing).

Can't wait for the day we decide to turn on Kobbie and ruin his career as well

I've said before, it's one thing wanting a player sold not being good enough etc, but the extreme hate campaign is unbelievable, every sports channel on youtube, twitter, mainstream skyports talk sport running big stories every other day saying he needs to be gone as if he's United's biggest problem . I felt uncomfortable with the Maguire treatment at the time, even though I felt he was not good enough, but the online abuse he received was just pure harassment and abuse and bile and this isn't the first player it's happened to post fergie to blame and scapegoat. I don't believe these campaigns towards individual players who were not good enough under SAF, only Heinze I believe had some backlash when trying to engineer to a Move to Liverpool and rooney when he tried to engineer a move to Man City and Tevez, where you can understand some of the fanaticism due to the tribalism and long driven rivarlies between the clubs is seen as the ultimate betrayal.

But scapegoating and running hate campaigns for long periods on players who simply prove to just not be good enough, an academy player born in the city, is beyond pathetic.

Personally, I believe some takes are coming from pure jealously and hatred when I hear talk about how he drives a Bentley, doesn't dress professionally as if fans have a right to tell grown men how to dress and where they can spend their holidays.

Maybe I'm different because I don't get emotionally attached to the players, or worry about how much money they earn that's ok to mention the wage they're costing the club, plenty of big earners at the club not realistically worth their value but football is littered with players on wages beyond their talent but people want to behave as if Rashford is the first player to be obscene wages, mount can't even keep himself fit and is on up to 300k bonus, and has never actually done anything worthwile at the club, but gets sympathy and rightly so because he doesn't get injured on purpose.

Our fanbase has a real problem with toxicity, we should be trying to support players through the good and the bad unless they do something reprehensible i.e greenwood, not run hate campaigns but social media has got too much power and influence to drive these kind of agenda's to help people realise their anger and discontent with their own lives and project it on to people in the spotlight, especially in sport
 
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I've said before, it's one thing wanting a player sold not being good enough etc, but the extreme hate campaign is unbelievable, every sports channel on youtube, twitter, mainstream skyports talk sport running big stories every other day saying he needs to be gone as if he's United's biggest problem . I felt uncomfortable with the Maguire treatment at the time, even though I felt he was not good enough, but the online abuse he received was just pure harassment and abuse and bile and this isn't the first player it's happened to post fergie to blame and scapegoat. I don't believe these campaigns towards individual players who were not good enough under SAF, only Heinze I believe had some backlash when trying to engineer to a Move to Liverpool and rooney when he tried to engineer a move to Man City and Tevez, where you can understand some of the fanaticism due to the tribalism and long driven rivarlies between the clubs is seen as the ultimate betrayal.

But scapegoating and running hate campaigns for long periods on players who simply prove to just not be good enough, an academy player born in the city, is beyond pathetic.

Personally, I believe some takes are coming from pure jealously and hatred when I hear talk about how he drives a Bentley, doesn't dress professionally as if fans have a right to tell grown men how to dress and where they can spend their holidays.

Maybe I'm different because I don't get emotionally attached to the players, or worry about how much money they earn that's ok to mention the wage they're costing the club, plenty of big earners at the club not realistically worth their value but football is littered with players on wages beyond their talent but people want to behave as if Rashford is the first player to be obscene wages, mount can't even keep himself fit and is on up to 300k bonus, and has never actually done anything worthwile at the club, but gets sympathy and rightly so because he doesn't get injured on purpose.

Our fanbase has a real problem with toxicity, we should be trying to support players through the good and the bad unless they do something reprehensible i.e greenwood, not run hate campaigns but social media has got too much power and influence to drive these kind of agenda's to help people realise their anger and discontent with their own lives and project it on to people in the spotlight, especially in sport
Good post, hope you get promoted
 
I've said before, it's one thing wanting a player sold not being good enough etc, but the extreme hate campaign is unbelievable, every sports channel on youtube, twitter, mainstream skyports talk sport running big stories every other day saying he needs to be gone as if he's United's biggest problem . I felt uncomfortable with the Maguire treatment at the time, even though I felt he was not good enough, but the online abuse he received was just pure harassment and abuse and bile and this isn't the first player it's happened to post fergie to blame and scapegoat. I don't believe these campaigns towards individual players who were not good enough under SAF, only Heinze I believe had some backlash when trying to engineer to a Move to Liverpool and rooney when he tried to engineer a move to Man City and Tevez, where you can understand some of the fanaticism due to the tribalism and long driven rivarlies between the clubs is seen as the ultimate betrayal.

But scapegoating and running hate campaigns for long periods on players who simply prove to just not be good enough, an academy player born in the city, is beyond pathetic.

Personally, I believe some takes are coming from pure jealously and hatred when I hear talk about how he drives a Bentley, doesn't dress professionally as if fans have a right to tell grown men how to dress and where they can spend their holidays.

Maybe I'm different because I don't get emotionally attached to the players, or worry about how much money they earn that's ok to mention the wage they're costing the club, plenty of big earners at the club not realistically worth their value but football is littered with players on wages beyond their talent but people want to behave as if Rashford is the first player to be obscene wages, mount can't even keep himself fit and is on up to 300k bonus, and has never actually done anything worthwile at the club, but gets sympathy and rightly so because he doesn't get injured on purpose.

Our fanbase has a real problem with toxicity, we should be trying to support players through the good and the bad unless they do something reprehensible i.e greenwood, not run hate campaigns but social media has got too much power and influence to drive these kind of agenda's to help people realise their anger and discontent with their own lives and project it on to people in the spotlight, especially in sport

Top post!
 
A summer departure seems likely, and it could be the best move for his career at this stage. An academy graduate who fulfilled the dream of playing for his boyhood club and representing England. As one of the club’s top all-time scorers and a winner of multiple trophies, his contributions are firmly etched in the club’s history.
I prefer this comment above..
I hope he rots in the reserves and is sold in January. We are in the same situation we were with Ronaldo

A primadonna who needs to be ran out of the club
To this comment. This is extreme. Rashford got dropped for not being good enough. That’s it.
 
I've said before, it's one thing wanting a player sold not being good enough etc, but the extreme hate campaign is unbelievable, every sports channel on youtube, twitter, mainstream skyports talk sport running big stories every other day saying he needs to be gone as if he's United's biggest problem . I felt uncomfortable with the Maguire treatment at the time, even though I felt he was not good enough, but the online abuse he received was just pure harassment and abuse and bile and this isn't the first player it's happened to post fergie to blame and scapegoat. I don't believe these campaigns towards individual players who were not good enough under SAF, only Heinze I believe had some backlash when trying to engineer to a Move to Liverpool and rooney when he tried to engineer a move to Man City and Tevez, where you can understand some of the fanaticism due to the tribalism and long driven rivarlies between the clubs is seen as the ultimate betrayal.

But scapegoating and running hate campaigns for long periods on players who simply prove to just not be good enough, an academy player born in the city, is beyond pathetic.

Personally, I believe some takes are coming from pure jealously and hatred when I hear talk about how he drives a Bentley, doesn't dress professionally as if fans have a right to tell grown men how to dress and where they can spend their holidays.

Maybe I'm different because I don't get emotionally attached to the players, or worry about how much money they earn that's ok to mention the wage they're costing the club, plenty of big earners at the club not realistically worth their value but football is littered with players on wages beyond their talent but people want to behave as if Rashford is the first player to be obscene wages, mount can't even keep himself fit and is on up to 300k bonus, and has never actually done anything worthwile at the club, but gets sympathy and rightly so because he doesn't get injured on purpose.

Our fanbase has a real problem with toxicity, we should be trying to support players through the good and the bad unless they do something reprehensible i.e greenwood, not run hate campaigns but social media has got too much power and influence to drive these kind of agenda's to help people realise their anger and discontent with their own lives and project it on to people in the spotlight, especially in sport

This is spot on.

Although it should go without saying that criticising his performances on this place is not the same thing as the targetted harassment/abuse he’s been getting on social media that he actually uses. I’ve always maintained that anyone who seeks out and abuses a footballer on Twitter or Instagram should be ashamed of themselves. That is disgraceful behaviour. But let’s not use criticism of those wankers to shut down discussions on redcafe.
 
I've said before, it's one thing wanting a player sold not being good enough etc, but the extreme hate campaign is unbelievable, every sports channel on youtube, twitter, mainstream skyports talk sport running big stories every other day saying he needs to be gone as if he's United's biggest problem . I felt uncomfortable with the Maguire treatment at the time, even though I felt he was not good enough, but the online abuse he received was just pure harassment and abuse and bile and this isn't the first player it's happened to post fergie to blame and scapegoat. I don't believe these campaigns towards individual players who were not good enough under SAF, only Heinze I believe had some backlash when trying to engineer to a Move to Liverpool and rooney when he tried to engineer a move to Man City and Tevez, where you can understand some of the fanaticism due to the tribalism and long driven rivarlies between the clubs is seen as the ultimate betrayal.

But scapegoating and running hate campaigns for long periods on players who simply prove to just not be good enough, an academy player born in the city, is beyond pathetic.

Personally, I believe some takes are coming from pure jealously and hatred when I hear talk about how he drives a Bentley, doesn't dress professionally as if fans have a right to tell grown men how to dress and where they can spend their holidays.

Maybe I'm different because I don't get emotionally attached to the players, or worry about how much money they earn that's ok to mention the wage they're costing the club, plenty of big earners at the club not realistically worth their value but football is littered with players on wages beyond their talent but people want to behave as if Rashford is the first player to be obscene wages, mount can't even keep himself fit and is on up to 300k bonus, and has never actually done anything worthwile at the club, but gets sympathy and rightly so because he doesn't get injured on purpose.

Our fanbase has a real problem with toxicity, we should be trying to support players through the good and the bad unless they do something reprehensible i.e greenwood, not run hate campaigns but social media has got too much power and influence to drive these kind of agenda's to help people realise their anger and discontent with their own lives and project it on to people in the spotlight, especially in sport
Brilliant post!
 
Rashford is the first player to be obscene wages, mount can't even keep himself fit and is on up to 300k bonus, and has never actually done anything worthwile at the club, but gets sympathy and rightly so because he doesn't get injured on purpose.

Difference is that when Mount plays you can't question his commitment, work rate, and tactical intelligence. Rashford has not worked hard out of possession for years, across a number of different managers. Mount's issues and shortcomings at United have virtually nothing in common with Rashford's own struggles over the same period of time.

When you won't participate in the less glamorous parts of the game then you damn sure better deliver end product and he has been atrocious in that capacity for the better part of 2 calendar years at this point.

Personal abuse and targeted hate campaigns are awful, but they're also inevitable for an underperforming high earner at a major club like Manchester United who constantly looks like he's sulking and is visibly not working hard.
 
Whether it's here or elsewhere, I hope he sorts himself out and gets back on track....

He's a person that no matter how much he makes and where he plays, has had to deal with excessive scrutiny, criticism and abuse... who I remember as being a good hearted kid that seemed to have the right mindset... If (as we are being told) he has lost touch with that part of himself, it's a sad thing.

The optimist that I am I think the ball is in his court and if he has any embers of a flame still burning this can be his opportunity to spark himself back to life. Standards set, master stroke from Amorim, and Garnacho/Rashford feeling like new signings.... morale at a 10 year high and haters in the mud.......

feck any one of you who tries to burst my bubble!
 
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Our fanbase has a real problem with toxicity, we should be trying to support players through the good and the bad unless they do something reprehensible
I don't really agree that our fanbase has some unique problem of toxicity. We have a bigger fanbase and hence media/social media talk about our players more than anything. It drives engagement in social media. Which leads to seeing more criticism about our players than other club players.

Also the online abusers do that because the law is inadequate or under-resourced to tackled the anonymity of the internet. In other words, the probability of facing an actual consequence for online abuse is very low. I wouldn't say all the online abusers are disgruntled fans.

Not saying you are doing it, but I disagree with bringing up online abusers every time someone criticizes Rashy on caf. Those are two different things.

football is littered with players on wages beyond their talent but people want to behave as if Rashford is the first player to be obscene wages, mount can't even keep himself fit and is on up to 300k bonus, and has never actually done anything worthwile at the club
Disagree with the whataboutery. This is similar to all the Pogba discussion years back. Why does Pogba get more stick when player XYZ doesn't. Not everyone is measured with the same yardstick. The expectation from Pogba was much higher than any other midfielder. He was supposed to be really good most of the time. McTominay could blow hot and cold.
Besides nobody believes Mount was a good signing or a big signing. Almost everyone already knows that the player and Chelsea were robbing us blind and the management was mad to accept that offer.
 
If you think this is toxic, I think it will become much worse if he is in the team occasionally, and playing like he did vs Victoria Plzen, in comes summer time. Winter transfer might be the best thing all around, as his legacy here, however doubtful to some may be, will be ruined if he is here till the summer.

This drop seems to me like a wake-up call so that he puts on some performances come summertime so that he has at least some value. Because the stories are grim.

 
Difference is that when Mount plays you can't question his commitment, work rate, and tactical intelligence. Rashford has not worked hard out of possession for years, across a number of different managers. Mount's issues and shortcomings at United have virtually nothing in common with Rashford's own struggles over the same period of time.

When you won't participate in the less glamorous parts of the game then you damn sure better deliver end product and he has been atrocious in that capacity for the better part of 2 calendar years at this point.

Personal abuse and targeted hate campaigns are awful, but they're also inevitable for an underperforming high earner at a major club like Manchester United who constantly looks like he's sulking and is visibly not working hard.

Not every player is instructed to be an energy bunny, that's the type of player mount is. Not every player is going to run their lungs out like Ji Sung Park. And I highly doubt with all that running around Mount does
if he will ever reach 138 goals for this club if he stays for the same period of time as Rashford

Besides that I've seen rashford track back numerous times under Amorim. There was a game when he came on as sub in europe, and apparently didn't put the work in, fine. Ive seen garnacho throw strops when not starting and Ronaldo. Under Ten Hag, I think he wanted Rashford to be high up to play and play off the shoulder of the defender because Ten hag wanted the fast transition football, and was aware Rashford was at his best in that system dropping off the defenders shoulder. Mbappe had that role at PSG, so did Neymar, you will never see them track back due to instructions because they are not energy bunny players they'd be instructed to conserve their energy for counter attack transitions to make use of their explosive pace.

And I'm in no way comparing rashford's ability to those players, just explaining to you every player has a different type of individual instructions depending on the manager and style of player. Amorim, is clearly not happy with Rashford's performances hence he's been dropped and now rashford looks to have lost his explosive pace so probably he has little use an amorim system which depends on all players being workhorses, because maybe maybe he might just not be physically and mentally up to task. Which is not unusual and is not a crime from the player that deserves the whole entire nation to believe he's the sole reason as to why Man unite have been shite for the last 10 years.

We don't even know if injuries have affected him, since he was playing through injuries under Ole, with double stress facture the same with Martial, who's body eventually broke down and became injury prone player. He was another supposedly toxic ''lazy;'' player who needed ridding and then everything would be sunshine and roses once he was gone.

Your argument falls apart anyway because when Maguire was being targeted he was running his socks off and outside of the Greece incident, he was a model professional, didn't turn up late, there was an agenda against him because one social media fan channel set a narrative that British players were being protected and so the huge backlash set in motion because he was an easy target. Maguire's crime was not running, it was simply just making calamity mistakes and suffered from confidence issues and playing under a rookie manager who was underqualified for the job and it still didn't protect him from harassment, bullying and even death threats.

Abuse is not inevitable because it's clearly targeted towards easy targets and quite frankly It's not innocently toxic, it's dangerous for the players and their families who witness all this and have to deal with this in their private lives.. You would think this club is a military base where a individuals performance is dependant on someone's life being saved or killed. It's a sport.

I've seen Luka Shaw multiple times not bother to bust a gut to track his runner and he's an actual defender. I've seen shaw be reported to be overweight to pre season, even Mourinho questioned his mentality. Last season he declared himself not fit for united, then suddenly became available for England duty for the euros, some could say putting the national team ahead of man utd. I've yet to see various media outlets run a campaign saying he needs to be sold, even though he's also on obscene wages but if all the scapegoats left who were easy targets, his head will be on the line next.

I stopped caring about players salaries, when players started getting 100k a week. I remember the days when 50k a week was considered obscene, Personally I don't believe none of these footballers deserve those kind of sums, but through brands, marketing, social media, every one is getting big pay days and not just in Football.

i can see the other side oft he coin with the frustration from our supporters of catching on to the many years of Rashford's inconsistencies not being called out and it's a release for some fans who feel vindicated, who felt his goal tally was covering up his poor overall performances from the days of Ole. But the crap about his body language, dress sense, what he drives, where he goes on holiday in his free time, is agenda driven hatred and jealously not to mention the bold racism he's faced from our very own fanbase.

The same scrutiny happened with Pogba, Martial, they would run and be the clubs talisman bailing us out but in brief periods of the game you'd see them jogging or have bad games where nothing is working and it would get clipped up everywhere to drive a narrative that they were lazy players who didn't care about the club and then we heard stories about they're lifestyle, body language, jewellery, relatives, agents, and all kinds of bs to run a hate campaign .
 
Your argument falls apart anyway because when Maguire was being targeted he was running his socks off and outside of the Greece incident, he was a model professional, didn't turn up late, there was an agenda against him because one social media fan channel set a narrative that British players were being protected and so the huge backlash set in motion because he was an easy target. Maguire's crime was not running, it was simply just making calamity mistakes and suffered from confidence issues and playing under a rookie manager who was underqualified for the job and it still didn't protect him from harassment, bullying and even death threats.

My argument isn't that abuse doesn't happen or that hard work means it won't, but it absolutely gives you a better chance to avoid constantly getting hammered, especially when you're failing to deliver on your primary function (scoring+creating goals) like Marcus has for a long time.
Not every player is instructed to be an energy bunny, that's the type of player mount is. Not every player is going to run their lungs out like Ji Sung Park. And I highly doubt with all that running around Mount does
if he will ever reach 138 goals for this club if he stays for the same period of time as Rashford

I don't know how any of this is relevant. I didn't claim he needs to be Ji-Sung Park or that Mount is going to bang in 138 goals for us like Rashford has. I think Mount just works harder and smarter on the pitch in various positions than Rashford whose entire value is dependent on his output in attack, which has been awful for a long time now all while being a complete non-entity defensively. And Mount has faced plenty of criticism and slander.
Mbappe had that role at PSG, so did Neymar, you will never see them track back due to instructions because they are not energy bunny players they'd be instructed to conserve their energy for counter attack transitions to make use of their explosive pace.

Those players are afforded that luxury because of their production. When Rashford produces you can live with his lack of any defensive application. That hasn't been the case for awhile at a time when he's supposed to be leading our attack.
Abuse is not inevitable because it's clearly targeted towards easy targets and quite frankly It's not innocently toxic, it's dangerous for the players and their families who witness all this and have to deal with this in their private lives.. You would think this club is a military base where a individuals performance is dependant on someone's life being saved or killed. It's a sport.

Top earners at big clubs who don't produce will inevitably be targeted, but not all criticism is wrong or targeted. I don't care about Rashford going to New York on break or what cars he has or what he wears, etc. That stuff is irrelevant and it is to me about any player. What matters is your play on the pitch and he's been awful for a long time now. He's going to face criticism for it, especially in light of being a top earner at one of the biggest clubs in the world.
 
Provided we don't ask for too much, I think we'll be able to sell him, whether now or in the summer.

Sancho's stock was low and clearly unwanted yet we he got a loan to Dortmund and a loan made permanent move to Chelsea. We won't have a clubs lining up but I wouldn't worry too much about us not being able to get rid of him.