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can't see Corbyn caving now
he'd just be agreeing to take joint blame, basically
he'd just be agreeing to take joint blame, basically
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I've not long completed Mass Effect 3 again.
The Tories wanted the 'Control' ending with May's deal, but it didn't work so we were all lined up for the destroy ending with no-deal Brexit, but it seems late-doors, May has plumped for synthesis.
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The Tories wanted the 'Control' ending with May's deal, but it didn't work so we were all lined up for the destroy ending with no-deal Brexit, but it seems late-doors, May has plumped for synthesis.
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Not hard to see who to blame if we lurch out without a deal. Hint: the blue lot.
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I completely disagree. Trump managed to become president while Boris's attempt to become PM was ended by a lizard. He has a larger vocabulary than Trump, that's it. Watching him cry about the current state of brexit makes my blood boil.
I was listening to radio five this morning and they were interviewing a Tory MP, didn't catch his name.
He was very unhappy that TM was to discuss a way forward with the most left wing opposition for decades. He then went on a typical rant about Labour, completely missing the point that the only possible option left (I was going to say remaining) was to get cross party consensus.
To me it just summed up the whole problem. Our politicians have descended into the same level as opposing football supporters.
Both hating eachother and chanting obscenities at eachother and yet both loving the game.
He was very unhappy that TM was to discuss a way forward with the most left wing opposition for decades. He then went on a typical rant about Labour, completely missing the point that the only possible option left (I was going to say remaining) was to get cross party consensus.
To me it just summed up the whole problem. Our politicians have descended into the same level as opposing football supporters.
Both hating eachother and chanting obscenities at eachother and yet both loving the game.
If the WA has been this tedious, imagine how bad a future relationship discussion is going to be? The idea we can come up with one in three years is a fantasy.
I don't think Trump would have a snowflake's chance in hell of succeeding in British politics.
Easiest trade deal in history mate, havent you been listening?
Not hard to see who to blame if we lurch out without a deal. Hint: the blue lot.
You could just as easily blame Labour for not supporting May’s deal. The deadlock is due to the political system itself.
The Tories actively want no deal.
Owen Smith the lying scumbag on skynews talking about wanting custom union and single market. He literally voted against both these things 2 days ago
There is plenty of blame to go around and Labour deserve some of it, but the vast bulk of it lies with the Tories. Brexit is a Tory project and they have made a dreadful mess of it.
Unfortunately, what was once a party obsession, has become a national obsession, and we've diminished ourselves on the international stage and likely taken a wrecking ball to our economy as a result.
I thought something like this would happen. Jezzer seems to have jumped on board with the idea too. I reckon she has dangled a GE at him to get her deal across the line. It is just the exit part, and that is what she sees as her mission. After that she probably doesn't care anymore. In any case such thinking has some merit IMO. Jezz doesn't care much about the DUP and will probably relish pissing them off by passing the WA (ditto ERG).
The argument then will be totally about the future relationship. Everything will be on the table including the Canada+++ FTA.
In a GE, with a new Tory leader and the WA passed, parties will be much more able to state a clear position in their manifestos. Tories will probably go on an FTA (no SM or CU), Labour might go on 'a' CU/close alignment blah blah.
From May's POV she can stick two fingers up to the likes of Boris saying - you wanted to be PM, so there you go. Knowing that he will have to fight his own party to get the leadership and then Labour to get into No. 10.
The argument then will be totally about the future relationship. Everything will be on the table including the Canada+++ FTA.
In a GE, with a new Tory leader and the WA passed, parties will be much more able to state a clear position in their manifestos. Tories will probably go on an FTA (no SM or CU), Labour might go on 'a' CU/close alignment blah blah.
From May's POV she can stick two fingers up to the likes of Boris saying - you wanted to be PM, so there you go. Knowing that he will have to fight his own party to get the leadership and then Labour to get into No. 10.
They opened Pandora’s Box, I’m just talking about where are right now.
That makes Labour more culpable for not compromising, not less.
What time the MPs will vote again tonight lads?
Which party decided to have a referendum?
Which party has since ‘led’ the negotiations?
As per above, I’m taking about the current political deadlock, not how we got here.
Culpable for what? Labour shouldn't be in the position to choose between a bad deal and no deal. That's on the Tories and specifically May.
If we go out with no deal May is the only reason, it's mostly in her power to extend or compromise.
If Labour voted for May’s deal it would pass, simple as that.
wonder how many more by the end of the week?
3D chess, or something.
Funny you quoted the answer:
The UK HoC is not the China People's Congress who just rubber stamp everything.
"Cook up a deal with a Marxist", are we living on the same planet as these people?
Except using your football supporter analogy, it's like United fans actively seeking relegation in an attempt to stop Liverpool winning the league. Even though Liverpool aren't going to win the league anyway and United going down would have no bearing either way.
Risky game they are playing as they still may get the hard Brexit they don't want, possibly barring a few who are pandering to their electorates.
And Corbyn is fecking useless but the Tories deserve the vast majority of the blame. Cameron started the shit show. ERG types have wanted hard Brexit from the start IMO. May has been utterly pathetic. So they are all shit but the Tories own this fiasco.
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If May compromised it would pass, simple as that.
To use a bad analogy Maybot has us driving out of control and is giving her passengers the choice between driving off a cliff or into a wall and you're blaming the passengers for shouting for her to avoid both? If they end off the cliff it's their fault?
Surely its simple logic that if someone is needlessly enforcing two bad choices then the subjects of that aren't to blame the enforcer is
Nobody junior minister trying to win some favour and coverage i think. I imagine we'll see a few more though as the ERG start to press people
If all Tory MPs voted for it, it would pass.
75 voted against in MV2 and 118 in MV1.
I don't think it's me that's stuck in the seventies.
You said the EU had changed - you mentioned foM and an EU Army. The idea from the beginning was to encompass more and more countries in Europe. We're all still separate nations.
If anyone's stuck in the seventies to think it would stay just as nine countries is a little bit naïve. I hope more countries become part. You couldn't be more wrong.
Of the 4 reasons I listed which one applies to Labour's position?
Christ, if ever you needed reminding of what a bunch of tossers the Tories are.
I've criticised and been disappointed with Corbyn and Labour throughout this whole fiasco but they're not even in the same galaxy as those cnuts.
This supposed compromise is really an attempt to drag Labour down with them. Its disgusting but I don't have much sympathy for Labour either. Sad reality is, both will recover from this because our political system will not allow an outside party to be in control.
probably if may / coybyn agree and announce anything will be the time...
Exactly my point, both sides are doing the same thing.
Trouble is, there's no consensus over what constitutes a "good" choice, as the indicative votes have made clear, so that argument doesnt really follow. Whatever solution is offered, a majority of MPs disagree with it, so the deadlock continues.
if labour dont have the political nouce to avoid the trap that everybody can see then frankly they deserve to be dragged down...
If May and Corbyn join forces, then arm in arm lead us out of the EU to a soft Brexit, it would probably break both parties in half. And for that reason, well, I just dont see it happening.
There's a clear direction from the commons that certain options are preferable to Mays deal so you're wrong. A majority isn't needed to put the option on the table.
The CU and/or single market would have passed with government votes.
May has taken no deal off the table she says, that should be demonstration enough that no deal occurring is 90% on May.
Yeah they can't be that stupid right? Right?!
I find it disgusting that people are responding in this way before they've even heard or seen what the deal might be.
How has cooperation developed such a negative connotation?
How has cooperation developed such a negative connotation?