Everyone is going to have to compromise, nobody is going to get their ideal outcome.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opinion/sunday/brexit-ireland-empire.html
Good piece that says it as it is.
Good piece that says it as it is.
Never know, might yet remain
Its the hope that hurts the most.Never know, might yet remain
And a vote on Tuesday I think?
Will be interesting to see the amendments that are chosen to be voted on as there are a lot being spoken about.
In theory brexit should look a lot clearer on Wednesday morning however I still don't rule out may rolling the dice on a snap general election if she feels she has lost control of the process
No deal and the withdrawal agreement are both unacceptable.
Nothing else is on the table or even been asked for. Government hemed in by different factions in the conservative party.
Grieve, or national government coalition most likely.
You're being extremely optimistic that Brexit will look clearer.
All I see a GE doing is giving them a break from the squabbling and then recommencing where they left off and continue going round in circles.
Then whatever is decided it has also got to be agreed by all the relevant parties outside parliament i.e. the organisations that really have to agree, the EU, EFTA etc.
No I'm saying after the vote on Tuesday it should look clearer (can parliment take over... Is there really a majority who will vote to prevent no deal etc)... But that if that happens I half expect may to open up a general election which as you say clouds things even more than now
I just can't see how May would resolve that a GE is her best course of action out of this. She's crap at it and her party is riven. If she just wants the sweet release of political death she might as well just resign and be done with it.
Not a fan of Penfold at all, but this was a good watch
Not sure that is the case if its a no deal scenario? At the end of the Art 50 period if there is no agreement on withdrawal then the UK just leaves. Isn't this what they called the cliff edge?
May did say at one point the UK would pay what it owes, but the implication wasn't clear as to whether it would be part of a formal withdrawal agreement, or something we might offer the EU to encourage them to begin new trade talks further down the line, after we have formally left.
I still believe Brexit will now be cancelled, its just a question of whether May can blame Corbyn, or the other way around?
Cant read the whole thing unfortunately.
I cant see MPs forcing that instead of an extension tbh. Time will tell!
Yes if there is no deal . The Uk needs the withdrawal agreement to negotiate something afterwards. No withdrawal agreement means cliff edge.
Unfortunately people were led to believe that there would be an actual deal at the end of the 2 year period after A50 was triggered.
The withdrawal agreement is just a step to the next stage.
If the Uk fails to pay what it owes it will look very poor on the international stage.
If the UK just leave then they wouldn't pay the full amount because that includes the transition period up to the end of 2020.
At this moment I'm still at 90% No Deal - 10% cancel Brexit.
Maybe this coming week will change things.
Farrage coming back to lead the "brexit party"
The state of UK politics
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/nigel-farage-backs-brexit-party-102500649.html
The state of UK politics
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/nigel-farage-backs-brexit-party-102500649.html
This shit feels like purgatory.
That would split the gammon vote nicely.
This Sky News thing is terrible.
Why does nobody take idiots to task when they bleat on about respecting democracy? Given the amount of people who have died, changed their minds etc this vote is no more valid than the 1975 referendum.
Why does nobody take idiots to task when they bleat on about respecting democracy? Given the amount of people who have died, changed their minds etc this vote is no more valid than the 1975 referendum.
With what is in the news today about changing the good Friday agreement I think May has totally lost the plot. No plan B.
They're denying it but I fully expect a leak confirming it.
A true "woah, back through feck up there!!" moment.
Just watching Sky News.
Some columnist from the Telegraph, Juliet Samuel, no idea who she is but she said : "I voted Remain but I'd prefer No Deal to No Brexit" .
What?!
Some columnist from the Telegraph, Juliet Samuel, no idea who she is but she said : "I voted Remain but I'd prefer No Deal to No Brexit" .
What?!
Wouldn't there have to be another referendum to make any significant changes to the GFA?
Yes
Thought so, if they even considered trying that then they're even more clueless and desperate than i thought.
Ireland would also need to agree, it's a no-go.
Massive no-go. They can get fecked.
This weeks going to be absolute chaos in parliament.
May will presumably just reoffer her deal and stick to her rhetoric. Parliament hopefully succeeds in taking back control and then she'll just be a passenger (albeit one with her head out of the window screaming at passerbys)
May will presumably just reoffer her deal and stick to her rhetoric. Parliament hopefully succeeds in taking back control and then she'll just be a passenger (albeit one with her head out of the window screaming at passerbys)
She's attempting to simply run the clock down. She's a devious and malevolent cnut more interested in self preservation and that of her odious party than the best interests of the nation.
May is utterly awful, Tory MPs must now be cursing the day the appointed her in 2016. You'd think her deranged behaviour makes it more likely Parliament will be able to take control of the process. Guess she could resign ultimately, she doesn't seem the type though. Will probably have to be removed from number 10 kicking and screaming.
They need to put the door in and fecking taser her.
Imagine Boris got appointed instead..
At least the country would’ve already been set on fire rather than this horrible, slow march towards disaster that we’re currently on.
Fair play. Parliament's best plan would be to lock both May and Corbyn in a cupboard somewhere in the HoC.
May will go to here grave muttering "Brexit means Brexit, the will of the people".
There is stubbornness and there is idiocy.
There is stubbornness and there is idiocy.
I dont think she will accept that... I think if parliament takes control she paints it as remain MP's against the will of the people and calls a general election (which she will fight on basically that point alone)
I think Corbyn and the official labour position probably has to vote for the GE as well given how long hes called for it
I just feel she would rather go out kicking and screaming (though hoping to secure a workable majority) than have parliament take control
The worrying thing is that the 'no deal' option is now gathering support at a rapid rate. The shit show is getting even worse.
And eject the cupboard into space.
I've noticed that as well. Most of the polls I've seen seem to back No Deal over a second referendum which is ridiculous.
Because people think 'No Deal' means nothing changes, like walking away from buying a car. Only this is more like jumping out of a plane without buying a parachute.