You need to talk to therapist or something, he was having a bit of craic.
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This post sums up why some of you lot shouldn’t be taken seriously. Christ it’s a harmless bit of banter. The fact you let the clubs performance impact your dislike of a person is so extreme, particularly when if nothing else, ten hag has always come over as a nice guy.
The over the top reaction to that Ten Hag clip is genuinely quite sad, how are some of you real people who interact with other humans in reality?
We've finally reached the point of the relationship where the way ETH breathes even pisses off some of the fanbase.
Seek help.
Seek help.
I’m strongly in the ETH out camp but even I can see he’s genuinely trying to have a bit of fun and there’s no harm in it.
We'll see what happens. Maybe he goes elsewhere and we've got somebody else in our sights, but hopefully there's some truth to it as he's probably one of the top options right now. There's also rumours this is his last season at Inter. Hopefully it's a case of no smoke without fire.
And I thought I disliked ETH! You’re another level
United ‘fans’ taking issue with Custis getting mugged off? Really?
Look up what Sir Alex thought of him.
Look up what Sir Alex thought of him.
I want a new manager but goodness, people here are supporting Custis?! Take a step back for a minute.
I don't think anyone supports Custis, that's not the point at all. The point is that our *********** Ten Hag was trying "to have some fun" and failed at that, too. It is hard to believe that people don't see how awkward that was.
That's an interesting question. He's clearly not actually inept and can set up a team tactically. I mean, Ajax had a functioning press and everything, that doesn't just happen. How come that's not working at all at United?
(Also, on a moderation note, please stop with the '***********' epithet, that sort of thing is irritating.)
Quality of the leagues are so far apart, you can get away with a certain level of tactics in the Netherlands which you cannot in the pl.
I agree. Ten Hag did appear to be tactically astute during Ajax's CL run in 2019 against bigger clubs. He didn't repeat the feat though and was seemingly found out in subsequent poor European campaigns, even in the EL. At this point its fair to say he's severely lacking tactically at this level, Europe included whether CL or EL
Different levels. He's not the first, and he won't be the last, manager to stand out in a lesser league only to be shown up in the PL.
That doesn't really explain it. The top level of the CL isn't worse than the mid or bottom level in the EPL, and he managed that quite well. You could say it's a different kind of football, but he's also not reproducing results against European opposition or the top EPL teams, which don't play that differently from top CL teams.
Also, even if the issue is that his approach doesn't work in the EPL, you'd at least expect to see a consistent system that then fails to consistently win games in the EPL. But United's football is often messy and disjointed. Like, I don't think 'he's not good enough for the EPL' explains why he sometimes can't even seem to get the basics of coaching right.
For once yeah. That was shocking.
And yeah he's made adjustments before but those were late in game throw it at the wall type moves. Not actual moves when the game was still in the balance.
Insulting another member
You need to stop and have a look in the mirror.
The only bellend here is you as you've read this completely wrong.
3 years in we should be where Liverpool are in the table. Competing with Arsenal and City. But alas.
Fabulous take on it.
There are such fine margins when trying to get players up and motivated, whether that be individually or as a group (god knows why some on stupid money need this extra motivation, but that's another story). Knowing when to push, when to pull, when to divert attention, when to blame yourself, all hangs on a fine knifes edge. The best managers are the ones that can do it.
Not much that Ragnick said was off the mark. It's just that the prima donnas that were donning the shirt for him couldn't handle it, and neither could those sitting in the ivory towers above him.
Something happened on the weekend when Pinnock scored that goal when DeLigt was off - there was a mindset shift, a bit of mongrel came out. If the players can tap into that and EtH can build on it, who knows what can happen moving forward.
He did well in the CL one season - don't get me wrong, it was a great campaign, but many other managers who I wouldn't consider top level have also taken smaller teams to a CL semi (e.g., Puel with Lyon, Di Francesco with Roma). I don't think a one-off cup campaign with a relatively low number of matches is necessarily indicative of managerial quality.
Main difference I see is the environment and pressure on his players. At Ajax they were the best team in the league, in a much easier league, and winning every week breeds confidence.
Confidence and the momentum it creates are huge in football, and it’s much harder to achieve in the PL, especially at this club.
12th after 8 matches and 10 points gap from the top is very disappointing.
Even though we do have a few Dutch players and Dutch speaking players, it could be a communication barrier. Plus perhaps we are overrating the influence he had on the tactics of that Ajax side. And whatever he's been trying to implement at United certainly isn't the Ajax system so maybe his tactics just won't work in a high level league like the PL. I can't think of another team that has tried to simultaneously press high and also defend deep. We seen in his first season and towards the end of last season that he can competently set-up the team using different tactics.
Or a combination of any or all of those things.
Calm down Erik no need to personally insult people.
How many games was it that his Ajax did really well in the CL?
About 10-12 games?
They did well and it is always fun to watch an underdog go deep in a tournament like that but i don`t think the sample size is enough to confuse us here.
If you look at what Erik has achieved apart from that glorious cup run it is nothing to write poems about imo.
Frank de Boer won a handful of league titles with Ajax as a reference.
I hope that he manages to turn things around here but there is a decent chance he just isn`t as good a manager as most would believe after scoring 4 at Bernabeu.
Try the decaffe and take a walk for some fresh air to review your shit post.
De Boer comparisons are tiresome. Ten Hag took us to the top 3 in his first season.
Yeah he's a better PL manager than De Boer. Congratulations, happy new year.
Someone said this the other day and there may be some truth in it, is he over coaching them to the point that players are confused?
It’s only when he simplifies our game that the players produce the best results.
If he is, its the hill that Lvg died on too
That comparison may be valid if De Boer was able to guide Palace towards 3rd place. He wasn't, he got sacked after 4 or 5 games. He lost all of these, while ETH has won many games at United.
Sorry, did not know you were tired of them.
Well it's just a lazy comparison becuase they're Dutch.
De Bored, one might say.
What is it with hills these days? For the past couple of years people have been dying on them all over the place. Then you’ve got the traditional valleys of death. Is nowhere safe?!
And we're lucky to have that. Very little to separate us performance wise from the teams in the relegation zone.
Not fit enough to climb to the top
This is not true. We've been much better than relegation teams and have not really been super lucky to have as many points as we do. Performance wise we are probably close to being a top half team this year.
This may have been a case last year where we genuinely did not deserve the 8th.
100%, Ten Hag is dining out heavily on one season of European performance, his performance in Europe since then has been nowhere near that level. Ranieri won the league with Leicester but we don't have people expecting he could win the league at other clubs because of that one occasion. Ten Hag's average/bad European performances have been much more frequent than his one good season but people seem to believe that the outlier will become the norm if you hope hard enough.
Been overtraining with Erik?
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