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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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No it is not. As a Brit living in the UK it is too easy to blame it all on TM. All parties (at least mainstream UK parties) backed the 2016 referendum and agreed to abide by the outcome. That was certainly stupid of all parties but it is what they signed up to. Now every one of them failed to take account of the role of the EU in deciding/agreeing what it would accept. Yes the backstop is a shambles and yes May is responsible for that but only in so far as Parliament never did have a clue on how it would react to a 'NO' vote......and too much is being made by the opposition regarding how they can effect a change of government rather than how they can facilitate how to go forward with a united front with negotiations. Do not see my country winning whichever way things go......too much ignoring of the concerns of others for other than much disenchantment or disenfranchisment going forward for this to be resolved in the next generation or two. Yes we might stay in the EU but we will continue to be reluctant participants and every time something goes wrong ...e.g. immigration or worse many in the UK will place the blame firmly and squarely on the EU. Much the same as if we do leave the EU many will say at every opportunity how bad things are and how much better things would be if we had remained.

What really does p*** me off however is folks such as Paul the Wolf who seems to take great delight with pointing out how daft/illogical/stupid folks have been in voting to leave the EU whilst being British in origin. I could understand it if he was/is a Francophile......but a Brit seemingly to gloat about the predicament that I cannot understand for whoever is Prime Minister of the UK will be between a rock and a hard place. For better or worse the 2016 referendum as supposed to be binding on the government irrespective of who lied and to what degree. As for the idea that folks did not know what type of Brexit they were voting for is concerned you could and should equally argue what type of 'Remain' conditions will be in place should we revoke our leaving is equally valid.

Whatever happens all I really know is that Democracy in the UK has been dealt a bitter blow that will take more than my lifetime to repair and that indeed is the saddest thing of all whatever the eventual outcome.

"I do not see my country winning", who the hell are you trying to win against. This is the same pathetic line as Leave won, suck it up.
Which nationality I am is irrelevant.
Brexit will be a disaster for the UK and that is obvious to anyone who has the slightest intelligence or who doesn't have another agenda.

You are now going to tell me what the UK looks like, socially and economically when it leaves the EU in two months time because you knew what the Leavers voted for. No they had no clue what they were voting for.
At the time of the referendum the terms of Remain were , status quo, as you were.

If May or Corbyn remain as leaders of their parties, the UK are in trouble. They both have no intention other than feeding their own personal interest and do not have the countries interest at heart.

I cannot identify with the current British attitude and as far as I'm concerned the traitors of the UK are the people who voted leave who are willingly making the country a poorer country for reasons I despair of..

I would like the UK to change its mind and stay in the EU which would be the best for the UK and the EU. Putting the fate of a country into the hands of people who have not the faintest idea of what they are doing is idiotic beyond belief.
 
I'm minded to ignore any of the options to change the withdrawal agreement. It's all just time wasting and of no interest or consequence

Ultimately May agreed and signed off on the deal. That is the issue here. No reason for the EU to reopen it, same as in December. If the EU and UK hadn't agreed a deal at all would be very different. They have though. Its crystal clear. Nebulous.

Just interested to see how the other options play out in the time left.

Are you a proud member of british politics?:p
 
May still banging on about returning to the EU and negotiating for the backstop.
 
Bloody hell.. The announcement of that was so weird.

That head nodding thing freaked me out. :lol:
 
9:27
BREAKINGSNP amendment defeated
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House of Commons

Parliament

The government wins this vote too - the SNP amendment is defeated.

The votes are:

For: 39

Against: 327

Majority: 288

A lot of abstentions... Presumably labour?

And again 327 with the government... Be interesting to see how many of that peals off for the cooper Boyles and spellman options
 
9:27
BREAKINGSNP amendment defeated
4db5ca1a-1ce7-48de-b415-cf885adb8ecf.png

House of Commons

Parliament

The government wins this vote too - the SNP amendment is defeated.

The votes are:

For: 39

Against: 327

Majority: 288

A lot of abstentions... Presumably labour?

And again 327 with the government... Be interesting to see how many of that peals off for the cooper Boyles and spellman options

Yep Labour abstained on that one.
 
If the Cooper amendment doesn't pass the nays need taking into a room and shooting when we end up with no deal.
 
These are much better results for the government than expected. Shitfaced grin's amendment later on looking likelier now.
 
YOU may well have known that you were kidding but to post potentially inflammatory words like those was not sensible IMHO.

For those reasons the post should be removed.

Him and the rest of the English speaking world*

* except Buster15
 
One thing to remember and it's why May stressed it earlier, they've still another opportunity to table motions on Feb 14th. I think that's why some have given the government a win here
 
What an absolute waste of time. The EU have said they will now renegotiate yet we think we can force them by passing a motion. Ridiculous. All leading towards a no-deal, what ERG want and May has handed it to them on a plate.