[SouthernRedDev]

I cant see Marcus raising his game, the passion looks to be long gone, you can drop him as much as you like it's doubtful it will inspire him, he may actually prefer not beig in the spotlight and the abuse that comes with it, he'll collect his wage and continue to ho through the motions.

 

[FrankDrebin]

I will be absolutely amazed if he gets his head down and starts producing consistently good quality football from here on in.
I think the best that will happen is he'll put in a few decent performances here and there, and will largely be in rotation will other players, but he will be fundamentally moved on in the summer.

I can't see a long-term role for him under Ruben.
He can't play as a wingback. He's not technically gifted to play as a 10 and he's not got a great all round game to play as a centre forward.

 

[stepic]

Rashford knows he can’t play this system, he’s just not up to it technically. If he has any sense he will ask to leave.

 

[Real Name]

So if I got it right from Ruben's presser he Marcus didnt put enough effort?

 

[Von Mistelroum]

There's no way Rashford will suddenly start putting in the effort. He's far more likely to completely spit out his dummy and double-down.

I imagine Garnacho will be the same, they're both very immature and they both encapsulate what's been wrong at this club for a long time, along with (ironically) their fellow wingers Sancho and Lingard.

The even deeper problem is that it doesn't really matter. Neither Rashford or Garnacho can work in this system. They can't play #10 as they're not creative enough, they can't play wing back as they can't pass well, have poor vision, are too greedy and can't tackle.

 

[devilish]

Richards is a grade A moron. fecking idiot enabler

Who can relate to an overrated player with decent talent but with an unmatching attitude better then Micah Richards? The guy was a Rashford before Rashford even existed

 

[kouroux]

There's no way Rashford will suddenly start putting in the effort. He's far more likely to completely spit out his dummy and double-down.

I imagine Garnacho will be the same, they're both very immature and they both encapsulate what's been wrong at this club for a long time, along with (ironically) their fellow wingers Sancho and Lingard.

The even deeper problem is that it doesn't really matter. Neither Rashford or Garnacho can work in this system. They can't play #10 as they're not creative enough, they can't play wing back as they can't pass well, have poor vision, are too greedy and can't tackle.

I have hope for Garnacho, he is far younger. There is a chance, Rashford needs to feck off

 

[girish]

Obvious why he was dropped: Amorim doesn’t seem the kind of manager who you can kid or fool.

Saying that I genuinely don’t see a place for him in this team and system. Even if he did work his socks off.
He isn’t a lone number 9, he can’t play as a ten in this system because it’s a role that requires quick movement, close control and being able to play decisively in tight spaces. Something he hasn’t ever really been good at.

The only possible role I could see his RWB, as he’s quick and has a good cross on him but his ego would never allow him to play such a role.

Has to be sold for his own sake.

And wingbacks being such an important role for Amorim's style/formation, I'm sure we won't see Rashford there, especially because of his shortcomings; and laziness. He may still get games if he gets off his ass and work hard; and that's probably in the left sided no 10 role.

 

[BarstoolProphet]

I have hope for Garnacho, he is far younger. There is a chance, Rashford needs to feck off

Yeah. With Garnacho I think it's more important to make him a impact sub in the short-term as he's struggling with being a starter at the moment. I mean, he can't even pull of a single dribble like he used to when he started playing for the first team. Noticed during the Ipswich game that he lost the ball and wanted to sulk like he usually does, then he suddenly remembered he was playing under Amorim now and started chasing the ball and tracking back.

 

[fergiewherearethou]

He has no desire or ambition anymore, talent is just not enough at this level. We've tried talent for 11 years and look where we are.
This is mostly a lesson for others(Garnacho), for Rashford there is nothing to learn.

 

[HookedOnAPhelan]

Clearly Amorim doesn't think it's completely irrelevant how one dresses.

 

[Strachan8]

Who can relate to an overrated player with decent talent but with an unmatching attitude better then Micah Richards? The guy was a Rashford before Rashford even existed

TBF to Rashford his football achievements are on another level to those of Richards. On this point, theyshoukdnt be mentioned in the same breath.

 

[JE-365]

For a senior player from the academy graduated to be dropped from the squad in a Manchester derby due to training performance is not a good sign. This shows that he hasn’t set the right standard and the right example for the young players. He might be 27, but he acts like he’s still 20 years old.

 

[Ronaldo's Love Child]

So if I got it right from Ruben's presser he Marcus didnt put enough effort?

Yes and Ruben doesn't like the way Marcus dresses....

 

[devilish]

TBF to Rashford his football achievements are on another level to those of Richards. On this point, theyshoukdnt be mentioned in the same breath.

City were, at the time, a much worse team then we are now as well. However my argument still stands. Micah Richards was the perfect specimen of a WC modern defender. He was tall, he was physical, he was fast and he was decent with the ball. Then a mix of injuries and bad attitude ruined him. There's an article about him on BBC which starts like this

"You're a money grabber", "You don't respect the shirt", "You're a virus, you are killing this club".

Those were the kind of messages I was getting every day on social media during the final months of my time at Aston Villa, and of course they hurt.

Doesn't that ring a bell?

I strongly believe that Micah see a lot of him in Rashford. Hence why he defends him tooth and nail.

 

[Maluco]

One of the things that is making me optimistic is Amorim making these calls early, before any squad gossip and festering ill will and player power has taken control.

There is no point in making the big calls when results are tough and player power is at its peak after a year in the job. Make them early from a position of power and root out the problems in the teething period.

Ten Hag let the problems fester and actively catered to them, as did Ole. There are attitude problems at United and placating players just makes things worse in the long run.

I like him setting out his stall early and saying exactly what is unacceptable and why. Whoever doesn’t buy in is out the door, regardless of squad status.

 

[LukeTheRed]

When he first came through I loved him - then COVID happened and he did great work for FSM children which made me respect him even more.

Since then though it seems the publicity got to his head and his attitude has stunk for many years now. He thinks he’s the ‘star’ player without the talent or output to match it.

For a supposed ‘Manchester United Fan’ to be DROPPED from the squad ahead of a Derby for lack of effort is a disgrace

Should be ashamed in himself and I wouldn’t be fussed if he never plays for us again.

 

[Strachan8]

Casimero has his obvious flaws as a player but it was great to see him at the centre of the celebrations with amad yesterday. Real bond between them.

 

[MattofManchester]

City were, at the time, a much worse team then we are now as well. However my argument still stands. Micah Richards was the perfect specimen of a WC modern defender. He was tall, he was physical, he was fast and he was decent with the ball. Then a mix of injuries and bad attitude ruined him. There's an article about him on BBC which starts like this

"You're a money grabber", "You don't respect the shirt", "You're a virus, you are killing this club".

Those were the kind of messages I was getting every day on social media during the final months of my time at Aston Villa, and of course they hurt.

Doesn't that ring a bell?

I strongly believe that Micah see a lot of him in Rashford. Hence why he defends him tooth and nail.

I'd say they're similar but not similar.

I don't think it's right to say Marcus doesn't respect the shirt or love the club, because I'd assume he very much does. And for the most part, he is professional.

I think Marcus' problem is more psychological than anything else, and it really does look like he doesn't at all enjoy playing football.

That's not an excuse for him, obviously, and it looks like his time is up. But I don't see any similarity between Micah, who was partying till the early morning on the day of a CL match, and Rashford, who has never hardly ever been said to be unprofessional.

Micah Richards is just a monumental idiot who was arguing a point that even he didn't understand what he was trying to say.

 

[11101]

One of the things that is making me optimistic is Amorim making these calls early, before any squad gossip and festering ill will and player power has taken control.

There is no point in making the big calls when results are tough and player power is at its peak after a year in the job. Make them early from a position of power and root out the problems in the teething period.

Ten Hag let the problems fester and actively catered to them, as did Ole. There are attitude problems at United and placating players just makes things worse in the long run.

I like him setting out his stall early and saying exactly what is unacceptable and why. Whoever doesn’t buy in is out the door, regardless of squad status.

I'm optimistic with Amorin but Ten Hag did make calls like this early on. It was only as time went on he started to abandon the principles we hired him for.

Either way, it's a great statement and we will see how he responds. My guess; scores next game, has a blinding January before settling back into mediocrity.

 

[Dans]

The even deeper problem is that it doesn't really matter. Neither Rashford or Garnacho can work in this system. They can't play #10 as they're not creative enough, they can't play wing back as they can't pass well, have poor vision, are too greedy and can't tackle.

Nor do they work hard in tracking back.

 

[Adisa]

He seems the sort of character to retreat into his shell rather than come out fighting.
On another note, the Garnarcho issue is another example of why Rashford's attitude, way of life, and application are much bigger than his. Players coming through the ranks need a point of reference. If their reference is a player who's lazy on the pitch, gets into trouble outside of it and still keeps getting picked, they are more likely to pick up those habits.

 

[groovyalbert]

When he first came through I loved him - then COVID happened and he did great work for FSM children which made me respect him even more.

Since then though it seems the publicity got to his head and his attitude has stunk for many years now. He thinks he’s the ‘star’ player without the talent or output to match it.

For a supposed ‘Manchester United Fan’ to be DROPPED from the squad ahead of a Derby for lack of effort is a disgrace

Should be ashamed in himself and I wouldn’t be fussed if he never plays for us again.

Nothing to do with the charity work, all to do with our inept handling of contracts and rewarding him with something totally above his standing.

This happens outside of football. If you're actively pursuing a career path, the last/biggest contract you receive is likely the one you deserve the least. We are paying a good footballer a world class wage and it's got to his head. Sure he's surrounded by the worst hype people too. Sad really - so much potential.

 

[devilish]

I'd say they're similar but not similar.

I don't think it's right to say Marcus doesn't respect the shirt or love the club, because I'd assume he very much does. And for the most part, he is professional.

I think Marcus' problem is more psychological than anything else, and it really does look like he doesn't at all enjoy playing football.

That's not an excuse for him, obviously, and it looks like his time is up. But I don't see any similarity between Micah, who was partying till the early morning on the day of a CL match, and Rashford, who has never hardly ever been said to be unprofessional.

Micah Richards is just a monumental idiot who was arguing a point that even he didn't understand what he was trying to say.

I think you're misunderstanding me

a- I don't think that Marcus is a money grabber, a virus etc. What I am saying is that both (Richards and Rashford) had faced similar accusations by the fans
b- If you follow Micah Richards you'll know that he's got an inflated view of himself. At one point he even rated himself as better then Gary Neville to the point that things got so ridiculous that Keane had to intervene.

So you have a former player who like Marcus was a very talented player in his youth, who somehow fizzled away as he grew older and who had faced similar accusations to Rashford from fans. Sure Richards had never reached the heights of Marcus but that's something that Richards doesn't even accept. When you take all of that into account then you can finally understand why Richards defend Rashford so much. He sees himself in Marcus.

Regarding Marcus 'downfall' so to speak I think its a mix of things

a- we didn't manage him correctly as a kid. He wasn't given the soft introduction to first team football that the likes of Scholes, Beckham and co were given. Being effective on the pitch is only part of a player's maturity to first team. Players need to be physically and mentally mature as well. Else you risk what I described better in b, c and d.
b- Marcus doesn't have the thick skin needed to be a Manchester United player. That's a trait many players are either born with (ex Keane) or are coached in. Unfortunately we lack the leaders to do so
c- Marcus wasn't properly coached. His style is very predictable and rely on pace which leads us to D
d- Marcus was run to the ground at one point of his career. That affected his pace. He's not a slow player but he seem to have lost some of his explosiveness.
e- He was given a contract that he simply doesn't deserve. Some people think that undeserved salaries only hit the club. Well it hit the player as well. I am pretty sure that Rashford wouldn't be under such scrutiny if he was paid 120k a week instead being at par with the likes of Salah.

 

[Maluco]

I'm optimistic with Amorin but Ten Hag did make calls like this early on. It was only as time went on he started to abandon the principles we hired him for.

Either way, it's a great statement and we will see how he responds. My guess; scores next game, has a blinding January before settling back into mediocrity.

He made calls and then immediately undid them and there were no real consequences for not producing. Dropped for one game and straight back in. I feel like this time will be different. If there aren’t clear signs of effort and application, I feel like players won’t play.

 

[SonOfFergie]

It is really simple. It is all on Rashford what he want's to do. If love and hunger for football is gone he should call it a day and retire he is sorted for life anyway.

If he doesn't like it here anymore and needs the change of scenery and less demanding environment he can switch to lesser league or MLS and enjoy a few more years there. Same if he want's to play but with 50% of effort.

But if he wants to stay at United under Amorim he will have to find love and hunger for the game pretty fast as 100% will be demanded when he is on the pitch and this is as it should be. You have millions of footballers dying for an opportunity to play for United. You had a luck of being one of the select few who lived the dream. Better show the effort and application that will show you understand how blessed you are.

 

[Smashin]

City were, at the time, a much worse team then we are now as well. However my argument still stands. Micah Richards was the perfect specimen of a WC modern defender. He was tall, he was physical, he was fast and he was decent with the ball. Then a mix of injuries and bad attitude ruined him. There's an article about him on BBC which starts like this

"You're a money grabber", "You don't respect the shirt", "You're a virus, you are killing this club".

Those were the kind of messages I was getting every day on social media during the final months of my time at Aston Villa, and of course they hurt.

Doesn't that ring a bell?

I strongly believe that Micah see a lot of him in Rashford. Hence why he defends him tooth and nail.

That is true and Micah has acknowledged all that. He even has terrible eyesight and couldn't see the ball from far but hid it from doctors at the time since he argued contact lenses were awful to play with.

It's one of those "it takes one to know one".

 

[Born2Lose]

The real problem for Rashford has always been the sycophants and "never does wrong" supporters who make excuses for him at every juncture. It's no coincidence he's scored more open play PL goals in five or six games under Amorim than he did in over half a season living in ten Hag's "He plays until he scores" ideology.

Yesterday was a great day for actual fans of the club, it felt like the first day for a long time where the club comes first rather than the players. A day where perhaps the SAF ethos of the club being “The bus that waits for no one” returned.

 

[devilish]

The real problem for Rashford has always been the sycophants and "never does wrong" supporters who make excuses for him at every juncture. It's no coincidence he's scored more open play PL goals in five or six games under Amorim than he did in over half a season living in ten Hag's "He plays until he scores" ideology.

Yesterday was a great day for actual fans of the club, it felt like the first day for a long time where the club comes first rather than the players. A day where perhaps the SAF ethos of the club being “The bus that waits for no one” returned.

The problem with Rashford started from the very beginning. LVG played him way before he was ready and he became an instant hit. Then he became un droppable which made it very difficult for his body to recover + for him to develop his game in a holistic way. Thus he became this one dimensional player whose suited for one style of football (ie counter attack) and who relied massively on pace which is a huge problem considering that its the first thing to go. Ole ran him to the ground were he lost some of his explosiveness in the process and some idiot decided to give him a contract on a salary that should only be given to WC players who can produce 8/10 week in week out performances on a year in year out basis.

We are therefore stuck with a player who knows that he's being paid way more then he deserves, that he lacks the physical and mental fortitude to justify that salary and that he's unsuited for the game we're trying to implement. That's affecting him mentally and is also encouraging him to dabble in the dark arts of PR. The problem with that is that PR and football rarely worked well together. Football is essentially a working class sport and its very difficult to persuade the typical 50 year old factory worker whose only outlet in life is football to relate with the hardship faced by a multimillionaire especially since he once followed the likes of Roy Keane who actually made it work.

 

[justsomebloke]

So if I got it right from Ruben's presser he Marcus didnt put enough effort?

He didn't say that? He just said he notices everything, from performance in training and matches to how players interact with teammates. My guess would be that maybe the lineup leak is one element in the dropping of Garnacho and Rashford from the matchday squad, and that maybe the "interacting with teammates" is another element. Who knows. But he clearly saw something he didn't like. Well handled all around by Amorim, with no bridges burned.

 

[Kostov]

Clearly Amorim doesn't think it's completely irrelevant how one dresses.

Imagine if Lingard was still around.....

 

[Desert Eagle]

The real problem for Rashford has always been the sycophants and "never does wrong" supporters who make excuses for him at every juncture. It's no coincidence he's scored more open play PL goals in five or six games under Amorim than he did in over half a season living in ten Hag's "He plays until he scores" ideology.

Yesterday was a great day for actual fans of the club, it felt like the first day for a long time where the club comes first rather than the players. A day where perhaps the SAF ethos of the club being “The bus that waits for no one” returned.

It might just be the day player power fc finally died after being left to fester since Fergie retired.

 

[Beachryan]

The reason footballers are paid so much is that the combination of talent and application is so extraordinarily rare. For Rashford to have already acheived as much as he has in the game is testament to him possessing both, in abundance. But, he clearly hasn't been able to maintain the application side.

To me, it doesn't hugely matter why that is - on the pitch, off the pitch, injuries, personal, fitness whatever. The fact is, his per minute productivity has only been at the level required for a club like United for a very short amount of time, and all trends are going in the wrong direction. Given his age, attributes and style there is literally nothing that suggests he's suddenly going to turn it around.

It's incredibly sad, given who he is, but in the end this Rashford simply isn't good enough to play here regularly.

No one will take him at his current salary, but if he really wants to play football given how much he's earned out of us already he shouldn't find it hard to get suitors at a lower weekly wage. And look at what players like Lukaku are doing in Italy, he could probably have an amazing 3-4 more seasons if he moved there. Unfortunately, I could see him sticking it out here, banking his wages and offering us limited glimpses of what could have been.

 

[Pughnichi]

Anyone seen his Insta msg of support for the team.

My biggest take from that…

Who puts a Xmas tree infront of their TV?

 

[waza7111]

 

[Kaos]

He's going, that bit's clear, the only question is where? Are PSG still interested? Because they're about the only top level club that can afford him, short of Chelsea deciding they want to try and 'fix him' too. Or will he happily give up his England ambitions and settle for the MLS or Saudi? Just think January is a bit of an optimistic window to try and ship him.

Gifting him that contract after a purple patch was a real head wobble moment.

 

[Squeaky_Bum_Time]

Manchester United view sidelining Marcus Rashford as key to cultural reboot

• Club ready to cut losses but see easier way back for Garnacho
• Ashworth exit part of willingness to take short-term pain

Guardian article. It’s happening!

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

I've always liked Rashford more than most, but he could have no complaints. Had enough chances tbh. I think for both parties, a change would be good. Wouldn't rule him out doing well elsewhere with a change of scenery. But desperately needs one, could do with getting out of Manchester.

 

[afrocentricity]

Such a shame, hopefully he gets to turn it around as being at united (with all that entails given the toxicity in the fanbase right now) has broken him....

Do not sell to a prem team is my only request.

 

[Idxomer]

He's going, that bit's clear, the only question is where? Are PSG still interested? Because they're about the only top level club that can afford him, short of Chelsea deciding they want to try and 'fix him' too. Or will he happily give up his England ambitions and settle for the MLS or Saudi? Just think January is a bit of an optimistic window to try and ship him.

Gifting him that contract after a purple patch was a real head wobble moment.

Italy on loan is the best option in terms of his career.