More than a bit sensitive there? I am off course kidding with that post
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You absolute donut.YOU may well have known that you were kidding but to post potentially inflammatory words like those was not sensible IMHO.
For those reasons the post should be removed.
I have no idea what that actually means.
There is something of a ironic balance between the leadership positions of May and Corbyn which cancels each other out. May is fundamentally a Remainer leading a party that is mainly committed to Leave and Corbyn is a Leaver leading a party that is mainly Remain.
Like two drunks meeting on the street each attempting to pass the other, but without sufficient clarity of thought or control of their actions, both unable or unwilling to back up, or find a way around, they finish up holding each other up and no progress is made.
Like two drunks meeting on the street each attempting to pass the other, but without sufficient clarity of thought or control of their actions, both unable or unwilling to back up, or find a way around, they finish up holding each other up and no progress is made.
So looks like May could win a vote for an amendment... that has little to no chance of being agreed to by the EU. She is placing party harmony ahead of the country.
If it passes = minor tory win, she blames the eu when it fails.
If it fails = she blames the opposition.
As you say this isn't an action to make progress on brexit but to set a narrative. It'll work with the media so it's no surprise
How is it inflammatory?
She spoke to Juncker before making her statement on the amendment. Make of that as you will.
Shambles / Farce continues. Not really interesting happening apart from the Cooper amendment.
Nothing changed sine November / December, all getting very repetitive, as no one has a solution since May agreed the deal.
May asked to change the backstop in December after postponing the vote, and now asking again...
May cannot blame anyone else for the Backstop. May was very happy to have it in the agreement. (It seems it was actually suggested by the British negotiators) May signed off on the agreement happily, with the backstop in it.
She can try to blame others using her propaganda machine.
It is very obvious who is to blame for the backstop shambles. It isn't Labour, It isn't the EU.
It is Theresa May!
Nothing changed sine November / December, all getting very repetitive, as no one has a solution since May agreed the deal.
May asked to change the backstop in December after postponing the vote, and now asking again...
May cannot blame anyone else for the Backstop. May was very happy to have it in the agreement. (It seems it was actually suggested by the British negotiators) May signed off on the agreement happily, with the backstop in it.
She can try to blame others using her propaganda machine.
It is very obvious who is to blame for the backstop shambles. It isn't Labour, It isn't the EU.
It is Theresa May!
It may affect the battle for market share between Aldi and Lidl. You should have referred to both of them when bringing out the spirit of Stan Boardman.
This is exactly how Aldi Germany started.
He was being politically correct because Aldi wasn't formed till after the war, whereas Lidl was.
That's the voice!
It’s such a strange job. Basically spends most of his time wacking a table with a hammer and bellowing at people but also seems to be able to be a major influence on how parliament is run. God only knows what the interview process is like.
Given we know the EU will reject an attempt to reopen the withdrawal agreement, is there any political benefit for May in having them officially do so?
By which I mean given how unpopular every option seems to be to the UK, does dead-ending arguments like "we need to reopen the withdrawal agreement" push people towards a narrower range of possible positions? Or make it politically easier for them to accept ones that are less desirable from their POV?
By which I mean given how unpopular every option seems to be to the UK, does dead-ending arguments like "we need to reopen the withdrawal agreement" push people towards a narrower range of possible positions? Or make it politically easier for them to accept ones that are less desirable from their POV?
No it is not. As a Brit living in the UK it is too easy to blame it all on TM. All parties (at least mainstream UK parties) backed the 2016 referendum and agreed to abide by the outcome. That was certainly stupid of all parties but it is what they signed up to. Now every one of them failed to take account of the role of the EU in deciding/agreeing what it would accept. Yes the backstop is a shambles and yes May is responsible for that but only in so far as Parliament never did have a clue on how it would react to a 'NO' vote......and too much is being made by the opposition regarding how they can effect a change of government rather than how they can facilitate how to go forward with a united front with negotiations. Do not see my country winning whichever way things go......too much ignoring of the concerns of others for other than much disenchantment or disenfranchisment going forward for this to be resolved in the next generation or two. Yes we might stay in the EU but we will continue to be reluctant participants and every time something goes wrong ...e.g. immigration or worse many in the UK will place the blame firmly and squarely on the EU. Much the same as if we do leave the EU many will say at every opportunity how bad things are and how much better things would be if we had remained.
What really does p*** me off however is folks such as Paul the Wolf who seems to take great delight with pointing out how daft/illogical/stupid folks have been in voting to leave the EU whilst being British in origin. I could understand it if he was/is a Francophile......but a Brit seemingly to gloat about the predicament that I cannot understand for whoever is Prime Minister of the UK will be between a rock and a hard place. For better or worse the 2016 referendum as supposed to be binding on the government irrespective of who lied and to what degree. As for the idea that folks did not know what type of Brexit they were voting for is concerned you could and should equally argue what type of 'Remain' conditions will be in place should we revoke our leaving is equally valid.
Whatever happens all I really know is that Democracy in the UK has been dealt a bitter blow that will take more than my lifetime to repair and that indeed is the saddest thing of all whatever the eventual outcome.
The government should sacrifice their political careers and put an end to this brexit shite. Its the economic equivolent of letting a toddler walk in to traffic because they wanted to. The fact leave fooled a load of people definitely should be taken into consideration because we're definitely heading for a recession, which will take years to sort out. The country could easily be irreversibly damaged, especially by no deal. Even the most simple things we rely on on a daily basis likr fresh food will be fecked if we leave with no deal and there aren't many reasons for the eu to give us more than they already have.
There are few viewpoints more moronic than brexit means brexit at this point.
Oh I am sure that Aldi workers or people associated with Aldi for example would have found it hilarious.
Not quite sure how you would think it amusing.
May has made a mess of this process, regardless of the difficulties. Out of ambition to lead her party and become PM, she has constantly pandered to the hardliners in her party. There was absolutely no need to serve Art 50 so early and without any regard to what was a realistic outcome. Also, she is temperamentally unsuited to this role, being a poor communicator and a micro manager who will not trust anyone outside her inner circle at a time when a consensus builder was desperately needed.
As regards revoke and remain, it would be on the same terms - no leap in the dark and hope to find unicorns there.
Do you work in Aldi?
Anyone reading these offended by Aldi joke?
If you’re offended by that then you haven’t been around the caf much
Keep playing with it and It'll cum to you.
I suspect Aldi workers would have had a smug giggle knowing that the company was only founded in 1946
"inflammatory". That's given me a right giggle.Looking ahead if the cooper boyles amendment goes through may is going to say the only reason she couldn't negotiate a better deal was because of labour isn't she...
Labour took away our best negotiation tool and crippled the negotiation... They won't back a deal and they won't let us negotiate a new one
Yup if she has to call an election that's her campaign right there...
Labour took away our best negotiation tool and crippled the negotiation... They won't back a deal and they won't let us negotiate a new one
Yup if she has to call an election that's her campaign right there...
Yes, because everyone who works for massive multinationals would be offended at insults to the company.
Thank you to Richard Head AKA Dick.
Deutschland uber Aldi!
Yup it's all about making the EU out to be the baddies
When are the results due... Around 9pm?
Oh just checked... Results every 15 mins or so
First up the labour amendment... Permanent customs union
Oh just checked... Results every 15 mins or so
First up the labour amendment... Permanent customs union
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Yeah main ones will be 8 onwards so just before 9 i reckon. Usually 15min each roughly
The Aldi party, got a whole new meaning to it now
the Labour amendment is defeated.
The votes came in at: 296 in favour but 327 against with a majority of 31.
The votes came in at: 296 in favour but 327 against with a majority of 31.
Permanent customs union defeated (official labour amendment)
296 to 327
296 to 327
Corbyn amendment defeated 296 - 327
I'm minded to ignore any of the options to change the withdrawal agreement. It's all just time wasting and of no interest or consequence
Ultimately May agreed and signed off on the deal. That is the issue here. No reason for the EU to reopen it, same as in December. If the EU and UK hadn't agreed a deal at all would be very different. They have though. Its crystal clear. Nebulous.
Just interested to see how the other options play out in the time left.
Ultimately May agreed and signed off on the deal. That is the issue here. No reason for the EU to reopen it, same as in December. If the EU and UK hadn't agreed a deal at all would be very different. They have though. Its crystal clear. Nebulous.
Just interested to see how the other options play out in the time left.