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Even accounting for inflation for the incomes it’s insane.

In my head, 50% total deductions seems an arbitrarily fair amount for higher incomes. Half of everything you earn.

My biggest gripe is being taxed again on taxed income through VAT, stamp duty, fuel duty, council tax etc.
And then taxed again when you die.
 
"My way or no deal, and if that happens you;re all screwed"

The real project fear.
 
EU workers in the UK need to collectively go on strike right now and stay on strike until they're all given guarantees of remaining if they want any chance of being treated like humans post brexit.
 
EU workers in the UK need to collectively go on strike right now and stay on strike until they're all given guarantees of remaining if they want any chance of being treated like humans post brexit.

Or they could just return to their home countries, leaving millions of vacancies that can not possibly be filled unless we invite immigration, particularly from Europe.
 
The deal should be scrapped, keep membership as it is for now and see how things go in the future in my opinion.

Compared to the farce currently unfolding that would be the sensible thing to do, which obviously guarantees it won't be done.
 
Looking at and comparing arbitrary taxation rates isn't of much value without considering standard of living overall. It's the standard of living the post-tax income affords you that matters.

Also i doubt for instance those commuting on the trains daily would mind if taxation went up if it meant lower ticket prices and they profited overall. It's when they don't see the gained value that's the issue i.e. they have a price on helping out the poor and it's very very low
 
What is the benefit of greater efficiency if the increased efficiency only benefits the profits of foreign operators?

I don't think we should re-nationalise everything, but I don't think its as black and white as you're suggesting
I can’t believe someone actually thinks operating anything inefficiently is to the benefit of anyone.

Nice strawman dude. Noone can argue that for-profit railway operation has failed.
And government run railway as it was decades ago was not a complete and utter failure?

Take a look at Japan as an example, it’s become far more profitable and efficient since the monopoly was broken up. They can even afford a 5.1 trillion yen investment in the Chuo Shinkansen
 
Or they could just return to their home countries, leaving millions of vacancies that can not possibly be filled unless we invite immigration, particularly from Europe.
Alternatively invite immigration from the US? There may be enough people fed up with Trump...
 
I can’t believe someone actually thinks operating anything inefficiently is to the benefit of anyone.

The logic is pretty easy to understand, but I will spell it out for you as you seem simple minded.

An inefficiently run rail network is cheaper for the public than an efficient but privately run network + profits + subsidies.
 
The logic is pretty easy to understand, but I will spell it out for you as you seem simple minded.

An inefficiently run rail network is cheaper for the public than an efficient but privately run network + profits + subsidies.
"Hello Mr. Thompson"

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Looking at and comparing arbitrary taxation rates isn't of much value without considering standard of living overall. It's the standard of living the post-tax income affords you that matters.

Also i doubt for instance those commuting on the trains daily would mind if taxation went up if it meant lower ticket prices and they profited overall. It's when they don't see the gained value that's the issue i.e. they have a price on helping out the poor and it's very very low
I don’t disagree with it being meaningless in isolation, apart from a principle thing. Paying >half of your income is always going to grate, regardless of cost of living.
 
The logic is pretty easy to understand, but I will spell it out for you as you seem simple minded.

An inefficiently run rail network is cheaper for the public than an efficient but privately run network + profits + subsidies.
If that's true, it's only because the government is subsidizing the inefficient network.

Whilst in the other scenario, they're not doing enough to limit the profit the more efficient operator is making by either introducing more competition.
 
if we're basing is on less fun more money waste workers should get paid more than ceos
OK never mind the fun part. Despite that it might not need the same level of expertise, managing people is much more complex than conducting research.

To be clear, I am not suggesting scientific researchers are paid well. I just object to the blanket statement that scientific researchers should be paid more than managers.
 
OK never mind the fun part. Despite that it might not need the same level of expertise, managing people is much more complex than conducting research.

To be clear, I am not suggesting scientific researchers are paid well. I just object to the blanket statement that scientific researchers should be paid more than managers.
considering the amount of braindead morons who can't tie their own shoes that become managers through brown nosing and bootlicking I doubt the complexity of the job
 
considering the amount of braindead morons who can't tie their own shoes that become managers through brown nosing and bootlicking I doubt the complexity of the job
Well, you should be more specific then. That might be true for some managers in some contexts.
 
I don’t know about the complexities of being a researcher but I’ve managed people for 15+ years, large teams of people from lots of different countries, with all of their own individual problems - it’s not easy at all.
 
I don’t know about the complexities of being a researcher but I’ve managed people for 15+ years, large teams of people from lots of different countries, with all of their own individual problems - it’s not easy at all.
This. People are by far the hardest part of my job.
 
Just had an ex employee pop in to see me. He's Polish, a very skilled engineer and a nice bloke.

Been in the UK 13 years but is now going back to Poland.

He tells me that the community he knows in this region is now a fraction of what it was because everyone is going back.

There are some that have relatives in other parts of the country and the same is happening everywhere.

There are numerous reasons but the main one is because they don't know what the future will be here.

It is a bloody shame that this seems to be the case.
 
Just had an ex employee pop in to see me. He's Polish, a very skilled engineer and a nice bloke.

Been in the UK 13 years but is now going back to Poland.

He tells me that the community he knows in this region is now a fraction of what it was because everyone is going back.

There are some that have relatives in other parts of the country and the same is happening everywhere.

There are numerous reasons but the main one is because they don't know what the future will be here.

It is a bloody shame that this seems to be the case.
That's exactly what millions voted for, sadly.
 


they can't muster 48 votes for a no confidence vote against may but half of them are telling journalists they're going to vote against the deal, some hella empty threats right there
 
British Rail was a national laughing stock, public transport in t his country has always been a joke.
It's even worse now you have to take out a mortgage to get from Birmingham to London on a peak time train. Even then unless you booked your seat it's standing room only.
 
In summary the Political Declaration means that if the UK finds a solution to the Irish border problem then the UK will then be heading for a Hard Brexit. Should reassure business no end.

Fortunately there is no solution unless you give credence to the “blue sky thinking” (also known as back of a beer mat scribbling after a good liquid lunch) of David Davis about checks based on chips, scanners and drones. I think that sentence is just a sop to the DUP.
 
Fortunately there is no solution unless you give credence to the “blue sky thinking” (also known as back of a beer mat scribbling after a good liquid lunch) of David Davis about checks based on chips, scanners and drones. I think that sentence is just a sop to the DUP.

Yep. Waiting for the magical unicorn.
The UK are right back to pre-referendum but wasted two and a half years doing it.
Can't have Brexit if the Irish problem isn't resolved but if it is solved it's off the cliff.

On top of that no-one is happy. Continued uncertainty.

It seems that the vision of Brexit is Theresa May's personal vision of Brexit, sounds very democratic.

I would accuse her of being xenophobic but it could actually be worse than that, she just doesn't seem to like people, full stop.

Edit: Plus of course, the UK loses their representation and vote in March.
 
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