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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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devilish said:
Farage is committed to participate in the next mep elections.. I guess that is the UK's strongest threat to a deal yet
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Quite right...the EU fears this almost as much as a no deal scenario. Personally cannot see them extending Art 50 by any time scale that might allow for our continuing membership and to get caught up in the next MEP elections. The results of such elections may well make the divisions in the EU Parliament thereafter, such that it will make the Trump v Democrats battles in the USA look positively sane!

Suspect that if anything happens to Art 50 it will be it that it will run its course to a no deal ending, or it will get pulled completely and we stay in the EU.
 
Sultan said:
Basically saying its fine to ruin the country and people's livelihoods than find alternative options. Electorates are human beings and are allowed to make mistakes. The right and decent thing to do is to rectify these mistakes in the best way possible.

What's more mind-numbing is this from a development secretary.
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Except it doesn't really feel like the electorate thinks they've made a mistake, given the number of people who seem absolutely fine with leaving with no deal.
 
Klopper76 said:


This is a spectacular mess.
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It is a shambles.

No one really has a clue what would happen with no deal as it depends on EU / UK government actions. Ignoring all the scaremongering, it's still not a risk any sane government should be taking with the lively-hoods of the 60m odd people in the country.

Hopefully the grieve copper no deal amendment will pass and Parliament will take control of the process as the clock runs down. I still think we should just withdraw article 50, parliament should explain that the withdrawal agreement was not acceptable neither is no deal so we don't have any other choice. Then we should have a GE.

Definitely do not want another referendum on the back of May's total failure in the last two years. Going to be incredibly bitter and the result would never be accepted anyway making it pointless.

Debate on the subject can continue but the process and implementation of it needs to be killed off for the foreseeable.
 
Mb194dc said:
It is a shambles.

No one really has a clue what would happen with no deal as it depends on EU / UK government actions. Ignoring all the scaremongering, it's still not a risk any sane government should be taking with the lively-hoods of the 60m odd people in the country.

Hopefully the grieve copper no deal amendment will pass and Parliament will take control of the process as the clock runs down. I still think we should just withdraw article 50, parliament should explain that the withdrawal agreement was not acceptable neither is no deal so we don't have any other choice. Then we should have a GE.

Definitely do not want another referendum on the back of May's total failure in the last two years. Going to be incredibly bitter and the result would never be accepted anyway making it pointless.

Debate on the subject can continue but the process and implementation of it needs to be killed off for the foreseeable.
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Definitely agree with you regarding another referendum. What if Remain wins by 52-48? That's not conclusive at all (and I think No Deal Brexit would get more votes than people might think).
 
Mogg now talking about closing down parlaiment in order to prevent elected MPs from passing amendments :wenger:

They're going to get someone killed because the far right types will take this shit on board.
 
Smores said:
Mogg now talking about closing down parlaiment in order to prevent elected MPs from passing amendments :wenger:

They're going to get someone killed because the far right types will take this shit on board.
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This would be anti constitutional if you had a constitution right?
 
Smores said:
Mogg now talking about closing down parlaiment in order to prevent elected MPs from passing amendments :wenger:

They're going to get someone killed because the far right types will take this shit on board.
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At this stage anyone with half a brain should realize he's a bit too invested in wanting a no deal Brexit to happen. Once you realize that you can disregard almost everything he says on the matter.
 
Smores said:
Mogg now talking about closing down parlaiment in order to prevent elected MPs from passing amendments :wenger:

They're going to get someone killed because the far right types will take this shit on board.
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My guess is that he'd (and his clients) be losing a lot of money if such amendments were passed
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Corbyn is having a nightmare in PMQ with his Custom Union.
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He is simply not strong or clever or able enough to lead his own party let alone our country.

His close supporters may love him but that just proves that they are a party happy to be in opposition but just don't have the intellectual thought processes to be in power.
And that is not good.
 
Buster15 said:
He is simply not strong or clever or able enough to lead his own party let alone our country.

His close supporters may love him but that just proves that they are a party happy to be in opposition but just don't have the intellectual thought processes to be in power.
And that is not good.
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To be fair mate i think the last few years have revealed the Tories to have the same problem.
 
stevoc said:
To be fair mate i think the last few years have revealed the Tories to have the same problem.
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Yes. Of course. But the reason I posted this was that I have been a Labour supporter.

Now I only support Manchester United.
 
Buster15 said:
He is simply not strong or clever or able enough to lead his own party let alone our country.

His close supporters may love him but that just proves that they are a party happy to be in opposition but just don't have the intellectual thought processes to be in power.
And that is not good.
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Agree totally.

The Tories have been atrocious and May is a hopeless PM and has even lost a vote by 230 votes but somehow Corbyn looks even worse. How is this possible?

If Labour want to be in power they have to have a leader with some appeal and quality that extends further than their core base.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Agree totally.

The Tories have been atrocious and May is a hopeless PM and has even lost a vote by 230 votes but somehow Corbyn looks even worse. How is this possible?

If Labour want to be in power they have to have a leader with some appeal and quality that extends further than their core base.
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I have Corbynistas in my family so I am happy to pass on the answer to this question, which I myself have asked.

"It's the BBC's fault."

That's right folks. Its a media conspiracy, an establishment stitch up, to make Corbyn look like an incompetent plonker. In actual fact he is brimming with great ideas and is, in fact, playing a blinder, if only the media would report on all the awesome things he says and does.

"He's not perfect. Of course he isnt. But his problems are mainly style, not substance."

This is the world according to The Corbynista.
 
Adebesi said:
I have Corbynistas in my family so I am happy to pass on the answer to this question, which I myself have asked.

"It's the BBC's fault."

That's right folks. Its a media conspiracy, an establishment stitch up, to make Corbyn look like an incompetent plonker. In actual fact he is brimming with great ideas and is, in fact, playing a blinder, if only the media would report on all the awesome things he says and does.

"He's not perfect. Of course he isnt. But his problems are mainly style, not substance."

This is the world according to The Corbynista.
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Can you ask them to summarize the substance?
 
Adebesi said:
I have Corbynistas in my family so I am happy to pass on the answer to this question, which I myself have asked.

"It's the BBC's fault."

That's right folks. Its a media conspiracy, an establishment stitch up, to make Corbyn look like an incompetent plonker. In actual fact he is brimming with great ideas and is, in fact, playing a blinder, if only the media would report on all the awesome things he says and does.

"He's not perfect. Of course he isnt. But his problems are mainly style, not substance."

This is the world according to The Corbynista.
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Before Brexit I'd never heard of him and other than snippets here and there about his past which I've no idea whether it is true or not.

I've not too much interest outside Brexit whether Tories or Labour are in power.

I'm purely judging him on his performance as a politician. He always seems to be reading from a script and when put on the spot doesn't have the ability to be able to respond.
Now if I was in the UK and was a traditionally Tory voter or a hesitant voter, there's no way I'd vote for him and that's before I've considered his policies.
 
Smores said:
Mogg now talking about closing down parlaiment in order to prevent elected MPs from passing amendments :wenger:

They're going to get someone killed because the far right types will take this shit on board.
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Heard on the Radio this morning that far right extremism is growing. 14 Islamic terrorist plots and 4 right wing extremist terrorist plots were foiled last year.
 
JPRouve said:
Can you ask them to summarize the substance?
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The substance is that he isnt a Tory. A Tory, or a Red Tory. He isnt Blairite, he isnt an establishment stooge, he is a conviction socialist, a candidate that offers actual change, rather than the kind of bullshit change-in-name-only that New Labour represented.

I dont know how much deeper than that it goes. I want to say not much, but perhaps I am not giving him or them enough credit. Ultimately the conversation always gets derailed by questions about whether he is a terrorist sympathiser and an anti semite, which drives people into their tribal positions and blocks discussions about policy.

I never get the sense that his opinions have changed one iota since the 1970s. I think there is an interesting socialist case to make by someone who is both financially and technologically literate, but I dont ever see or hear him making it. And I dont think that is because he lacks charisma or presentational skills, I think he lacks vision.

I also still believe, as I did shortly after he won, that he never wanted to be in the position he's in, and resents not being on his allotment digging up his turnips.

As an aside, here is an amusing excerpt from a political book, Start Again, by Philip Collins:

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Paul the Wolf said:


Amazing how all these intellectually challenged buffoons are given jobs as consultants.

Thanks for the advice Davis, now I know what not to do.
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60k for 20 hours a year isn't half bad. Considering he has shown himself to know feck all he's done a good deal. What could possibly be in it for that company, though?


:lol:
 
Buster15 said:
Yes. Of course. But the reason I posted this was that I have been a Labour supporter.

Now I only support Manchester United.
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Oh i wasn't trying to paint you as a Tory mate, just pointing out we're no better off with the Tories in power. Brexit has shown them all to be as incompetent as each other.
 
Abizzz said:
60k for 20 hours a year isn't half bad. Considering he has shown himself to know feck all he's done a good deal. What could possibly be in it for that company, though?


:lol:
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Lobbying. It's pure corruption, Davis is in a position to influence policies and Mr. Bamford is willing to pay for it.
 
Sassy Colin said:
And that's only since the middle of December.
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Not at all.
I have supported Manchester United since not long after the Munich disaster and have travelled up to OT many times.

I was elated when Jose was appointed and disappointed that things didn't turn out as hoped.

A true supporter follows their team through good and bad.
 
Buster15 said:
Not at all.
I have supported Manchester United since not long after the Munich disaster and have travelled up to OT many times.

I was elated when Jose was appointed and disappointed that things didn't turn out as hoped.

A true supporter follows their team through good and bad.
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I was only joking :lol:

You support Bristol Rovers anyway :confused:
 
Was listening to a podcast this morning and they were saying that most of Dyson's productions has been outside of the UK since 2003 and that the UK is a base for R&D and will continue to be so, making the story look more cynical than it is. There is also a growing market in Asia, so there is some other context than Brexit.
 
Sassy Colin said:
I was only joking :lol:

You support Bristol Rovers anyway :confused:
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No offence taken I assure you.
I used to watch Bristol Rovers for many years and they remain my local team but Manchester United are my true love.

You would be surprised how many people from Bristol follow United.
 
saivet said:
Was listening to a podcast this morning and they were saying that most of Dyson's productions has been outside of the UK since 2003 and that the UK is a base for R&D and will continue to be so, making the story look more cynical than it is. There is also a growing market in Asia, so there is some other context than Brexit.
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They still get access to the single market in Singapore though I think as they recently signed a new trade deal with the EU?

You get hyperbole on both sides mind. The Bentley CEO’s comments were much less alarmist in full context than what was reported in The Guardian.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I’m guessing exports. A weaker pound helps with that.

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75% of their production is exported.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/apr/11/jcb-britain-yellow-digger-money-machine-sales
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And i'm guessing influence. There will be a lot of fine print to be sorted after the 29th of march (whichever way this goes) and they are positioning themselves. (Sorry, it was meant as a rhetorical question). They are also huge steel consumers so I'm not sure how much they'd really benefit from a lower pound (which also devalues all of their assets).
 
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