Bundesliga, DFB Cup, and other Bundesliga business 2014/2015

Nope, not really. Are they back from South Korea ? I've just seen a few pictures of the team in Seoul. I'm still a bit curious, how they solve the problem of losing Emre Can. Kramer is staying in Gladbach, don't they need a new central midfielder now? The line-ups in pre-season games I've seen had Reinartz and Castro in midfield, Lars Bender will certainly start instead of one of them, but after Bayer's financial advance, I thought they would invest more money.

They're still in South Korea, they've only played 1 game there afaik.

Seoul v Leverkusen ended 2-0 to Leverkusen

Starting lineup: Leno – Donati, Jedvaj, Wollscheid, Boenisch – Reinartz, Castro - Calhanoglu, Son – Bellarabi, Kießling.

Subs used: Kresic 46’, Hilbert 46’, Wendell 46’, Rolfes 46’, Wagener 46’, Yurchenko 46’

Scorers:
Bellarabi 25th Min
Kießling 60th Min

Assists:
Calhanoglu
Wagener

Brandt and Öztunali are on international duty.
 
Bernat will be a great signing for Bayern.

What are Wolfsburg going about? Interested in Torres now. Are they capable of qualifying to the CL next season?
 
#6: Leno – Donati, Jedvaj, Wollscheid, Boenisch – Reinartz, Castro - Calhanoglu, Son – Bellarabi, Kießling
#5: Leno - Hilbert, Spahic, Toprak, Wendell - Castro, Rolfes - Calhanoglu, Son - Drmic, Bellarabi
#4: Kresic – Donati, Jedvaj, Spahic, Wendell – Castro, Reinartz – Bellarabi, Son – Calhanoglu, Kießling
#3: Leno – Donati, Jedvaj, Wollscheid, Wendell – Castro, Rolfes – Calhanoglu, Brandt – Bellarabi, Kießling
#2: Kresic – Donati, Wollscheid, Jedvaj, Boenisch – Castro, Rolfes – Calhanoglu, Brandt – Kießling, Bellarabi
#1: Leno – Donati, Wollscheid, Jedvaj, Wendell – Castro, Rolfes – Hilbert, Brandt – Bellarabi, Kießling

Those are the starting lineups for Leverkusens friendlies so far.

The goalscorers:

4 ¦ Vladen Yurchenko
2 ¦ Philipp Wollscheid
2 ¦ Hakan Calhanoglu
2 ¦ Seung-Woo Ryu
2 ¦ Stefan Kiessling
2 ¦ Karim Bellarabi
1 ¦ Roberto Hilbert
1 ¦ Julian Brandt
1 ¦ Simon Rolfes
1 ¦ Marc Brasnic
 
Bernat will be a great signing for Bayern.

What are Wolfsburg going about? Interested in Torres now. Are they capable of qualifying to the CL next season?
Wasn't impressed with Bernat so far, but we'll see. Wolfsburg really wanted Lukaku and they still need a striker. I'd say, yes they are capable of qualifying for the CL. It's really close between Leverkusen, Wolfsburg and Gladbach for the 4th spot in my opinion, difficult to tell what team will make the biggest step. Bayern and Dortmund should be the top 2 again and I can't see Schalke falling out of the top 4, way too much talent in the team.

#6: Leno – Donati, Jedvaj, Wollscheid, Boenisch – Reinartz, Castro - Calhanoglu, Son – Bellarabi, Kießling
#5: Leno - Hilbert, Spahic, Toprak, Wendell - Castro, Rolfes - Calhanoglu, Son - Drmic, Bellarabi
#4: Kresic – Donati, Jedvaj, Spahic, Wendell – Castro, Reinartz – Bellarabi, Son – Calhanoglu, Kießling
#3: Leno – Donati, Jedvaj, Wollscheid, Wendell – Castro, Rolfes – Calhanoglu, Brandt – Bellarabi, Kießling
#2: Kresic – Donati, Wollscheid, Jedvaj, Boenisch – Castro, Rolfes – Calhanoglu, Brandt – Kießling, Bellarabi
#1: Leno – Donati, Wollscheid, Jedvaj, Wendell – Castro, Rolfes – Hilbert, Brandt – Bellarabi, Kießling

Those are the starting lineups for Leverkusens friendlies so far.
Have you seen one of the games? How's Wendell doing, never heard of him before but Leverkusen are usually really good at finding quality players in South America.
 
Wasn't impressed with Bernat so far, but we'll see. Wolfsburg really wanted Lukaku and they still need a striker. I'd say, yes they are capable of qualifying for the CL. It's really close between Leverkusen, Wolfsburg and Gladbach for the 4th spot in my opinion, difficult to tell what team will make the biggest step. Bayern and Dortmund should be the top 2 again and I can't see Schalke falling out of the top 4, way too much talent in the team.

Have you seen one of the games? How's Wendell doing, never heard of him before but Leverkusen are usually really good at finding quality players in South America.

I haven't seen any of their games. Roger Schmidt loves him though:

Roger Schmidt said:
He understands our game system very quickly, and also uses them very quickly to. He has been very well integrated, although he does not speak the language. Our game system comes to meet him because he so anyway to defend like to forward. That makes it a bit easier.'s Why I'm totally happy with how he introduces himself as he motivated, as he tries to make the play. You just have to let go. He knows that I would like it that he plays like that, and because he finds it easy it easy. He has an incredible amount of offensive potential, he is incredibly strong in the forward movement and, after winning the ball, but he's also a really good tackler. Even though he's skinny, he is very toxic.

Google translator. :wenger:

Auf den ersten Blick wirkt Wendell Nascimento Borges nicht wie ein Bundesliga-Akteur. Nur 64 Kilogramm bringt der 1,76 Meter große Brasilianer auf die Waage, ginge locker als Juniorenspieler durch. Dennoch soll Wendell eine gewichtige Rolle spielen. Schließlich wurde der linke Verteidiger für 6,5 Millionen Euro verpflichtet, um eine Problemposition zu stärken.

Dabei scheint das Leichtgewicht auf einem guten Weg zu sein. „Er begreift unsere Spielanlage sehr schnell, und setzt sie auch sehr schnell um“, erklärt Roger Schmidt, der zudem registriert: „Er hat sich schon sehr gut integriert, obwohl er die Sprache nicht spricht.“

Der U-20-Nationalspieler, für den Reha-Trainer Daniel Jouvin dolmetscht, ist lernwillig. So nimmt er auch Schmidts taktische Vorgaben erstaunlich schnell an. „Unsere Spielanlage kommt ihm entgegen, weil er so sowieso gerne nach vorne verteidigen will. Das macht es etwas einfacher. Von daher bin ich total zufrieden, wie er sich einbringt, wie motiviert er ist, wie er versucht, die Spielweise umzusetzen“, lobt der Trainer. Gerade das sofortige Attackieren des Gegners scheint Wendell im Blut zu liegen. Schmidt gerät dazu fast schon ins Schwärmen: „Man muss ihn einfach nur loslassen. Er weiß, dass ich es gerne möchte, dass er so spielt, und da fällt es ihm auch leicht.“

Trotzdem muss man abwarten, wie sich Wendell im Liga-Alltag bewährt. Doch es gibt Anzeichen dafür, dass er keine lange Anlaufzeit benötigt. Typisch für den selbst in den härtesten Einheiten gut gelaunt daherkommenden Techniker, der vor einem Jahr noch nicht in Brasiliens erster Liga aktiv war. Dort spielte er sich innerhalb von sechs Monaten bei Gremio Porto Alegre in den Fokus der Bayer-Macher. Diese nutzten eine Ausstiegsklausel, die nur bis Ende Februar galt. Mal wieder waren Sportdirektor Rudi Völler und der damalige Manager Michael Reschke schneller als die Konkurrenz.

Hält Wendell, was seine Veranlagung verspricht, und trifft auch das Urteil des ehemaligen Bayer-Profis Zé Roberto zu, der mit Wendell bei Gremio spielte und diesem Ehrgeiz und einen klaren Kopf attestiert, darf sich Bayer über einen Dampfmacher freuen. Nicht nur, weil er den Spielstil bereits kennt. „Er hat es in Brasilien vielleicht nicht so extrem gespielt, aber tendenziell so“, weiß Schmidt und nennt Wendells Stärken: „ Er hat unglaublich viel Offensivpotenzial. Er ist unheimlich stark in der Vorwärtsbewegung und nach Ballgewinn, aber er ist auch ein richtig guter Zweikämpfer.“

Auch weil er seinen Körper geschickt einsetzt. „Obwohl er schmächtig ist, ist er sehr giftig“, analysiert Jonas Boldt den „sehr schnellen und technisch starken“ Spieler, der laut dem Manager „fast schon zu unbrasilianisch“ agiert. Seine dynamischen Vorstöße mit Ball am Fuß könne Wendell noch öfter auspacken. Und damit klarmachen, dass auf Leverkusens linker Abwehrseite kein Leichtgewicht daherkommt, sondern ein Schnellstarter.
 
I haven't seen any of their games. Roger Schmidt loves him though:



Google translator. :wenger:
Ffs, you could have at least included the link to the German article. You don't expect me to read some strange google translation into English instead of the German original, don't you :lol:
 
I edited it with it included! :D
;)

Have you seen any of the Bayern games? I expected Hojbjerg to be brilliant but Gianluca Gaudino impressed me even more. He was outstanding and played every game. I didn't follow his career so far, but I'm really looking forward to watch his development now. Would be crazy if we all of a sudden had another young midfield talent in the team.
 
While we're talking about talents. Erik Thommy for Augsburg has played a fair bit pre season, i'm expecting him to break through this Season. Keep an eye out for him.
 
While we're talking about talents. Erik Thommy for Augsburg has played a fair bit pre season, i'm expecting him to break through this Season. Keep an eye out for him.
Where did you watch him play? Are you actually following Augsburg's pre-season games or Augsburg's second team? I've read his name a few times, but if I'm not mistaken, he never played for any of the German youth nationalteams. I don't think I've ever seen him play.
 
Where did you watch him play? Are you actually following Augsburg's pre-season games or Augsburg's second team? I've read his name a few times, but if I'm not mistaken, he never played for any of the German youth nationalteams. I don't think I've ever seen him play.

He's played 208mins in 5 games during Augsburg pre season and scored once. Been involved in every game so far.



He's the one that scores the overhead kick.
 
Yes. Schmidt is talking highly of him if you consider the fact that coaches never talk too much, specially about a young guy.
Bayer is world class in finding great talent before anyone else does.
I have to admit; never liked Bayer that much(their character is/was too questionable and they shamed Germany in the CL) but that guy(Schmidt) and this team have something.
Could be a fun ride.
 
Wasn't impressed with Bernat so far, but we'll see. Wolfsburg really wanted Lukaku and they still need a striker. I'd say, yes they are capable of qualifying for the CL. It's really close between Leverkusen, Wolfsburg and Gladbach for the 4th spot in my opinion, difficult to tell what team will make the biggest step. Bayern and Dortmund should be the top 2 again and I can't see Schalke falling out of the top 4, way too much talent in the team.

Bernat is a very talented player. I was so impressed of him since he got introduced at Valencia. Thought he'd stay for a season or more.

Torres would be a good signing, though I can't see it happening.
 

I'm surprised that he actually talked about a top 2, and didn't turn it into a dig against Guardiola by saying Bayern already won the league. And I'm pretty sure he said the same about the Spanish league a year ago when he moved to Chelsea, he clearly knows his stuff. The way he constantly criticises all the other leagues to show his love for the English league is nothing but embarrassing and it also means he already has an excuse ready if he again fails to win something. Everyone knows that he's the happy one because he's at the one club he really loves in the one league he really loves. Good for him.
 
I'm surprised that he actually talked about a top 2, and didn't turn it into a dig against Guardiola by saying Bayern already won the league. And I'm pretty sure he said the same about the Spanish league a year ago when he moved to Chelsea, he clearly knows his stuff. The way he constantly criticises all the other leagues to show his love for the English league is nothing but embarrassing and it also means he already has an excuse ready if he again fails to win something. Everyone knows that he's the happy one because he's at the one club he really loves in the one league he really loves. Good for him.

It's not even a dig, he has a point....you can't guarantee 1st/2nd in this league but in the Bundesliga you can because Dortmund and Bayern are a million miles ahead of anything else there, which isn't the case in the PL.
 
It's not even a dig, he has a point....you can't guarantee 1st/2nd in this league but in the Bundesliga you can because Dortmund and Bayern are a million miles ahead of anything else there, which isn't the case in the PL.
Of course it's a dig. He's his usual disrespectful idiotic self. There's no need to bring up another competition to make the point, that it's difficult to predict in which position Chelsea will finish the season. He clearly does it for a reason. I don't mind if you agree with him, but there's a reason why he brought it up, and it's damn petty.
 

I like mourinho a lot but that is an ignorant comment and an obvious petty dig at guardiola. In all honesty Bayern and Dortmund are better than any team in the premiership. Schalke also topped a group with arsenal in it in the cl in 12/13. Dortmund did last year also, as well as top a group with city and madrid in 12/13. Not saying overall the league is better than the premiership as the german league does not have the money the premiership does, but the top two are excellent and sometimes schalke and others can have a strong campaign.
 
How is that ignorant? Bayern are going to come first and Dortmund second. Do you really see any outcome other than that?
Because it is an obvious dig at guardiola and while probably not intentionally, the league itself. It would have been somewhat similar to if guardiola before the start of last season said that no premiership team will win the cl. He would have had a point (with barca, Madrid, Bayern being considered the best teams and with Dortmund just coming of their strong campaign. There was also the fact that the premiership teams were dire in the cl the season before.) and in the end he also would have been right. Premiership fans still would still have been upset about what he said and found it to be ignorant, arrogant and insulting, even though he would have facts to back up his claim and would have been right in the end. He knew that what he said would be taken badly by people and he still said it, even if its true.
 
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Mourinho is just already pulling out the excuses. He should have won something last season, but he didn't and embarrassingly so after his nasty dig towards Wenger, who then in turn won the 2nd most important prize in the EPL while "Mou" won feck all.

Let's see if the Specialist in Sarcasm wins anything this season.
 
Bayern and Dortmund are clear favorites, but you never know if one of Leverkusen/Schalke/Wolfsburg spring a surprise and challenge, even break the "duopoly" (which has only really been there the last 3-4 years). Leverkusen in particular appeared to do so last season until Hyypia got found out mid season. In the last 10 years Schalke, Bremen, Stuttgart, Wolfsburg, and Leverkusen have also finished 1st/2nd as well.

There's a difference between labelling some team as favorites and "knowing" that they're going to finish first/second, latter comes across as arrogant and it's not a surprise Mourinho has said it.

This is also going off tangent but same could be applied to La Liga as well, before the season started many people "knew" that Real Madrid and Barcelona would occupy the 1st and 2nd places, that's not exactly how it turned out, is it?
 
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Because it is an obvious dig at guardiola and while probably not intentionally, the league itself. It would have been somewhat similar to if guardiola before that start of last season said that no premiership team will win the cl. He would have had a point (with barca, Madrid, Bayern being considered the best teams and with Dortmund just coming of their strong campaign. There was also the fact that the premiership teams were dire in the cl the season before.) and in the end he also would have been right. Premiership fans still would still have been upset about what he said and found it to be ignorant, arrogant and insulting, even though he would have facts to back up his claim and would have been right in the end. He knew that what he said would be taken badly by people and he still said it, even if its true.
That's an excellent example.
 
Mourinho is just already pulling out the excuses. He should have won something last season, but he didn't and embarrassingly so after his nasty dig towards Wenger, who then in turn won the 2nd most important prize in the EPL while "Mou" won feck all.

Let's see if the Specialist in Sarcasm wins anything this season.
I think you are being a bit harsh, although i agree that his dig towards wenger was petty and needless and also just wrong. Wenger is certainly not a specialist in failure. But tbf, for top clubs there is only the cl and the league and nothing else. For a big club, the cup is only something to celebrate if it was won as part of a double with the league or cup double with the cl. The league and cl are the priority and mourinho challenged for both (in the league until the last few games and semi-finals of the cl). He did not have the best of seasons, but he certainly did not have a poor one. Only by his own ridiculously high standards did he have a poor one. If I had to choose between the two, I would rather my club replicate chelseas season and not arsenals. If mourinho fails to win again next year he will be sacked while if wenger fails, the same old same old will happen where he stays on and promises to win it next year. Mourinho is under much more pressure than wenger and it has been like that for pretty much his whole career.
 
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I think you are being a bit harsh, although i agree that his dig towards wenger was petty and needless and also just wrong. Wenger is certainly not a specialist in failure. But tbf, for top clubs there is only the cl and the league and nothing else. For a big club, the cup is only something to celebrate if it was won as part of a double with the league or cup double with the cl. The league and cl are the priority and mourinho challenged for both (in the league until the last few games and semi-finals of the cl). He did not have the best of seasons, but he certainly did not have a poor one. Only by his own ridiculously high standards did he have a poor one. If I had to choose between the two, I would rather my club replicate chelseas season and not arsenals. If mourinho fails to win again next year he will be sacked while if wenger fails, the same old same old will happen where he stays on and promises to win it next year. Mourinho is under much more pressure than wenger and it has been like that for pretty much his whole career.
So you rather have your club finish 3rd and win feck all than finish 4th and win the FA Cup?

Both finishes give you CL football (Arsenal have qualified for CL football 15 seasons in a row).

I don't see the logic in your desire to replicate Chelsea's season over Arsenal's.
 
So you rather have your club finish 3rd and win feck all than finish 4th and win the FA Cup?

Both finishes give you CL football (Arsenal have qualified for CL football 15 seasons in a row).

I don't see the logic in your desire to replicate Chelsea's season over Arsenal's.
Yes, because Chelsea were closer to winning the league and much closer to winning the CL. Madrid winning the cup and finishing 4th would be an absolute disaster and the team and coach would slaughtered by the media. I see much more positives to take from chelseas season (their big game record for example) and I think they have much more to build on. Overall I don't care about the cup and neither do most fans of clubs like barca, Bayern, united etc. Madrid had to beat barca and atletico in their last two cup wins and still nobody cared. In 10/11 the team was criticised for winning nothing major (Madrid won the cup that year beating barca in the final) and in 13/14 the cup was seen as something to go along nicely with the cl in addition to the fact that it was barca that the team beat in the final. If all Madrid won last year was the cup and they lost in the final then it would have been seen as a poor season and the media would have called for carlos head (unfairly I might add). Like I said, there are more positives to take from chelseas season than arsenals and if I had to say which of the two will be closer to challenging for the league and the CL next season I would have to pick Chelsea. Cups are nice to win, especially if you have to beat one of your rivals in the final but they are a lower priority for top clubs than challenging for the league and the CL, let alone winning them.
 
How is that ignorant? Bayern are going to come first and Dortmund second. Do you really see any outcome other than that?

Mou, I guess he was pissed. Chelsea lost to Bremen... - yes, the Bremen that barely held the league last season 0:3 today...

To the question.
This season - yes, I can see it. The question is if Bayern can do what they did the recent two years in which they have been pretty flawless in the league and kept concentration. The highlights are not the problems - I see them making a very good run through the CL maybe winning it again. The league is something different - and to win all that matches especially the ones before and after CL matches is different, too. Especially now after the World Cup. After the last World Cups Bayern failed - and they had 8 players that have not started to prepare for the season yet. The last 2 seasons Bayern really was exceptional. It is not the matches against the good teams - you have to look into the other big leagues and the top clubs and to see that all of them have lost matches against the smaller teams - matches they lost not because the team was weaker but the other team had a lot more motivation.

And it is not only Dortmund that could take their chance if Bayern fails...
 
Question to BVB fans, so probably @Sphaero, in your last 10-0 win against Rapperswil-Jona in the first half, did you really play 4-1-2-1-2 or is it Polish journalism at it's finest making some bullshit formations ?
 
And it is not only Dortmund that could take their chance if Bayern fails...

Who are you refering to? Schalke and Leverkusen? Can anybody really tell me with a straight face, that they have a 70-75 point season in them? Thats basically the bar minumum of what you need right now to become German champion, because I don´t see a scenario of Bayern dropping below that with the quality they have.

Such a season result would be record breaking for both of them and I´m far from being convinced that they are capable of that right now. Both squads are exciting, because they consist of a lot of promise and talent, but unless all of their youngsters explode performance wise and deliver on a consistent basis throughout the whole season they don´t pose a realistic threat to Bayern Munich. They could develop into that in a year or two but they are not there yet. There is also the important question if they have the necessary mentality for that, because it can´t be ignored how they got slaughtered in deciding games last season and have a history of bottling the finish of a season.

If I compare both of them with Dortmund as a whole in the current state, it would be actually dissapointing for us to finish below them in the end. At first they need to catch up with us before thinking about challenging the league title.

Question to BVB fans, so probably @Sphaero, in your last 10-0 win against Rapperswil-Jona in the first half, did you really play 4-1-2-1-2 or is it Polish journalism at it's finest making some bullshit formations ?

I have not seen it, because it did not air anywhere, but from the ticker I followed and the few scenes I saw it looked like a pretty straight forward 4-4-2 to me with Kirch/Jojic in the center, Ji/Mkhitaryan on the flanks and Aubameyang/Immobile as striker. Second half was the classic 4-2-3-1 set up.
 
Premiership fans still would still have been upset about what he said and found it to be ignorant, arrogant and insulting, even though he would have facts to back up his claim and would have been right in the end. He knew that what he said would be taken badly by people and he still said it, even if its true.

Insulting sure, but it's not ignorant if you're right. Quite the opposite in fact.
 
Who are you refering to? Schalke and Leverkusen? Can anybody really tell me with a straight face, that they have a 70-75 point season in them? Thats basically the bar minumum of what you need right now to become German champion, because I don´t see a scenario of Bayern dropping below that with the quality they have.
The interesting question is if Bayern (and to a lesser extent Dortmund) can keep up playing 80+ points seasons. I still don't buy into this 'the Bundesliga is overall too weak to hurt them' argument. Both clubs raised the bar in terms of consistency and determination for every single game in the past 4 years, that's what lead to these crazy records just as much as the quality in the teams. Crazy squad depth in comparison to earlier decades helps of course as well, but more than anything it's about determination. Bayern's jump from 73 points in 11/12 (after 67, 70 and 65 in the 3 seasons prior to 2011/12) to completely insane 91 !!! points in 12/13 isn't explainable through our squad quality. And overall the other German teams also improved during that time, having a record 7 teams in the knockout stages of European competitions in 12/13 and a record 4 teams in the knockout stages of the CL in 13/14 is proof of that. Schalke is right now in 9th place in UEFA's 5 year club coefficient ranking, yet people will tell you on the Caf that they're constantly shit in Europe when the exact opposite is true. And while we looked like we could keep that up last season, I still doubt it and the massive drop in form after securing the league title early suggests as well that the mental part of the game is more important than ever, even more after a successful World Cup tournament for so many of the players.

I agree though that there's no way Schalke or Leverkusen can play a 75 points season and even if they did, it won't be enough to win the title. However, I could see one of Dortmund or Bayern playing a below par season again and falling down to that level and then who knows what happens. Who would have thought that Bayern in 10/11 after being only one game away from a treble in the previous season could drop behind Leverkusen and fight with Hannover for 3rd place with according to the Caf at the moment one of the greatest managers of all time in charge? Let's wait how the World Cup affects two squads that already heavily struggled with injuries last season, the summer tournament and the lack of a pre-season for many players certainly won't help with that problem.
 
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I have not seen it, because it did not air anywhere, but from the ticker I followed and the few scenes I saw it looked like a pretty straight forward 4-4-2 to me with Kirch/Jojic in the center, Ji/Mkhitaryan on the flanks and Aubameyang/Immobile as striker. Second half was the classic 4-2-3-1 set up.

Ah, cheers mate.
 


It's obviously a dig at Guardiola, but it's also true. Bayern and Dortmund are light years ahead of everyone else in the Bundesliga.

The comment was made, i learned, after Mou's Chelsea lost convincingly 0-3 against a Werder Bremen that will neither compete for first nor for second place - he is right about that. Oh yes, and it also was the referee's fault. Typical germans!
 
Nicolai Müller will join Hamburg, medical is tomorrow. Fee around 4.5 Million €. Very happy with the signing.