[FrankWhite]

What I find peculiar is the collective push that appears is being fed from the club that he needs to leave.
What's the end goal for the such move?
This is a player they already struggled to move on last summer.
They must know that putting out disparaging information about him makes the goal of selling him more difficult.

I personally don't believe there's a scenario where Rashford turns it around enough to provide value for money. His lack of professionalism is a habit he'll struggle to break and even if he does, he's just not a good fit for any role in the system. He simply has to leave, end of story.

With that in mind, my conclusion is the club has given up on making good money from selling him due to the lack of suitors and are now focused on getting as much cultural currency by making an example out of him.

 

[Ludens the Red]

I've said before, it's one thing wanting a player sold not being good enough etc, but the extreme hate campaign is unbelievable, every sports channel on youtube, twitter, mainstream skyports talk sport running big stories every other day saying he needs to be gone as if he's United's biggest problem . I felt uncomfortable with the Maguire treatment at the time, even though I felt he was not good enough, but the online abuse he received was just pure harassment and abuse and bile and this isn't the first player it's happened to post fergie to blame and scapegoat. I don't believe these campaigns towards individual players who were not good enough under SAF, only Heinze I believe had some backlash when trying to engineer to a Move to Liverpool and rooney when he tried to engineer a move to Man City and Tevez, where you can understand some of the fanaticism due to the tribalism and long driven rivarlies between the clubs is seen as the ultimate betrayal.

But scapegoating and running hate campaigns for long periods on players who simply prove to just not be good enough, an academy player born in the city, is beyond pathetic.

Personally, I believe some takes are coming from pure jealously and hatred when I hear talk about how he drives a Bentley, doesn't dress professionally as if fans have a right to tell grown men how to dress and where they can spend their holidays.

Maybe I'm different because I don't get emotionally attached to the players, or worry about how much money they earn that's ok to mention the wage they're costing the club, plenty of big earners at the club not realistically worth their value but football is littered with players on wages beyond their talent but people want to behave as if Rashford is the first player to be obscene wages, mount can't even keep himself fit and is on up to 300k bonus, and has never actually done anything worthwile at the club, but gets sympathy and rightly so because he doesn't get injured on purpose.

Our fanbase has a real problem with toxicity, we should be trying to support players through the good and the bad unless they do something reprehensible i.e greenwood, not run hate campaigns but social media has got too much power and influence to drive these kind of agenda's to help people realise their anger and discontent with their own lives and project it on to people in the spotlight, especially in sport

Your post is getting likes and what nots and im not going to express any thoughts on Rashford. But I think your post and the reaction to it is really telling about how people consume their social media nowadays, and in my opinion a subconscious deep rooted desire to consume and read negativity.

i can hand on heart say I spend very little time reading your bog standard comments off places like X and Instagram. I tend to only read opinions of actual people.
I read this forum but don’t feel there’s any significant opinions about Rashford that are heavily skewed towards one side. He’s playing badly at the minute so criticism will be more but you’ll still have plenty defending him. And for all the criticism I only notice a handful of posters speaking completely out of turn.

And I’m absolutely not having that any of these opinion pieces by Neville, Carragher etc constitute as any sort of agenda or narrative against Rashford. He got off very lightly from pundits for over two years despite garbage performances. With blame being placed on team mates, managers or him not playing as a ‘9’. Sports channels are running pieces on Rashford because he got dropped from the squad for a Manchester derby not because there’s some hatred of him from the media. They’re also constantly running stories on Guardiola and how boring and shit arsenal are.

I genuinely think some of you need to have a look at what you’re doing with your social media consumption. I’m seeing words and phrases like ‘hate campaigns’ ‘scapegoating’ ‘harassment’ and I’m like “what” “where”.
I genuinely do not think it’s a case of me living in a bubble but rather I think a lot of you have been sucked into this cesspit of social media dross and negativity. Where you subconsciously filter out positivity and just constantly feed negativity into your brains.

And all this stuff about how it’s United fans who are just so toxic. Do people think “supporters” of other clubs don’t have morons on social media abusing their players etc.
I mean you’ve had three sets of fanbases at actual games recently abusing their managers/players to their faces. Wolves, Southampton and Spurs. To the point there was acknowledgement and confrontation from the staff of all the clubs. Now I don’t recall too many if any incidents towards Rashford or anyone else at games with United to that level. What I have seen however is United get beaten 3-0 at home multiple times and sit 13th in the table and be applauded off by home fans.

Honestly at some point as a civilisation we’re gonna have to stop placing so much of our energy into what random trolls from all over the world type over the internet on a cesspit shithole of a platform like X , which is run by one of the biggest and most vile hateful cnuts you’re ever likely to see. Or what fecking talksport are talking about.

You’re talking about Rooney, Tevez and Heinze not being as bad. Well guess what people didn’t do 10-15 years ago?? Obsess over social media platforms and the comments on them. Nor where there thousands of trolls looking for and successfully getting a reaction for some ott shit they say.

Im rambling but seriously just get off x, get off Instagram. Actually go to some games at old Trafford and away from home and you’ll realise it’s not so bad with ACTUAL REAL people.

 

[bosnian_red]

It's a sad situation, as I have no doubt that he loves the club and would want nothing more than to stay here his whole career. For whatever reason though he can't quite get going, mentally, motivation, confidence, pressure, fitness, who knows what. For his own career and well being he should find a new club in the summer just to start fresh and be in different surroundings. Guy just needs a reset.

 

[InspiRED]

Not every player is instructed to be an energy bunny, that's the type of player mount is. Not every player is going to run their lungs out like Ji Sung Park. And I highly doubt with all that running around Mount does
if he will ever reach 138 goals for this club if he stays for the same period of time as Rashford

Besides that I've seen rashford track back numerous times under Amorim. There was a game when he came on as sub in europe, and apparently didn't put the work in, fine. Ive seen garnacho throw strops when not starting and Ronaldo. Under Ten Hag, I think he wanted Rashford to be high up to play and play off the shoulder of the defender because Ten hag wanted the fast transition football, and was aware Rashford was at his best in that system dropping off the defenders shoulder. Mbappe had that role at PSG, so did Neymar, you will never see them track back due to instructions because they are not energy bunny players they'd be instructed to conserve their energy for counter attack transitions to make use of their explosive pace.

And I'm in no way comparing rashford's ability to those players, just explaining to you every player has a different type of individual instructions depending on the manager and style of player. Amorim, is clearly not happy with Rashford's performances hence he's been dropped and now rashford looks to have lost his explosive pace so probably he has little use an amorim system which depends on all players being workhorses, because maybe maybe he might just not be physically and mentally up to task. Which is not unusual and is not a crime from the player that deserves the whole entire nation to believe he's the sole reason as to why Man unite have been shite for the last 10 years.

We don't even know if injuries have affected him, since he was playing through injuries under Ole, with double stress facture the same with Martial, who's body eventually broke down and became injury prone player. He was another supposedly toxic ''lazy;'' player who needed ridding and then everything would be sunshine and roses once he was gone.

Your argument falls apart anyway because when Maguire was being targeted he was running his socks off and outside of the Greece incident, he was a model professional, didn't turn up late, there was an agenda against him because one social media fan channel set a narrative that British players were being protected and so the huge backlash set in motion because he was an easy target. Maguire's crime was not running, it was simply just making calamity mistakes and suffered from confidence issues and playing under a rookie manager who was underqualified for the job and it still didn't protect him from harassment, bullying and even death threats.

Abuse is not inevitable because it's clearly targeted towards easy targets and quite frankly It's not innocently toxic, it's dangerous for the players and their families who witness all this and have to deal with this in their private lives.. You would think this club is a military base where a individuals performance is dependant on someone's life being saved or killed. It's a sport.

I've seen Luka Shaw multiple times not bother to bust a gut to track his runner and he's an actual defender. I've seen shaw be reported to be overweight to pre season, even Mourinho questioned his mentality. Last season he declared himself not fit for united, then suddenly became available for England duty for the euros, some could say putting the national team ahead of man utd. I've yet to see various media outlets run a campaign saying he needs to be sold, even though he's also on obscene wages but if all the scapegoats left who were easy targets, his head will be on the line next.

I stopped caring about players salaries, when players started getting 100k a week. I remember the days when 50k a week was considered obscene, Personally I don't believe none of these footballers deserve those kind of sums, but through brands, marketing, social media, every one is getting big pay days and not just in Football.

i can see the other side oft he coin with the frustration from our supporters of catching on to the many years of Rashford's inconsistencies not being called out and it's a release for some fans who feel vindicated, who felt his goal tally was covering up his poor overall performances from the days of Ole. But the crap about his body language, dress sense, what he drives, where he goes on holiday in his free time, is agenda driven hatred and jealously not to mention the bold racism he's faced from our very own fanbase.

The same scrutiny happened with Pogba, Martial, they would run and be the clubs talisman bailing us out but in brief periods of the game you'd see them jogging or have bad games where nothing is working and it would get clipped up everywhere to drive a narrative that they were lazy players who didn't care about the club and then we heard stories about they're lifestyle, body language, jewellery, relatives, agents, and all kinds of bs to run a hate campaign .

Good post, I agree with the vast majority of this and it’s sad to feel you should even reiterate that the toxicity is pretty disgusting, but social media has changed the world and probably not for the better as this is a new phenomenon where disgruntled people get a dopamine hit from engaging in nasty behaviour, especially if it fetches a couple of hundred likes. Nevertheless, I disagree that the body language, specifically, is irrelevant to discussion of his status as a Man Utd player, and this was specifically referenced by Amorim. Body language reveals a lot about ability to cooperate, to be part of a team.

The best counter to the toxicity is just make it about the club, as Amorim tried to do post march. This isn’t personal, you’re not a bad person, but if you can’t meet the standards required for the club then in the end we will all lose. If you play here, want to win stuff and keep the legend going then you probably should be waking up thinking about it every day, 100% committed and ready to suffer for the cause. There’s no shame in not meeting those standards as plenty of players haven’t but someone else quoted a great line for this ‘this bus doesn’t wait’.

In the end, this is just bad executive management, because sanity would have overseen a different trajectory that rewarded certain metrics of performance with a commensurate salary. Throw in the benevolence of the school meals thing, followed by more confusing relationship with PR and celebrity, and you seem to have the mess we have now. What more would you expect as top-down standards from a club owned by speculators who bought the club, using literally nothing but debt.

I hope Rashford is ok and finds something better or whatever he wants to do, and any personal, nasty abuse stops as it achieves absolutely nothing and has no productive value whatsoever. On his day he can be a monster player, but maybe he doesn’t have the right mentality to be a monster player the 80% of the time that we need from him (given his status in the team hierarchy). There is no problem with not meeting that standard, that standard is rare!

 

[rebornsoull]

He was never the same after that penalty miss for England in Euro 2020 and the abuse he gotten, its like he saw an ugly side of football and fell out of love with the game because he knew no matter how well he did, one mistake and he will be crucified. He never had to deal with that sort of thing in his career up until that point.

Its sad how bad he's become now, he needs a reset and I think its best for both parties to part ways now.

 

[lex talionis]

I stay off social media except for a few sites like this and YouTube so I don't know what I'm missing with the hate campaign, but I join those who are concerned about Rashford's attitude.

But on the broader point about social media, less of it is better for your mental health and overall well being.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Your post is getting likes and what nots and im not going to express any thoughts on Rashford. But I think your post and the reaction to it is really telling about how people consume their social media nowadays, and in my opinion a subconscious deep rooted desire to consume and read negativity.

i can hand on heart say I spend very little time reading your bog standard comments off places like X and Instagram. I tend to only read opinions of actual people.
I read this forum but don’t feel there’s any significant opinions about Rashford that are heavily skewed towards one side. He’s playing badly at the minute so criticism will be more but you’ll still have plenty defending him. And for all the criticism I only notice a handful of posters speaking completely out of turn.

And I’m absolutely not having that any of these opinion pieces by Neville, Carragher etc constitute as any sort of agenda or narrative against Rashford. He got off very lightly from pundits for over two years despite garbage performances. With blame being placed on team mates, managers or him not playing as a ‘9’. Sports channels are running pieces on Rashford because he got dropped from the squad for a Manchester derby not because there’s some hatred of him from the media. They’re also constantly running stories on Guardiola and how boring and shit arsenal are.

I genuinely think some of you need to have a look at what you’re doing with your social media consumption. I’m seeing words and phrases like ‘hate campaigns’ ‘scapegoating’ ‘harassment’ and I’m like “what” “where”.
I genuinely do not think it’s a case of me living in a bubble but rather I think a lot of you have been sucked into this cesspit of social media dross and negativity. Where you subconsciously filter out positivity and just constantly feed negativity into your brains.

And all this stuff about how it’s United fans who are just so toxic. Do people think “supporters” of other clubs don’t have morons on social media abusing their players etc.
I mean you’ve had three sets of fanbases at actual games recently abusing their managers/players to their faces. Wolves, Southampton and Spurs. To the point there was acknowledgement and confrontation from the staff of all the clubs. Now I don’t recall too many if any incidents towards Rashford or anyone else at games with United to that level. What I have seen however is United get beaten 3-0 at home multiple times and sit 13th in the table and be applauded off by home fans.

Honestly at some point as a civilisation we’re gonna have to stop placing so much of our energy into what random trolls from all over the world type over the internet on a cesspit shithole of a platform like X , which is run by one of the biggest and most vile hateful cnuts you’re ever likely to see. Or what fecking talksport are talking about.

You’re talking about Rooney, Tevez and Heinze not being as bad. Well guess what people didn’t do 10-15 years ago?? Obsess over social media platforms and the comments on them. Nor where there thousands of trolls looking for and successfully getting a reaction for some ott shit they say.

Im rambling but seriously just get off x, get off Instagram. Actually go to some games at old Trafford and away from home and you’ll realise it’s not so bad with ACTUAL REAL people.

Great post

 

[BombayBadBoy]

Your post is getting likes and what nots and im not going to express any thoughts on Rashford. But I think your post and the reaction to it is really telling about how people consume their social media nowadays, and in my opinion a subconscious deep rooted desire to consume and read negativity.

i can hand on heart say I spend very little time reading your bog standard comments off places like X and Instagram. I tend to only read opinions of actual people.
I read this forum but don’t feel there’s any significant opinions about Rashford that are heavily skewed towards one side. He’s playing badly at the minute so criticism will be more but you’ll still have plenty defending him. And for all the criticism I only notice a handful of posters speaking completely out of turn.

And I’m absolutely not having that any of these opinion pieces by Neville, Carragher etc constitute as any sort of agenda or narrative against Rashford. He got off very lightly from pundits for over two years despite garbage performances. With blame being placed on team mates, managers or him not playing as a ‘9’. Sports channels are running pieces on Rashford because he got dropped from the squad for a Manchester derby not because there’s some hatred of him from the media. They’re also constantly running stories on Guardiola and how boring and shit arsenal are.

I genuinely think some of you need to have a look at what you’re doing with your social media consumption. I’m seeing words and phrases like ‘hate campaigns’ ‘scapegoating’ ‘harassment’ and I’m like “what” “where”.
I genuinely do not think it’s a case of me living in a bubble but rather I think a lot of you have been sucked into this cesspit of social media dross and negativity. Where you subconsciously filter out positivity and just constantly feed negativity into your brains.

And all this stuff about how it’s United fans who are just so toxic. Do people think “supporters” of other clubs don’t have morons on social media abusing their players etc.
I mean you’ve had three sets of fanbases at actual games recently abusing their managers/players to their faces. Wolves, Southampton and Spurs. To the point there was acknowledgement and confrontation from the staff of all the clubs. Now I don’t recall too many if any incidents towards Rashford or anyone else at games with United to that level. What I have seen however is United get beaten 3-0 at home multiple times and sit 13th in the table and be applauded off by home fans.

Honestly at some point as a civilisation we’re gonna have to stop placing so much of our energy into what random trolls from all over the world type over the internet on a cesspit shithole of a platform like X , which is run by one of the biggest and most vile hateful cnuts you’re ever likely to see. Or what fecking talksport are talking about.

You’re talking about Rooney, Tevez and Heinze not being as bad. Well guess what people didn’t do 10-15 years ago?? Obsess over social media platforms and the comments on them. Nor where there thousands of trolls looking for and successfully getting a reaction for some ott shit they say.

Im rambling but seriously just get off x, get off Instagram. Actually go to some games at old Trafford and away from home and you’ll realise it’s not so bad with ACTUAL REAL people.

The Rashford you're defending chronically posts on Twitter himself / media team - wicked P.R & has done for several years now.
'I tend to only read opinions of actual people' - if it's online then you best believe agents.. & P.R teams are present everywhere including this blog. If you mean n person then.. fine.
'Well guess what people didn’t do 10-15 years ago'. ....Remember people went out physically to "hung" David Beckham back in the day before social media - so yeah those 'extremity' did not begin with
Twitter.

This is very simple. Rashford is simply a liability now & no one who wants the best for the team would have him anywhere near the first 11 regularly. Ask rivals if they would take play him, & we haven't even got to his salary.
People are fed up with the lack of effort. There's only one person than can fix that & it's Rashford himself, not sorry posts like this.

Want an example turnaround? See Harry Maguire.
You're intermingling philosophy with the football game. I hear your beef with the toxicity of social media.. There are complex things out there to converse about but anyone with eyes will tell you Rashy is washed. Good football & footballers (hard working at that) are needed & there's no reason why Rashford gets a pass. No one gets a pass.

 

[Escobar]

Marcus PRashford

 

[EireRed_GS]

Its a shame its come to this, I hope he kick starts his career elsewhere. He has too much talent to go down the Lingard route.

I dont buy into this "people have been out to destroy him" line though. Yes, theres undoubtably been some cretins on socials and some content creators who go too far and change their opinions and agenda's as much as they change their clothes, but I wouldnt say anyone at all was out to destroy him from the start. Some people are jst clueless morons on socials. thats noise you shut out, dont take on comments from idiots. Thats stuff is always over the top. Its when you hear pundits & respected people in football telling you that you need to do better, maybe you should take a look at yourself then.

From my experience going to the games, everyone has always wanted him to do well. But for all us that have been behind him, the faith in him has slowly been chipped away at us the last two years watching him. Its not a sudden change of opinion like you hear on socials, I've noticed the mood and attitude towards him slowly change in the ground over time, and its not like its unwarranted. Watching performances like we have and an attitude of someone who seemingly doesnt care/ couldnt be arsed, it's eventually going to piss people off. Especially when your aware how much they are being paid every friday for doing so. The effort and desire has just been shockingly minimal at times. There was a few games toward the back end of last season where i was just baffled he was being selected. But always still wanted him to do well. Its just so disappointing when you see what your actually getting.

For me towards the end of last season made my mind up his time was up. I really hoped with the new manager he would spring to life to impress, he scored a couple but hasnt looked great overall at all. Im kind of glad though its being addressed so soon (for all players), as quite a few players got away with murder last season with some brutal performances just to be on the team sheet the week after.

He has done enough for the club to leave on good terms, hopefully he gets that and does well. Sort out whatever the hell is going on in his head.

 

[JediSith]

What I find peculiar is the collective push that appears is being fed from the club that he needs to leave.
What's the end goal for the such move?
This is a player they already struggled to move on last summer.
They must know that putting out disparaging information about him makes the goal of selling him more difficult.

I personally don't believe there's a scenario where Rashford turns it around enough to provide value for money. His lack of professionalism is a habit he'll struggle to break and even if he does, he's just not a good fit for any role in the system. He simply has to leave, end of story.

With that in mind, my conclusion is the club has given up on making good money from selling him due to the lack of suitors and are now focused on getting as much cultural currency by making an example out of him.

I was thinking about this after someone else posed the same question. My only conclusion is “comfort”. INEOS have found a player who has become so comfortable at United, then been made to feel so important that this is the only way they can hammer it home.

 

[jem]

Your post is getting likes and what nots and im not going to express any thoughts on Rashford. But I think your post and the reaction to it is really telling about how people consume their social media nowadays, and in my opinion a subconscious deep rooted desire to consume and read negativity.

i can hand on heart say I spend very little time reading your bog standard comments off places like X and Instagram. I tend to only read opinions of actual people.
I read this forum but don’t feel there’s any significant opinions about Rashford that are heavily skewed towards one side. He’s playing badly at the minute so criticism will be more but you’ll still have plenty defending him. And for all the criticism I only notice a handful of posters speaking completely out of turn.

And I’m absolutely not having that any of these opinion pieces by Neville, Carragher etc constitute as any sort of agenda or narrative against Rashford. He got off very lightly from pundits for over two years despite garbage performances. With blame being placed on team mates, managers or him not playing as a ‘9’. Sports channels are running pieces on Rashford because he got dropped from the squad for a Manchester derby not because there’s some hatred of him from the media. They’re also constantly running stories on Guardiola and how boring and shit arsenal are.

I genuinely think some of you need to have a look at what you’re doing with your social media consumption. I’m seeing words and phrases like ‘hate campaigns’ ‘scapegoating’ ‘harassment’ and I’m like “what” “where”.
I genuinely do not think it’s a case of me living in a bubble but rather I think a lot of you have been sucked into this cesspit of social media dross and negativity. Where you subconsciously filter out positivity and just constantly feed negativity into your brains.

And all this stuff about how it’s United fans who are just so toxic. Do people think “supporters” of other clubs don’t have morons on social media abusing their players etc.
I mean you’ve had three sets of fanbases at actual games recently abusing their managers/players to their faces. Wolves, Southampton and Spurs. To the point there was acknowledgement and confrontation from the staff of all the clubs. Now I don’t recall too many if any incidents towards Rashford or anyone else at games with United to that level. What I have seen however is United get beaten 3-0 at home multiple times and sit 13th in the table and be applauded off by home fans.

Honestly at some point as a civilisation we’re gonna have to stop placing so much of our energy into what random trolls from all over the world type over the internet on a cesspit shithole of a platform like X , which is run by one of the biggest and most vile hateful cnuts you’re ever likely to see. Or what fecking talksport are talking about.

You’re talking about Rooney, Tevez and Heinze not being as bad. Well guess what people didn’t do 10-15 years ago?? Obsess over social media platforms and the comments on them. Nor where there thousands of trolls looking for and successfully getting a reaction for some ott shit they say.

Im rambling but seriously just get off x, get off Instagram. Actually go to some games at old Trafford and away from home and you’ll realise it’s not so bad with ACTUAL REAL people.

This is a fantastic post.

 

[jem]

W

The Rashford you're defending chronically posts on Twitter himself / media team - wicked P.R & has done for several years now.
'I tend to only read opinions of actual people' - if it's online then you best believe agents.. & P.R teams are present everywhere including this blog. If you mean n person then.. fine.
'Well guess what people didn’t do 10-15 years ago'. ....Remember people went out physically to "hung" David Beckham back in the day before social media - so yeah those 'extremity' did not begin with
Twitter.

This is very simple. Rashford is simply a liability now & no one who wants the best for the team would have him anywhere near the first 11 regularly. Ask rivals if they would take play him, & we haven't even got to his salary.
People are fed up with the lack of effort. There's only one person than can fix that & it's Rashford himself, not sorry posts like this.

Want an example turnaround? See Harry Maguire.
You're intermingling philosophy with the football game. I hear your beef with the toxicity of social media.. There are complex things out there to converse about but anyone with eyes will tell you Rashy is washed. Good football & footballers (hard working at that) are needed & there's no reason why Rashford gets a pass. No one gets a pass.

Where in that person’s post did you find a defence of Rashford? If anything, I found it to be a rebuke of those who claim he is target of widespread hate from real fans, as opposed to from online trolls who traffic in the currency of toxicity.

 

[NinjaZombie]

I would say Martial is more of a loss than Sancho, as Martial genuinely looked like he could be one of the best in the world. The Martial that we signed had it all. It's a shame what injuries did to him.

A Martial that wasn't derailed by injuries, a Greenwood that wasn't derailed by being an abuser and a Rashford that wasn't derailed by whatever the hell actually derailed him.

That would really have been something special.

I've watched United for 30 years, so I was too young to really evaluate the Class of 92 when they came out. Greenwood was the surest thing. The only one who looked like he belonged immediately. Richardson, Eagles, Cleverley, Chadwick, Rashford looked like youth team players playing the senior game when they broke through. Greenwood immediately looked like he belonged. He always looked like he had time on the ball, like Mainoo, except with elite finishing.

It's a shame what happened to him.

 

[Amsterdam Devil]

Who will ever buy him with that salary? Will be really difficult to get rid of him.

 

[AndySmith1990]

Your post is getting likes and what nots and im not going to express any thoughts on Rashford. But I think your post and the reaction to it is really telling about how people consume their social media nowadays, and in my opinion a subconscious deep rooted desire to consume and read negativity.

i can hand on heart say I spend very little time reading your bog standard comments off places like X and Instagram. I tend to only read opinions of actual people.
I read this forum but don’t feel there’s any significant opinions about Rashford that are heavily skewed towards one side. He’s playing badly at the minute so criticism will be more but you’ll still have plenty defending him. And for all the criticism I only notice a handful of posters speaking completely out of turn.

And I’m absolutely not having that any of these opinion pieces by Neville, Carragher etc constitute as any sort of agenda or narrative against Rashford. He got off very lightly from pundits for over two years despite garbage performances. With blame being placed on team mates, managers or him not playing as a ‘9’. Sports channels are running pieces on Rashford because he got dropped from the squad for a Manchester derby not because there’s some hatred of him from the media. They’re also constantly running stories on Guardiola and how boring and shit arsenal are.

I genuinely think some of you need to have a look at what you’re doing with your social media consumption. I’m seeing words and phrases like ‘hate campaigns’ ‘scapegoating’ ‘harassment’ and I’m like “what” “where”.
I genuinely do not think it’s a case of me living in a bubble but rather I think a lot of you have been sucked into this cesspit of social media dross and negativity. Where you subconsciously filter out positivity and just constantly feed negativity into your brains.

And all this stuff about how it’s United fans who are just so toxic. Do people think “supporters” of other clubs don’t have morons on social media abusing their players etc.
I mean you’ve had three sets of fanbases at actual games recently abusing their managers/players to their faces. Wolves, Southampton and Spurs. To the point there was acknowledgement and confrontation from the staff of all the clubs. Now I don’t recall too many if any incidents towards Rashford or anyone else at games with United to that level. What I have seen however is United get beaten 3-0 at home multiple times and sit 13th in the table and be applauded off by home fans.

Honestly at some point as a civilisation we’re gonna have to stop placing so much of our energy into what random trolls from all over the world type over the internet on a cesspit shithole of a platform like X , which is run by one of the biggest and most vile hateful cnuts you’re ever likely to see. Or what fecking talksport are talking about.

You’re talking about Rooney, Tevez and Heinze not being as bad. Well guess what people didn’t do 10-15 years ago?? Obsess over social media platforms and the comments on them. Nor where there thousands of trolls looking for and successfully getting a reaction for some ott shit they say.

Im rambling but seriously just get off x, get off Instagram. Actually go to some games at old Trafford and away from home and you’ll realise it’s not so bad with ACTUAL REAL people.

Great post.

You can spot an active twitter user on here a mile off, as they'll spew out things like "haters" and "scapegoating" so casually as if it's a normal part of how adults converse and share opinions

 

[Alemar]

Who will ever buy him with that salary? Will be really difficult to get rid of him.

Also depends on what he wants. Maybe he would prefer to earn less but to play on a regular basis, with a chance to return to England NT. Good performances would then lead to additional PR contracts to offset salary loss.

Another option might be to be a part of U-21 team till the end of the contract, doing nothing and degrading as a player (and losing PR attractiveness)

 

[The Serpent]

Your post is getting likes and what nots and im not going to express any thoughts on Rashford. But I think your post and the reaction to it is really telling about how people consume their social media nowadays, and in my opinion a subconscious deep rooted desire to consume and read negativity.

i can hand on heart say I spend very little time reading your bog standard comments off places like X and Instagram. I tend to only read opinions of actual people.
I read this forum but don’t feel there’s any significant opinions about Rashford that are heavily skewed towards one side. He’s playing badly at the minute so criticism will be more but you’ll still have plenty defending him. And for all the criticism I only notice a handful of posters speaking completely out of turn.

And I’m absolutely not having that any of these opinion pieces by Neville, Carragher etc constitute as any sort of agenda or narrative against Rashford. He got off very lightly from pundits for over two years despite garbage performances. With blame being placed on team mates, managers or him not playing as a ‘9’. Sports channels are running pieces on Rashford because he got dropped from the squad for a Manchester derby not because there’s some hatred of him from the media. They’re also constantly running stories on Guardiola and how boring and shit arsenal are.

I genuinely think some of you need to have a look at what you’re doing with your social media consumption. I’m seeing words and phrases like ‘hate campaigns’ ‘scapegoating’ ‘harassment’ and I’m like “what” “where”.
I genuinely do not think it’s a case of me living in a bubble but rather I think a lot of you have been sucked into this cesspit of social media dross and negativity. Where you subconsciously filter out positivity and just constantly feed negativity into your brains.

And all this stuff about how it’s United fans who are just so toxic. Do people think “supporters” of other clubs don’t have morons on social media abusing their players etc.
I mean you’ve had three sets of fanbases at actual games recently abusing their managers/players to their faces. Wolves, Southampton and Spurs. To the point there was acknowledgement and confrontation from the staff of all the clubs. Now I don’t recall too many if any incidents towards Rashford or anyone else at games with United to that level. What I have seen however is United get beaten 3-0 at home multiple times and sit 13th in the table and be applauded off by home fans.

Honestly at some point as a civilisation we’re gonna have to stop placing so much of our energy into what random trolls from all over the world type over the internet on a cesspit shithole of a platform like X , which is run by one of the biggest and most vile hateful cnuts you’re ever likely to see. Or what fecking talksport are talking about.

You’re talking about Rooney, Tevez and Heinze not being as bad. Well guess what people didn’t do 10-15 years ago?? Obsess over social media platforms and the comments on them. Nor where there thousands of trolls looking for and successfully getting a reaction for some ott shit they say.

Im rambling but seriously just get off x, get off Instagram. Actually go to some games at old Trafford and away from home and you’ll realise it’s not so bad with ACTUAL REAL people.

You got me wrong, I don't seek out social media for negativity and neither do I spend my time on the cesspit that is twitter, I don't even know how to use it, I'm only registered to it so I can see certain content I really don't have time for it other than looking at the latest exclusives from certified sources, which is where on here it gets posted. The likes of tier 1 sources or agents who have verified connections with the club and players and what they are really doing behind the scences is only the things I'm interested in. Mainstream media unfortunately has fallen behind getting exclusives so it's a sorry estate of affairs that we know how to rely on platforms like twitter. And unfortunately for the last few months, every time I try to seek out news on Manchester United, it's flooded with comments about rashford, whether it's sky sports, twitter, youtube, and even on here when he doesn't even start, he's name is on top of the page.

As for neville, he was trying to stir up trouble with rashford before amorim even managed a game, calling into question rashford's decision to take a holiday to the states, when he was given 5 days off by the club and asking amorim in his first Sky sports Interview about slying leading him to trying to get him to throw rashford under the bus. The media are very clever and they know how to drive and spoon feed people narratives but I have a gift to see through to BS and I will always call it out

Sports news are not running stories because he got dropped, garnacho also didn't start against city. This has been brewing for a while now and they've been waiting for this moment to destroy Rashford's reputation. The media always build them up then throw them to the dogs. Saying that I don't disagree he's been protected, I acknowledged that already and accepted it's a release for certain fans to feel vindicated who never rated him to begin with. Salute to them

As for the words scapegoat, hate campaign, harassment these phrases existed long before the conception of social media into the days of biblical times. I don't get influenced by social media otherwise I would be joining in to pile it in on the guy, I'm just fully aware of what goes on with our club who if you didn't know actively encourages our players to promote themselves through social media. The club actually do audits for social media to see which players get the most interactions hence why Amad even though he is our best player, is not marketed heavily by the club because he's not really a big social media whore .

I make no apologises for using the words harassment, scapegoat when there really isn't any other words to describe the situation if you look up the very definition of the terms, When you have guys like Joey Barton given a platorm to put in his two cents and being able to question Rashford's professionalism and attitude and dress code and being praised for it then there are no other words. This is a man who deliberately elbowed Pedro Mendes for no reason at all, and stomped on a guy on the field and his brother jailed, now is encouraged to give judgement on players who have never acted as thuggish and unprofessional as him on and off the field

As for incidents with rashford, he's been called out for a fight after a match, a fan channel approached him who has been on his case for ages, called him a disgrace because he didn't shake his hand because he had backstage access and was waiting for every player to acknowledge him like a overgrown fan boy. A fan marched on to the pitch once to confront Paul Pogba in his last season with us during the days when Souness had a personal vendetta against him, so don't tell me what happens through social media doesn't filter through to the grounds.

My entire point is to highlight how social media influences people's opinion, I've seen posts in here talking about his wages, his dress code, and how he drives a Bentley so obviously it's filtering through to this forum also. Obviously the majority of posters on here are sensible and I enjoy reading their points because it's football related and have no issue with any criticisms towards Rashford's performances, but then I feel even when he does perform well some posters want to down play it. Even when he hasn't started he's get blasted

And twitter was around during the rooney asking for a transfer request and flirting with city, that's why goons went round to his house and confronted him. The same thing happened with Steven Gerrard when he flirted with the idea of moving to Chelsea.

I don't loiter on twitter, istagram, etc I value my privacy too much to be and don't have the time to be countering all the cesspit braindead posts on there and it's even worse now with Elon Mask letting anyone be monetised even if they post pure hate speech and filth

 

[Scanny]

Your post is getting likes and what nots and im not going to express any thoughts on Rashford. But I think your post and the reaction to it is really telling about how people consume their social media nowadays, and in my opinion a subconscious deep rooted desire to consume and read negativity.

i can hand on heart say I spend very little time reading your bog standard comments off places like X and Instagram. I tend to only read opinions of actual people.
I read this forum but don’t feel there’s any significant opinions about Rashford that are heavily skewed towards one side. He’s playing badly at the minute so criticism will be more but you’ll still have plenty defending him. And for all the criticism I only notice a handful of posters speaking completely out of turn.

And I’m absolutely not having that any of these opinion pieces by Neville, Carragher etc constitute as any sort of agenda or narrative against Rashford. He got off very lightly from pundits for over two years despite garbage performances. With blame being placed on team mates, managers or him not playing as a ‘9’. Sports channels are running pieces on Rashford because he got dropped from the squad for a Manchester derby not because there’s some hatred of him from the media. They’re also constantly running stories on Guardiola and how boring and shit arsenal are.

I genuinely think some of you need to have a look at what you’re doing with your social media consumption. I’m seeing words and phrases like ‘hate campaigns’ ‘scapegoating’ ‘harassment’ and I’m like “what” “where”.
I genuinely do not think it’s a case of me living in a bubble but rather I think a lot of you have been sucked into this cesspit of social media dross and negativity. Where you subconsciously filter out positivity and just constantly feed negativity into your brains.

And all this stuff about how it’s United fans who are just so toxic. Do people think “supporters” of other clubs don’t have morons on social media abusing their players etc.
I mean you’ve had three sets of fanbases at actual games recently abusing their managers/players to their faces. Wolves, Southampton and Spurs. To the point there was acknowledgement and confrontation from the staff of all the clubs. Now I don’t recall too many if any incidents towards Rashford or anyone else at games with United to that level. What I have seen however is United get beaten 3-0 at home multiple times and sit 13th in the table and be applauded off by home fans.

Honestly at some point as a civilisation we’re gonna have to stop placing so much of our energy into what random trolls from all over the world type over the internet on a cesspit shithole of a platform like X , which is run by one of the biggest and most vile hateful cnuts you’re ever likely to see. Or what fecking talksport are talking about.

You’re talking about Rooney, Tevez and Heinze not being as bad. Well guess what people didn’t do 10-15 years ago?? Obsess over social media platforms and the comments on them. Nor where there thousands of trolls looking for and successfully getting a reaction for some ott shit they say.

Im rambling but seriously just get off x, get off Instagram. Actually go to some games at old Trafford and away from home and you’ll realise it’s not so bad with ACTUAL REAL people.

I could not have expressed this any better.
I deleted Twitter in 2017 and have ever since reduced and reduced my time on social media.

It’s done me the world of good and most of the time I’m blissfully unaware of what a load of attention-seeking hate-filled trolls are banging on about.

 

[zenith]

I honestly believe he's got a future here, under this manager. With some application he can make that left sided no. 10 role his own. The man still has his pace and trickery along with an eye for goal. Really hoping he add sorts himself out soon

 

[Rolaholic]

Marcus Rashford had a day off today so he returned to his old primary school, Button Lane, south Manchester, and handed out 420 Christmas presents to all the pupils. It was a long-planned event, eliciting delight from the children. One boy scarcely more than four years old, had a special message for the Manchester United striker. “Thank you for the food as well, Marcus.”

Rashford will leave United one day, possibly in the January window given the mood music inside Carrington, but his influence will remain with many children across the country following his ongoing work tackling child food poverty. “It was emotional to hear that, 100%,” Rashford told me of the four-year-old’s words of thanks. “I don’t like to see kids go through what I went through growing up so as many kids as I can help I will. That's why the programme needs to go on for as long as possible and it needs to keep improving.”

Wherever you stand on the Rashford debate, and he certainly generates headlines, he has been a force for good in so many children’s lives. One of the Button Lane teachers said that Rashford’s present will be the only one some of the 420 kids receive this Christmas. Another pointed through the window to the 3G five-a-side Rashford funded.

Some balance is required in the current Rashford debate. I was shown some of the DMs he receives on a regular basis and they are utterly despicable. There are rumours of a lack of professionalism. “I do feel misunderstood but I’m fine with it. I’m a very simple person. I love football. That’s been my life from the beginning.”

At 27, and having scored 138 goals in 426 appearances for United (and 17 in 60 for England), Rashford remains a huge talent, and will be in demand, possibly from Spain, when he leaves United. Yes, he could do more on the field, certainly out of possession. Yes, he was dropped from Sunday’s match-day squad against Manchester City by Ruben Amorim, who questioned his application in training. “It’s disheartening to be left out of a Derby,” Rashford replied, “but it’s happened, we won the game so let's move on. It’s disappointing but I’m also someone as I’ve got older I can deal with setbacks. What am I going to do about it? Sit there and cry about it. Or do my best the next time I’m available.”

He awoke this morning to headlines detailing United’s desire to sell him. I ask Rashford if he’s staying or going? “For me, personally, I think I'm ready for a new challenge and the next steps.” All of his words were prefaced with respect for the club which has been his home for almost 20 years. “When I leave it's going to be ‘no hard feelings’. You’re not going to have any negative comments from me about Manchester United. That’s me as a person.

"If I know that a situation is already bad I'm not going to make it worse. I've seen how other players have left in the past and I don't want to be that person. When I leave I'll make a statement and it will be from me.” From the heart as he’ll always be a Red? “Yes! 100%. 100%.”

He’s 27, peak time for a player, combining experience and athleticism, and he should be embedded in a team, creating an even bigger legacy. “I’m halfway through my career,” Rashford replies. “I don’t expect my peak to be now. I've had nine years so far in the Premier League and that’s taught me a lot, that’s helped me grow as a player and as a person. So I don't have any regrets from the last nine years. I won’t have any regrets going forward because I take things day by day and sometimes bad things happen, sometimes good things happen. I just try and keep a fine balance.” The best is yet to come? “100%. That's my mentality.”

He craves an England return and chance of making the 2026 World Cup. “That still excites me. It's playing for your country in the biggest competition in the world. I've had the chance to do it before (Russia 2018 and Qatar 2022) and it's an unbelievable experience. If I got the opportunity again, I'll try and grab it with both hands.”

Even though he has scored three times for Amorim, the new head coach’s 3-4-2-1 system does not appear to suit Rashford. The player himself makes a point about his adaptability, whether left wing, No 9 or No 10. “I have traits to play in all three positions. Some positions are more natural to me, some positions I have to train more and do a bit more tactical (work). The left side suits me the best.” But Amorim doesn’t play 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. He plays with two 10s. “The left 10 still suits me but you have to adapt your game. The biggest skill-set is adaptability. People might not see it but eventually they'll see I’ve played in plenty of different positions under all the managers.”

If his days under Amorim look numbered, Rashford will pursue his dreams elsewhere. The last time Rashford returned to Button Lane, he was asked by a young girl “what’s your biggest achievement?” He replied, “I haven't achieved it yet.”

That attitude echoes his love of “Relentless”, the book by the American mindset guru Tim Grover. Rashford’s not fallen out of love with football, he’s still aspiring to achieve things in the sport that’s his world. “Definitely, regardless of what gets said about me I have my own dreams. I’ve achieved parts of it. But I’m not at where I want to be. But the problem is when you get there, you create another thing. It’s a cycle that never stops. There’s not really an end point.”

Just the pursuit of excellence. Rashford needs to intensify that pursuit. He has the talent. And it looks like that talent will move away from #MUFC. He will still return to Button Lane. Marcus Rashford won’t forget where he came from. Nor will he forget United.

Very in depth.

Fair play to him for the self awareness and perspective.

As much as I feel he could very well have a future under the new manager, I still feel a change might be for the best at this moment. Both for him and the club.

 

[Swiss_Red89]

Very in depth.

Fair play to him for the self awareness and perspective.

As much as I feel he could very well have a future under the new manager, I still feel a change might be for the best at this moment. Both for him and the club.

Will always love him. Was my favorite United player since his EL Debut in 2016.
Would have loved for him to become an absolute United Legend. But somewhere on the way something went wrong. Hard to tell what exactly.

I also think it's best for all parties that we part way in January or Summer and Rashford gets a new challenge. Will definitely wish him all the very best.

 

[Vidooq]

Wow, I guess the penny has dropped.

 

[Godfather]

I honestly believe he's got a future here, under this manager. With some application he can make that left sided no. 10 role his own. The man still has his pace and trickery along with an eye for goal. Really hoping he add sorts himself out soon

Don't see him in that role at all

 

[NotChatGPT]

Very in depth.

Fair play to him for the self awareness and perspective.

As much as I feel he could very well have a future under the new manager, I still feel a change might be for the best at this moment. Both for him and the club.

Some self awareness, som lack of it. The attitude stuff, relentless, isn’t exactly something he’s displayed on the pitch.

 

[Posh Red]

Very in depth.

Fair play to him for the self awareness and perspective.

As much as I feel he could very well have a future under the new manager, I still feel a change might be for the best at this moment. Both for him and the club.

The part about the DM’s doesn’t surprise me, having read this thread over the last couple seasons.

 

[Rolaholic]

The part about the DM’s doesn’t surprise me, having read this thread over the last couple seasons.

Even that being said, that's got nothing on the bile that exists on social media...

Why I'd hire someone to handle that stuff full time if ever I gained notoriety, can't be good for your mental waking up to that stuff every day

 

[NotChatGPT]

The part about the DM’s doesn’t surprise me, having read this thread over the last couple seasons.

Do you think it’s different for most professional footballers at this level?

 

[Rolaholic]

Will always love him. Was my favorite United player since his EL Debut in 2016.
Would have loved for him to become an absolute United Legend. But somewhere on the way something went wrong. Hard to tell what exactly.

I also think it's best for all parties that we part way in January or Summer and Rashford gets a new challenge. Will definitely wish him all the very best.

I was upset when Ravel left, when Pogba left the first time, I’m always going to be upset when academy guys leave and I don’t think we saw their full potential. That’s how it should be for a club prided upon youth, courage and success.

Of course there’s times when the fault of not reaching said potential falls with the player but I’ll still always be a bit sad over how things turn out.

 

[Posh Red]

Do you think it’s different for most professional footballers at this level?

Do I think all pros get the same level of abuse as he does? No, I don’t.

 

[Godfather]

Do I think all pros get the same level of abuse as he does? No, I don’t.

To be honest he doesn't have to be on these shithole platforms. Especially Twitter nowadays.

 

[jasT1981]

Wow, I guess the penny has dropped.

Yup, he knows he is gone.

 

[Posh Red]

To be honest he doesn't have to be on these shithole platforms. Especially Twitter nowadays.

I agree, and I hate those sites. Unfortunately, 99% of players seem to feel the need to use them.

 

[Posh Red]

Even that being said, that's got nothing on the bile that exists on social media...

Why I'd hire someone to handle that stuff full time if ever I gained notoriety, can't be good for your mental waking up to that stuff every day

Oh for sure. The level of nastiness surrounding him on this forum is quite extraordinary at times, so I can only imagine how bad it gets on there.

 

[NotChatGPT]

Do I think all pros get the same level of abuse as he does? No, I don’t.

That’s not what i asked either. I said professionals at this level.

 

[Desert Eagle]

Will always love him. Was my favorite United player since his EL Debut in 2016.
Would have loved for him to become an absolute United Legend. But somewhere on the way something went wrong. Hard to tell what exactly.

I also think it's best for all parties that we part way in January or Summer and Rashford gets a new challenge. Will definitely wish him all the very best.

Absolutely. It's the right time to move on but there doesn't have to be any bitterness or hard feelings. He gave us some great moments and won a few trophies along the way.

 

[Shady]

Makes the club position in negotiatons with other clubs weaker. But good riddance. Has been horrible for 3 of the last 4 seasons. Among the worst in a horrible team.

 

[Godfather]

I agree, and I hate those sites. Unfortunately, 99% of players seem to feel the need to use them.

Then I fear they will have to deal with it. Talking about it won't change anything. People leaving the platforms for the vile shit that is posted there piblically or via DMs is the only thing that will.

 

[Posh Red]

That’s not what i asked either. I said professionals at this level.

I don’t really see your point? I’m quite confident he gets an extraordinary level of abuse on the internet. I think it started ramping up since the vile racist abuse he received after the England penalty miss, and has continued since then.

 

[Desert Eagle]