Bundesliga, DFB Cup, and other Bundesliga business 2014/2015

No way Hamburg loses the playoff. They'll be absolutely terrible, and without a doubt, the worse side in those two games but they'll scrape through somehow, at the end. It's what they do.

Really glad for Stuttgart though.
 
JustFootballFan said:
Well the 2nd division has been weak this season, but so has Hamburg. To me it´s a pick´em, although bookies probably won´t see it that way. Not like Hamburg did anything, but fight hard for the last five games and got lucky to play a shit team like Schalke in the end.

Last year Hamburg in the relegation battle had horrendous stamina and were basically dead after 60 minutes in both legs, but Fuerth failed to convert anything and conceded on a corner.
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Balu said:
The way they're playing, it'll be a tough call. They'll face either Darmstadt, Karlsruhe or Kaiserslautern. All three are very different teams, in playing style and in stature and experience. I expect Hamburg to win the relegation playoffs against all of them.
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Scorpy said:
Yep, Hamburg will have to play the third in the 2. Bundesliga table, which at the moment is Karlsruher.

I don't know about them being overwhelming favorites to be honest, I've watched them a few times over the season and they were beyond abysmal (no offense gorelx). It depends on the quality of the 2.Bundesliga side they'll face but If I had to guess, I'd say it'll be a very close tie.
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Thanks for the info.

Kaiserslautern, another familiar name. Just checked their honours list and read that they had won title in 97-98 when they were newly promoted to Bundesliga! Incredible, didn't know this :eek:
 
Funny enough Dortmund could go from "This is the worst season ever" to possible winning the national cup and being installed as betting favourites for the EL next year. Not bad, when that is your worst year as a coach.
 
The Man Himself said:
Thanks for the info.

Kaiserslautern, another familiar name. Just checked their honours list and read that they had won title in 97-98 when they were newly promoted to Bundesliga! Incredible, didn't know this :eek:
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Yes people like make fun of Otto Rehhagel for the whole Greece experience, but the man was a trainer legend.
 
Always nice to see that at least Badstuber's jersey is present at the festivities.
 
JustFootballFan said:
Funny enough Dortmund could go from "This is the worst season ever" to possible winning the national cup and being installed as betting favourites for the EL next year. Not bad, when that is your worst year as a coach.
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We were 17th after the first season half and even last at the beginning of the second one. A way better second season half and the high competiveness of the league (let´s be real, 46 points normally won´t be enough for the International places) turned it around.
 
Scorpy said:
Why do they make fun of him, he won the European Cup with fecking Greece!
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I think it was a brilliant piece of work, just saying that people like to mock the way they succeeded, like there is a right or wrong way.

Their style of play was perceived to be outdated and annoying. The death of modern football. Playing with a sweeper, a compact midfield, only one striker and relying on long balls and set-pieces for goals.

Funny enough turns out compact midfields and one striker became all the rage later on.
 
Sphaero said:
We were 17th after the first season half and even last at the beginning of the second one. A way better second season half and the high competiveness of the league (let´s be real, 46 points normally won´t be enough for the International places) turned it around.
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True. Not to glorify the season. Just giving some perspective. In quality Bayern, Wolfsburg, Gladbach and Leverkusen were further ahead of 5th place than 5th place was ahead of last place.
 
JustFootballFan said:
I think it was a brilliant piece of work, just saying that people like to mock the way they succeeded, like there is a right or wrong way.

Their style of play was perceived to be outdated and annoying. The death of modern football. Playing with a sweeper, a compact midfield, only one striker and relying on long balls and set-pieces for goals.

Funny enough turns out compact midfields and one striker became all the rage later on.
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Yeah, I remember being annoyed by their style of play as well, but actually Rehhagel deserves massive credit for what he achieved with Greece. They were one of the most defensively solid teams I've seen and deserved the triumph. Sure, it wasn't pretty to watch and they were very lucky as well, but it was the only way a team like Greece would ever go as far as winning a trophy.

If a team full of superstars starts parking the bus to achieve something, then I think at least a little bit of ridicule is due. Certainly not Rehhagel and Greece though. He worked brilliantly with what he had at his disposal and made a whole nation proud.
 
Balu said:
The way they're playing, it'll be a tough call. They'll face either Darmstadt, Karlsruhe or Kaiserslautern. All three are very different teams, in playing style and in stature and experience. I expect Hamburg to win the relegation playoffs against all of them.
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The funny thing of it - Labbadia, the HSV coach, has played for all of them...
 
JustFootballFan said:
True. Not to glorify the season. Just giving some perspective. In quality Bayern, Wolfsburg, Gladbach and Leverkusen were further ahead of 5th place than 5th place was ahead of last place.
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Something like this - look at the table on the gaps between 1 and 2, 3 and 4, 4 and 5...

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11 points less - relegation - 17th and not 7th. 11 points more only 2 ranks better - 5th and not 7th...

Freiburg as 17th has as much losses as Dortmund or Hoffenheim have at 7th and 8th and even less than Augsburg on 5th...
 
feck this shit.. why did it have to be Freiburg.. the only club (aside from Paderborn, but no one cares for them anyway) who didnt earn relegation...

Where did you get that table, it's almost giving me a headache.
 
do.ob said:
feck this shit.. why did it have to be Freiburg.. the only club (aside from Paderborn, but no one cares for them anyway) who didnt earn relegation...
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Bit disappointing that the party people from Berlin had such a big cushion. If they don´t fire Dardai before the start of the next season, they should be auto-relegated. Same with Schalke and DiMatteo.
 
do.ob said:
feck this shit.. why did it have to be Freiburg.. the only club (aside from Paderborn, but no one cares for them anyway) who didnt earn relegation...

Where did you get that table, it's almost giving me a headache.
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Came on my twitter account. I just took the first I found there.
 
JustFootballFan said:
Bit disappointing that the party people from Berlin had such a big cushion. If they don´t fire Dardai before the start of the next season, they should be auto-relegated. Same with Schalke and DiMatteo.
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there are various candidates for that honor.

Schalke: DiMatteo + Held
Hannover: frontzeck (wtf!) and Kind
Stuttgart: Dutt + X (Zorninger)
Hertha: dardai + Preetz
Hamburg
 
To be fair Frontzeck got them more points out of "his" five games than Korkut from the other 12.

I'd still sack him
 
PedroMendez said:
there are various candidates for that honor.

Schalke: DiMatteo + Held
Hannover: frontzeck (wtf!) and Kind
Stuttgart: Dutt + X (Zorninger)
Hertha: dardai + Preetz
Hamburg
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any good enough teams from 2.bundesliga to replace them?
 
Ingolstadt have been the only halfway convincing team this season imo.
 
Still waiting for a player to down one of those bad boys.
 
Scorpy said:
but actually Rehhagel deserves massive credit for what he achieved with Greece.
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Rehhagel deserves a lot of credit in general. He became a bit of a joke in his latter years and maybe missed the right moment to retire, but it shouldn't diminish his overall achievements and they clearly are fantastic.

His 14 years at Bremen are incredible. He took over in the 2nd Bundesliga, finished the season by getting promoted and never looked back. In the first 8 seasons in the Bundesliga Bremen never finished outside of the top 5. He won 2 league titles, was 4 times runners-up, won 2 cups and the European cup winners' cup.

His one year at Bayern didn't go too well, because Rehhagel was a bit of a difficult character and he couldn't handle the star players, but he still finished 2nd and lead the team to the UEFA cup final (he was fired 3 weeks before the end of the season and Beckenbauer won the final as interim manager).

He then took over in Kaiserslautern in the 2nd Bundesliga, got instantly promoted and won the Bundesliga the following year and finished 5th the following two seasons, which wasn't good enough for the fans who wanted him gone and so he was fired a few weeks into the 2000/01 season.

So he took over the Greek nationalteam, finished top of their Euro qualifying group ahead of Spain and won the tournament.

The fact that he didn't work at the only European top team he ever managed means he's probably a bit underrated in a comparison with all the other great managers of the last 30 years, but he was no doubt a brilliant manager. And some of his teams actually played really attractive football.
 

That's quite impressive indeed. Too bad things didn't work out for him at Bayern, but his achievements with Werder and Kaiserslautern speak for themselves. His triumph with Greece is the cherry on top of the cake.
 
Winrar said:
any good enough teams from 2.bundesliga to replace them?
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Thats always hard to predict. I don´t really rate the teams, that are getting promoted this year. Maybe RB Leipzig (money + good management) and Kaiserslautern (fans/exciting young team) next year. That said I don’t follow the 2.Bundesliga closely.
 
As far as I know Rehagel still is one of the most respected coaches in Germany.
 
Just realised BVB have got a Europa league spot. That is great remembering they were in the relegation zone at one stage
 
do.ob said:
As far as I know Rehagel still is one of the most respected coaches in Germany.
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I hope so, he deserves it. Only Lattek and Hitzfeld clearly stand above him in my opinon and he's on a level with for example Weisweiler in the 2nd tier of great German managers.
 
Just saw that Davie Selke has signed for Leipzig for 8 million euros, which makes him the most expensive signing in 2.Bundesliga history. Surely it's only a matter of time before Leipzig gets promoted with such financial support.
 
About Rehakles - he is a coach for underdogs and team players. Not a star coach or a coach for the big clubs. But with that teams he did very, very well.
 
Just saw the highlights of the Freiburg game. So sad to see this likeable team and club go down. Their great fans do not deserve this.

All because Hamburg got away with murder again. We are also partly to blame because we only got one point out of two games vs. them (to be fair we universally sucked in the first season half), but what Schalke offered this game was pathetic. The only positive thing I can get out this situation is that we can send them into a qualification round for the EL if we win the Cup. Would be glorious to see them go down vs. some noname team before even reaching the group stages.
 
Sphaero said:
The only positive thing I can get out this situation is that we can send them into a qualification round for the EL if we win the Cup. Would be glorious to see them go down vs. some noname team before even reaching the group stages.
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I don't think they'll have problems to qualify, same for Dortmund. I'm really worried that Augsburg might feck it up and it would cost Germany a lot of points again in UEFA's 5 year ranking. So I kinda hope that Wolfsburg wins the cup final and Augsburg qualifies directly for the EL group stage. They deserve that anyway after the season they played.
 
Balu said:
I don't think they'll have problems to qualify, same for Dortmund. I'm really worried that Augsburg might feck it up and it would cost Germany a lot of points again in UEFA's 5 year ranking. So I kinda hope that Wolfsburg wins the cup final and Augsburg qualifies directly for the EL group stage. They deserve that anyway after the season they played.
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They are in the group stages no matter what happens in the cup final. The 5th place is a direct seed and not influenced by the cup competition.

They are only two possible scenarios:

If we win the final, we are directly seeded and Schalke goes into qualification
If we lose the final, it is the other way around.
 
Also Volland has signed a new contract with Hoffenheim until 2019. This puts to rest the rumours of him leaving for Dortmund.
 
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