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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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sun_tzu said:
Valentine's Day massacre more like... Corbyn chasing unicorns and mogg proposing dropping £39bn worth of bombs on brussles
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Thing is there is no export market for unicorns and our consumption will reduce to nothing after Brexit. So what will we then do without the common agricultural policy to manage the supply and price of unicorn meat?

I think we need another "meaningful" vote.
 
Well that was useless.

Looks like No Deal at the end of March?
 
Can someone not table an amendment for a second referendum or to debate a second referendum?
 
May knows that there's no chance of renegotiation with the EU so this is all just about holding the Tories together and deflecting the blame for the inevitable 'no deal' chaos away from her and on to the big bad EU that thwarted the collective will of Parliament.

The Spelman/Dromey Amendment will be interesting, though - a chance for MPs to indicate that they'll prevent 'no deal' if it really comes to it (which it will).
 
Infra-red said:
May knows that there's no chance of renegotiation with the EU so this is all just about holding the Tories together and deflecting the blame for the inevitable 'no deal' chaos away from her and on to the big bad EU that thwarted the collective will of Parliament.

The Spelman/Dromey Amendment will be interesting, though - a chance for MPs to indicate that they'll prevent 'no deal' if it really comes to it (which it will).
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is clearly her hope... But I don't think Brady will pass either
 
sun_tzu said:
Yes they could... Problem is it has nowhere close to a majority...
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Yeah I imagine it would get the parlinentparl version of being laughed out but a simple case of 'don't ask, don't get'. I think the one thing that would do is get huge amount of public interest again - if, and a huge if, the people who want a second referendum scream loud enough then who knows.

I dunno, I just want to avoid No Deal Brexit if we can't avoid No Brexit all together
 
balaks said:
No but it does suggest that if no deal was truly on the table, it simply would not get through the commons.
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It doesn’t have to ‘get through the commons’. If the commons doesn’t pass some legislation to ratify a deal (or withdrawal of A50), we leave without a deal.
 
Let's be honest if the only motion that passes is to rule out no deal may will have a very quick negotiation with the EU...
No negotiation... Get the deal through as it is or withdraw A50... Crack on luv
 
TheGame said:
Spellman motion has won 318-310. No deal off the table (not legally binding though).
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Does show parliament does not support no deal though. Even with 2 months to go and no pressure on.

Not anything new.

This farce has a bit to run yet.
 
sun_tzu said:
Could the commons pass a motion forcing the withdrawal or A50... Afterall parliament voted to trigger it
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As an amendment to government Brexit legislation, maybe. It’s unclear.

I don’t think there would be a majority for withdrawing A50 anyway.
 
sun_tzu said:
Could the commons pass a motion forcing the withdrawal or A50... Afterall parliament voted to trigger it
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Yes as long as it's serious and not just a negotiation tactic. Has to be legislation, just needs a majority.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
It doesn’t have to ‘get through the commons’. If the commons doesn’t pass some legislation to ratify a deal (or withdrawal of A50), we leave without a deal.
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Well no but the political pressure to avoid it just went up a notch plus it also lessens the threat the UK might have had in negotiations as we clearly do not support a no deal. So May needs to deliver a deal.
 
balaks said:
Well no but the political pressure to avoid it just went up a notch plus it also lessens the threat the UK might have had in negotiations as we clearly do not support a no deal. So May needs to deliver a deal.
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She already did.

That is the problem here.
 
Infra-red said:
May knows that there's no chance of renegotiation with the EU so this is all just about holding the Tories together and deflecting the blame for the inevitable 'no deal' chaos away from her and on to the big bad EU that thwarted the collective will of Parliament.

The Spelman/Dromey Amendment will be interesting, though - a chance for MPs to indicate that they'll prevent 'no deal' if it really comes to it (which it will).
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It will do more than that though I think?

If May is directed to renegotiate the WA and the EU refuses to do so (as everyone knows they will) then politics of what is acceptable back in the UK shifts somewhat? As in with each option (even false one) that gets rejected another (like May's deal, for example) becomes more politically palatable to some?
 
Brady gets through. Make no difference at all though. UK still has no alternative to the backstop and EU have flatly (and rightly) refused to move on it. I hope the EU tell them to feck off.
 
May acknowledges there is a "limited appetite" from the EU to reopen the withdrawal agreement and that it won't be easy.
 
balaks said:
Brady gets through. Make no difference at all though. UK still has no alternative to the backstop and EU have flatly (and rightly) refused to move on it. I hope the EU tell them to feck off.
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If they do now may will say it's only because of the no deal amendment that made the EU refuse to negotiate... Labour blocked brexit... Labour and EU's fault we go to a no deal
 
sullydnl said:
It will do more than that though I think?

If May is directed to renegotiate the WA and the EU refuses to do so (as everyone knows they will) then politics of what is acceptable back in the UK shifts somewhat? As in with each option (even false one) that gets rejected another (like May's deal, for example) becomes more politically palatable to some?
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Problem is, the deal itself is bad. The backstop makes it totally unacceptable though. Potentially no escape from it and the government will lose the DUP. The agreed withdrawal agreement will almost certainly never get through parliament.

Hence Brady amendment. Last desperate throw of the dice for May.

Options now still agreed withdrawal agreement, no deal or no Brexit.

Expect EU statement again saying no more negotiations.
 
Jeremy Corbyn responds, saying he is prepared to meet with the prime minister and that he "looks forward" to putting across Labour's views on Brexit
 
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