Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Can I just ask has it been confirmed that we have spoken to or "sounded out" other managers?

I know there was media reports and discussions on here but most media reports recently seemed to be shots in the dark rather than facts. (Which is a positive given the leaks etc and a sign we are clamping down).
 
Sarni said:
I've been expecting ETH to stay when everyone thought his job was at risk with many certain he would go.

Barring the unexpected, he will be staying.
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With other words, you think he is leaving. Got it.
 
Xaviboy said:
Yeah even if they don't sack him and have to keep him on they obviously don't believe in his ways of coaching.

If they don't believe in him then do they back him in the transfer market?
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They shouldn't back him in the transfer market, nearly no manager should be. Transfer dealings should be done for the long term benefit of the club, that's how nearly all top clubs work.
 
Mike Smalling said:
That seems plausible. What definitely seems clear now, is is that if ETH stays, it won't be because that was the owners' preferred choice.
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Yeah when you meet with other managers that tells you everything about him not being their guy
 
I don't fecking understand this delay. It's embarrassing to the club as well. For all that PR of how this Berarda- Cox - Ashton is going to transform us , this is what's happening.

Either press the button or come out and say he stays.
 
Sarni said:
It's fine to see what your options are. End of the day ETH is our best choice, and if this is the conclusion it feels natural to reward him with a new deal.
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If they are talking to other managers thrn they clearly dont have very much confidence in him, certainly not enough to give him a new contract
 
JPRouve said:
That's my guess. And I don't entirely believe the reports we got this weekend, I suspect that Tuchel was the favorite but for whatever reason things didn't pan out.

The other option could be a Sarri-Chelsea situation where the issue is with compensations either to ETH, the club of our target or both.
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It’s easy to imagine what went wrong with Tuchel. Just look at our squad and other issues. You would want assurances that the squad can be improved over the summer, for one thing.
 
Mike Smalling said:
That seems plausible. What definitely seems clear now, is is that if ETH stays, it won't be because that was the owners' preferred choice.
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Exactly, which just makes this whole process bizzare.

Surely it makes more sense just to sack the manager, gives him and fans clarity, then start interviewing for jobs.

At the moment, the first thing INEOS are doing is operating in bad faith to the manager.
 
Sarni said:
It's fine to see what your options are. End of the day ETH is our best choice, and if this is the conclusion it feels natural to reward him with a new deal.
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It's reaching to point where we literally can't figure out if your post is sarcastic or not. Or is it fair to assume that whatever you post in this thread is a sarcasm.

It would help us save time by not quoting you again, in this thread.
 
NLunited said:
It’s easy to imagine what went wrong with Tuchel. Just look at our squad and other issues. You would want assurances that the squad can be improved over the summer, for one thing.
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It seems that there wont be any assurances about squad improvement. All the reports and signs point to a below par window.

I think we will get a max of 4 players in this summer.
 
romufc said:
Exactly, which just makes this whole process bizzare.

Surely it makes more sense just to sack the manager, gives him and fans clarity, then start interviewing for jobs.

At the moment, the first thing INEOS are doing is operating in bad faith to the manager.
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You say this now. But if we did and the press got wind of our interview process. This place would be complaining that we are as bad as Bayern.

Tuchel rejected us; Poch not interested; De Zerbi not sure of the role. All these spun narratives making us seem incompetent.

Once he’s sacked hopefully there will be a quick turn around who to who the new head coach will be.
 
romufc said:
Journalists are really taking a punt and hoping it comes off.. how can you say in the next days.. in the same sentence say next hours.

Fabrizio just loves covering his own arse, its clear none of them know. They keep saying coming days and hoping it will happen.
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2-3 days=48-72 hours

Half of football journalism these days is to be as vague and ambiguous as possible.
 
romufc said:
Exactly, which just makes this whole process bizzare.

Surely it makes more sense just to sack the manager, gives him and fans clarity, then start interviewing for jobs.

At the moment, the first thing INEOS are doing is operating in bad faith to the manager.
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It’s certainly very messy. I can understand that firing ETH could be dependent on which managers are available to replace him, but then you reach that conclusion a lot earlier and start probing, so it doesn’t drag out like this.

It seems unprofessional and frankly it’s disrespectful to ETH, in my opinion.
 
He can have zero complaints about being sacked. We're making a mess of it though and if we replace him with Southgate we're making an already bad situation 100 times worse.
 
BorisManUtd said:
You may be right, I don't know. But there was all this talk about keeping Rangnick and moving him in consultancy role and then bringing in ten Hag as manager so we'd have more of a football structure above manager etc. Then end of the season they announced Rangnick would leave and it felt like "Oh, they actually don't know what they want and don't have a plan" situation.
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Reportedly Ten Hag didn't want to work with him as they had a conversation and their ideas for the path United should take, especially in terms of recruitment didn't meld.

Apparently Rangnick wasn't a big on buying from the Eredivisie.
 
Everything with United has to be protracted, delayed, speculated for at least 10 million times, 5000 pages written here. Cant be simple business, can it...
 
Didn’t something like this go on with INEOS at Nice. Sure I read there were some issues when they took over another club
 
Wrecking ralf said:
Didn’t something like this go on with INEOS at Nice. Sure I read there were some issues when they took over another club
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There have endless issues at both their previous buys. So many idiotic appointments especially at board level.

Oh but it's fine because they "learned the lessons"
 
astracrazy said:
Like Martinez you mean?
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Perhaps, what do you think?

astracrazy said:
We were massively short for left backs. Shaw was cleared by the medical team. Shaw cleared himself. But hey, keep trying to stick it on EtH.
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I'm simply posing a question, personally I'm not familiar enough with the inner workings of the club to state one way or another who was responsible for all our injuries last season and to what extent blame should be attributed. Others on here seem to know exactly who was and wasn't to blame.

Shaw has said he thinks everyone involved in the decision that lead to him being ruled out for the season is at least partly to blame. Including himself as he knew he shouldn't have played after only one training session but agreed to as the manager asked him to play.
 
Woodzy said:
Didn’t we hire LvG when he was at an international tournament?
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Ah yes, our fantastic higher ups of that era, a great example of how to succeed. If we hire Southgate at this point INEOS are just as bad as the idiots before them.
 
mu4c_20le said:
Dr Shaw said he was ok? Ten Hag off the hook then
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It's not outlandish to say someone knows more about their own body(and that is after getting cleared by the medical team) than someone who is totally unqualified to judge those kind of things. Might as well sack the whole medical team and ask ETH to be the doctor/physio too. I know you hate ETH and want him gone but there's no reason to stick everything wrong on him.
 
Why is it seen as wrong to be sounding out potential other candidates? Even while ETH is still here?

Has everyone suddenly suffered from collective amnesia in regards to how absolutely awful we were last season?

I'd be really cheesed off if INEOS hadn't been talking to other managers. It would actually constitute incompetence on their part.
 
It feels like we are shopping around for an interim manager that can work with what we have until our footballing structure is in place and our footballing plan properly formulated and we can have the right people then drawing up a shortlist and interviewing managers who then match the agreed structure.
 
saik said:
It's not outlandish to say someone knows more about their own body(and that is after getting cleared by the medical team) than someone who is totally unqualified to judge those kind of things. Might as well sack the whole medical team and ask ETH to be the doctor/physio too. I know you hate ETH and want him gone but there's no reason to stick everything wrong on him.
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It's not black and white. Shaw himself said the scan came back and showed something, so he didn't train for a week and still said ok when the manager asked him to play. When the medical staff 'cleared' him, it could've come with some advice about his situation. The manager, like most managers to be fair, chose to risk him. I just think it's laughable to put the blame on the player like he's some sort of doctor when any professional would want to play and give their all for the team and manager.
 
Uncle Mainoo said:
You say this now. But if we did and the press got wind of our interview process. This place would be complaining that we are as bad as Bayern.

Tuchel rejected us; Poch not interested; De Zerbi not sure of the role. All these spun narratives making us seem incompetent.

Once he’s sacked hopefully there will be a quick turn around who to who the new head coach will be.
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Regardless of how you want to dress it, interviewing candidates whilst the current manager is on holiday is really poor and unprofessional.
 
romufc said:
Regardless of how you want to dress it, interviewing candidates whilst the current manager is on holiday is really poor and unprofessional.
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I dont quite understand the rationale by some to support it. They compare it to a workplace every day event that is nothing like the way football clubs generally operate. I've seen it once recently and it was West Ham with Moyes.
 
romufc said:
Exactly, which just makes this whole process bizzare.

Surely it makes more sense just to sack the manager, gives him and fans clarity, then start interviewing for jobs.

At the moment, the first thing INEOS are doing is operating in bad faith to the manager.
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I think the club are worried if they sack him, without having a guaranteed replacement lined up, they may end up with their 3rd/4th/5th/whatever choice appointment.

It's very disrespectful to ETH, who knows that he keeps his job if SJR doesn't find anyone better. What a way to inspire confidence.
 
Roane said:
Can I just ask has it been confirmed that we have spoken to or "sounded out" other managers?

I know there was media reports and discussions on here but most media reports recently seemed to be shots in the dark rather than facts. (Which is a positive given the leaks etc and a sign we are clamping down).
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Seems more like it came from Tuchel himself.
 
mu4c_20le said:
It's not black and white. Shaw himself said the scan came back and showed something, so he didn't train for a week and still said ok when the manager asked him to play. When the medical staff 'cleared' him, it could've come with some advice about his situation. The manager, like most managers to be fair, chose to risk him. I just think it's laughable to put the blame on the player like he's some sort of doctor when any professional would want to play and give their all for the team and manager.
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Your interpretation of what he said might be different as he said there wasn't too much there in the scan. That could also mean he was okay to play a game that was a whole week later with no issues. And we don't know what exactly medical staff has advised the manager. I just think it's foolish to blame the manager here when there's an entire medical team to deal with injuries/knocks and players' fitness.

I've already said this before but even Southgate is well within his rights to take Shaw to Euros. If Shaw gets injured again, the blame should fall to the player himself and the medical staff who advised he will be fit enough to take a part in the tournament.
 
saik said:
Your interpretation of what he said might be different as he said there wasn't too much there in the scan. That could also mean he was okay to play a game that was a whole week later with no issues. And we don't know what exactly medical staff has advised the manager. I just think it's foolish to blame the manager here when there's an entire medical team to deal with injuries/knocks and players' fitness.

I've already said this before but even Southgate is well within his rights to take Shaw to Euros. If Shaw gets injured again, the blame should fall to the player himself and the medical staff who advised he will be fit enough to take a part in the tournament.
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I didn't blame the manager
 
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