It much more than Ireland. They are heavily invested in emerging markets so they stand to make an absolute fortune if we leave the EU and deregulate allowing for goods from other countries with lower standards to flood our markets.
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It much more than Ireland. They are heavily invested in emerging markets so they stand to make an absolute fortune if we leave the EU and deregulate allowing for goods from other countries with lower standards to flood our markets.
No more than if it goes ahead. People are capable of losing their shit on both sides...
During the Brexit campaign, women at the hairdressers I go to were talking about not wanting Turkey in the EU, therefore they'd vote leave. They were not the sort of ladies who would normally be discussing European politics, if you know what I mean. They heard that line somewhere.
Its similar to what happened in Italy after fascism fell. Suddenly everyone was a partiggiano or son of one from day 1. That doesn't stop them from voting salvini
This is the man running a newspaper that faked pictures of british soldiers torturing captives. He is a snake.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uk...ditor-sacked-over-fake-photos-of-torture.html
When I was a teenager we had the polish plumber, it was our boogeyman. @Paul the Wolf were you following french politics 15 years ago? It wasn't a lot different to what the UK are currently experiencing.
Before that it was the Irish bogeyman in the UK.
Not really, sort of getting slightly interested before we moved in 2007 hoping that Sarkozy might be good for France
.Wasn't really interested in British politics either other than I couldn't stand Blair.
Not really, sort of getting slightly interested before we moved in 2007 hoping that Sarkozy might be good for France
Wasn't really interested in British politics either other than I couldn't stand Blair.
It really reminds me brexit, obscure politicians targeting foreigners, making up issues that don't exist and assuring that France can negotiate a better deal. The only difference is that the parliament ultimately told them to do one. Also at the time the only reason we got into that position was because Chirac was disliked and the opposition used the EU as a tool against him, it was never about the EU but only a french issue.
There’s a clip on social media of JRM telling channel 4 news and the brexiters are lapping it up. This man goes from channel to channel sprouting shite.
I still don't see what he stands to gain about lying how he voted on Brexit. I don't buy the idea that he gets some credibility from it. He's an arse who just wouldn't care about people knowing that he voted Brexit if he did.
Nothing ever changes apart from the targets. As @GloryHunter07 said when I was young it was the Irish and also the Commonwealth immigrants were the targets. If the European immigrants left it'll probably revert back to them.
I don't have an opinion on how he voted for but it's very common for people to claim that they voted a certain way or have a certain type of friends just before making a stupid statement. It gives them the idea that they are less vulnerable to criticism.
He takes up positions to encourage people to come at him though. Its his whole act.
What I found hilarious was on QT when the Brexiters were all cheering at the prospect of No deal. Then the Brexiter said the usual crap about German cars and Merkel would be on the phone begging for a deal.
But if you want No Deal why would he want Merkel to beg for a Deal and they all cheered again.
Brexiters biggest problem : They don't think things through.
But if you want No Deal why would he want Merkel to beg for a Deal and they all cheered again.
Brexiters biggest problem : They don't think things through.
Yes but he wants to be seen as provocative not as an actual moron or a racist or things like that. He positions himself as a devil's advocate.
He's a step beyond a devil's advocate. He pontificates and is totally obnoxious.
You are weakening his case here and justifying why people think that he is lying about voting remain.
Voters less likely to back Labour with stop Brexit policy,leaked poll suggest
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...t-policy-poll-suggests?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...t-policy-poll-suggests?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
I mean luckily Corbyn is all about empowering the membership and not driven by polls... A new kind of politcs etc
Did you read it? 11% of Labour voters said it would make them 'less likely' to vote Labour, but 9% of Conservative voters would switch to Labour, and also 40% of Liberal and Green voters said they would be more likely to vote Labour.
I think Labour policies should be about doing the right thing, not worrying, and misinterpreting, opinion polls.
The 40% of Liberals & Greens(Which seems very low compared to how much their leaders bang on about a second vote)would'nt help Labour get into power and certainly is'nt worth a huge change in policy.
Totally agree. So I'm sure you will join me in saying that Labour should suport the the destruction of the capitalist class and giving all power to the workers, I mean it is the right to do.
Devil's in the details with that kind of thing, hard to tell anything without looking at the crosstabs and whatnot, and even then it'll be sketchy to draw many firm conclusions.
But it looks like the question put in the poll was also an extreme "stop Brexit" line rather than the "let's have a referendum to see what the public think now" most are calling for. Which is the fault of the pro-EU group that commissioned it of course, but still kinda funny to see Owen Jones types present this as evidence of their thesis that Labour would be fecked electorally by switching policy.
Not really but it’s an unimportant thing to be debating.
Its not optimism, its a belief in the disgraced political class in the is country, saving their own skins. The Will of the people (right or wrong) has never held sway in this country, partly because its never been properly tested, but also because we have no written constitution, we are first of all subjects of the Queen, secondly citizens of the UK! It's HM's Government, its HM's request on our passports that ensure we travel freely, etc. One of the reasons we 'don't fit in' with the other EU countries is the fundamental difference in definitions of a Constitution.
Of course I could be wrong and HM Government runs down the clock on the No Deal, but then the politicians would have to earn their corn, which is inconceivable at this juncture!
Labour, policy and Brexit are three words you will never find in the same sentence unfortunately.As for the destruction of the capitalist class, yes, that's why Corbyn and McDonnell are Brexiters, are you saying you're a Brexiter too? I don't mind at all, I'd just like to see a bit more honesty about it all.
Yeah, and I'll admit I don't have the time or knowledge to fully analyse it, but there's enough to make it pretty clear the actual poll doesn't match Sweet's headline.
See usually I'd understand Labour voters/supporters defending the party doing the more politically motivated thing ahead of what's right because that's generally how politics works, and parties who don't take that approach are liable to get fecked over. But it's again remarkable that after two years of Corbyn supporters actively ignoring polls which had him trailing because they liked his policies, they're now constantly citing polls and treating them as gospel whenever they suggest Corbyn's current EU stance is more beneficial for himself even if not for the country. Even though until recently their support of him was entirely based on reversing that approach by trying to improve his popularity instead of settling for someone they didn't like. As I've said plenty of times, if their argument is against being more pro-EU is that "this is unpopular," then New Labour's arguments that they couldn't oppose austerity too strongly or that they had to appear tough on immigration can be excused in the same way. Even though Corbyn supporters weren't ever willing to excuse that sort of approach.
Nah I'm not really, I would mostly likely vote remain in another refendum but I just meh on the whole thing.
Firstly no one ignored the polls, in fact most where completely shitting it at the thought they had just destroyed the one actual left alternative. Secondly one of the reasons why people stuck with Corbyn was because the policy's such as train nationalstation, taking privatisation out the Nhs etc were popular amoung the population, hence why labour did so well at the last election. And finally comparing a standard election lose and a result one the biggest refendum in British history is well slightly bizarre.
You weren't necessarily ignoring them but you were perfectly willing to argue in Corbyn's favour all the same in spite of the fact that polling indicated he wasn't good enough. You actually had a point here though - by getting him into a position in 2017 where he was actually able to argue his points effectively, he improved and managed to dent the Tories majority. Not a win, and so not exactly brilliant, but an improvement all the same.
The same principle should surely apply to the parties approach to the EU though. The referendum itself was massive but it was won by a narrow margin, fueled by disinformation, ignored the contentious Irish border issue which literally has the potential to threaten lives if it goes sour, and didn't give the Tories anything near the mandate to push for the hard Brexit they've been advocating for since 2016. Up until recently Labour were supportive of that approach out of the sentiment that they couldn't go against it because of polling. Even though Corbyn's initial approach was quite literally to advocate for what was best instead of following the numbers.
Now the party seems to be mildly supportive of staying in the customs union and will go for that approach but it's still fairly muddled in that they'll make vague feints to the idea of a People's Vote even though they don't seem keen on backing one. And whenever the parties position is criticised in regards to the EU polling numbers are often the first thing pulled out. As is regularly evidenced in this thread, where the Lib Dems are regularly ridiculed for their shit polling numbers (that being a reason not to vote for them) even though for the majority of Corbyn's reign he's had...shit polling numbers!
There's surely got to be some consistency in there somewhere. The party are happy to follow the polling when it suits them but will happily advocate for other positions they like when it doesn't. And if your argument for supporting Brexit is due to it being one of the biggest referendums in electoral history, then argue on that point. Don't then pretend it's about polling.
Corbyn really is getting to the point where he's going to have to do something
Failing to secure the ge (as expected)... Looking a bit childish with his preconditions for talks and trying to stop labour MP's engaging in them
Starmer pushing for labour to back a second referendum
https://news.sky.com/story/starmer-shifts-labour-towards-second-eu-referendum-11611558
Even pob outperforming him
I think Corbyn needs his own plan b ready to present tomorrow
Failing to secure the ge (as expected)... Looking a bit childish with his preconditions for talks and trying to stop labour MP's engaging in them
Starmer pushing for labour to back a second referendum
https://news.sky.com/story/starmer-shifts-labour-towards-second-eu-referendum-11611558
Even pob outperforming him
I think Corbyn needs his own plan b ready to present tomorrow
It will affect people on both sides. And your beloved Portimonense.
Our home record thus far against top 4 this season is pretty impressive. Beat Sporting and Benfica and drew with Braga. Just Porto left.
"We are Algarve, we are Portimao, we are Portimonense!!!"
I was really expecting the mythical song from Portimonense.
Our home record thus far against top 4 this season is pretty impressive. Beat Sporting and Benfica and drew with Braga. Just Porto left.
"We are Algarve, we are Portimao, we are Portimonense!!!"
Yes Folha is doing a good job, their brazilian owners have good connections no problem for them to stay.
Regarding the rest I noticed my fellow posters already told you more or less what to do. There is always a Embassy to help. Still will be a problem for both sides, even our Government is already spinning it won't be all great for us as expected.
I was really expecting the mythical song from Portimonense.
Yes Folha is doing a good job, their brazilian owners have good connections no problem for them to stay.
Regarding the rest I noticed my fellow posters already told you more or less what to do. There is always a Embassy to help. Still will be a problem for both sides, even our Government is already spinning it won't be all great for us as expected.
I know, it's the uncertainty of it all even at this late stage that's so frustrating.
I'm back over in a couple of weeks and will probably waste a day at the local council office registering my citizenship which I don't think I'll be eligible for.
My team play Sale the day after Brexit
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46917999
No trade deal has yet been signed
I wonder what these guys had been doing throughout the past 2 years
No trade deal has yet been signed
I wonder what these guys had been doing throughout the past 2 years
He's openly questioning whether other governments believe his government's bluff. I'm no expert at poker, but...Liam Fox said:
Out of all the stupid Tories I think Fox might take the cake. The time he was caught out lying when he was saying something contradictory to a tweet literally being displayed behind him was probably his peak although he'll no doubt manage to top it at some point.