I don't think they can actually legally sign trade deal at the moment can they? You know with us being in the EU / customs arrangement?
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When A50 was delivered the EU said the UK couldn't even negotiate a new trade deal, let alone sign one. Sounded bollocks to me at the time, but given the levels of incompetence in handling the whole thing it probably doesn't matter anyway.
True. However I think that doesn't apply to deals signed to replicate the existent arrangements with third countries
You can't replicate the existing terms because the trade deals the EU have with these other countries give them access to all EU countries, a UK trade deal only gives them access to the UK.
Why should countries negotiate or sign when the UK could still be an EU country on 30th March. Nonsensical Fox drivel.
At least there seems to now be at least a chance of a second referendum although it would need us to request, and the EU to agree to, an exit delay.
My fear is that the Tories and Labor might not want to appear as if they pushed for a second referendum. Fiddling while Rome burns apparently being more palatable to them.
My fear is that the Tories and Labor might not want to appear as if they pushed for a second referendum. Fiddling while Rome burns apparently being more palatable to them.
People don’t want to be governed by people in another country. I think that’s a very decent reason
And I voted remain!!
May out with her standard lines again today, god she is just a robot, we must deliver brexit blah blah blah
I think Corbyn has played a blinder.
He knows May's strategy is now to run down the clock playing chicken with no deal in the hope of getting the backstop removed. So she can't agree to take no deal off the table.
I think the EU will come and say they won't be changing it under any circumstances and mean it.
Corbyn can still table more no confidence motions. May has such a small majority, ultimately Tory remainers like Boles and Grieve will peel off and government will lose. Most Tory MPs do not want no deal.
Likely Brexit will be cancelled and Corbyn will win a crushing victory in the resulting GE.
He knows May's strategy is now to run down the clock playing chicken with no deal in the hope of getting the backstop removed. So she can't agree to take no deal off the table.
I think the EU will come and say they won't be changing it under any circumstances and mean it.
Corbyn can still table more no confidence motions. May has such a small majority, ultimately Tory remainers like Boles and Grieve will peel off and government will lose. Most Tory MPs do not want no deal.
Likely Brexit will be cancelled and Corbyn will win a crushing victory in the resulting GE.
and then what? Brexit will disappear? How’s he going to sort the issue out without backing 2nd ref?
These same people also want to continue governing people in other countries (Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland). Explain that one to me.
Very easy to say Brexit negotiations failed because of Theresa May agreeing a deal that was totally unacceptable to leavers and remainers, leaving us with the only choice of withdrawing article 50 or facing no deal economic destruction.
That is also the truth.
Obviously the EU question would have to be revisited in the future, I would say no politician would touch it for at least 10 years though except Farage after this shambles. There will probably be a new conservative party founded by Farage, not easy to get off the ground quickly though. Also does he really have the energy to do it all over again?
I believe the vast majority of the UK population will understand that the withdrawal agreement and no deal are both terrible options. Parliament could not choose either, and that even if we're remaining for now it isn't over forever.
You don't have to keep saying this.
At the moment UK parliament is deciding whether it's staying in the EU, going into transition, shooting itself in the foot. It's a sovereign decision, you know the sovereignty Brexiters so desperately want but of course don't want if it doesn't go their way. Just like the judges being the"Enemies of the People".
Nobody in the EU is deciding the UK's fate.
I can’t because we have an island full of idiots who can’t think. I wasn’t around when the kingdom was formed but I was more than happy to see the Scottish referendum.
The EU has been saying the same thing since the beginning but no-one in the UK is listening including Corbyn who still thinks, two and half years later,can have his cake and eat it. Corbyn has alienated himself not only from the Tories but the other parties as well so playing a blinder I would say is the opposite of what he has done. Even JRM said he will continue to back the government, anything to keep Corbyn out of power.
I know that Paul. I didn’t say otherwise.
Corbyn is just parroting a compromise on Brexit as he is fully aware he'll never get to implement it anyway. No doubt he is a leaver along similar lines to JRM / ERG position on the EU but will never admit it.
It's not the ERG or JRM May needs to be worried about. They are very happy for her to play chicken with no deal. That is what they want anyway.
It's the remainers in the conservative party, Boles and Grieve are the most notable, 22 of them signed that letter to rule out no deal and there are a lot more. I am certain they and others would abstain in a confidence vote if the other option was a no deal Brexit.
Preferring to stop no deal, withdraw article 50 and fight an election.
The Tories are pushing the self destruct button keeping May and Corbyn just needs to wait.
The only way to stop No deal if parliament can't come up with an acceptable alternative to the EU, is to cancel Brexit. Who is going to cancel Brexit? May doesn't want to and Corbyn, who clearly is a Brexiter, doesn't want to either.
Don't see how Corbyn could ever win enough votes/seats to be PM and if he wants to leave the EU he's blown that as well.
That's a very simplistic argument that seems to just group all polling on all issues together. You can't compare polling on individuals with polling on policy and you certainly can't compare the situation of polling on untested policies with mandated ones. The GE happened and a manifesto was approved.
The point seems to keep getting missed Corbyns approach was to stand on a new platform that took Labour away from the centre and empowered the membership to input on policy. That happened including approving Labours current approach to Brexit and they haven't yet deviated from it (yet).
Perhaps Corbyn should throw caution to the wind ignore conference, the GE mandate his MPs won seats on and go with a ref despite not knowing it'll pass but that would be the inconsistency not what you're suggesting.
Well if it gets the votes Parliament will soon put it into legal force. Whether May can refuse to act on it is an interesting debate but i think she'll do it but blame it on parlaiment and by parlaiment i mean Labour.
It's all fascinating but whatever happens in parliament they , all of them I mean, seem to be alienating the electorate.
Looks like Corbyn is going to face pressure to pick a side
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...19/jan/20/corbyn-to-back-no-deal-brexit-block
Norway or 2nd ref
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...19/jan/20/corbyn-to-back-no-deal-brexit-block
Norway or 2nd ref
It's a false choice, Norway or 2nd vote and not one they need to make. Labour are not in government so they don't need a credible policy position on Brexit. Just to decide how to vote on whatever the government puts up.
Backing the no deal motion makes sense as it hems May in more.
The EU27 will refuse to extend article 50 of course, it's not a unilateral decision we can take. So if this motion passes we would have to withdraw article 50 it if no deal is the other option.
I remember a while before the Brexit issue came out he was on the radio quite a few times, can’t remember what about, but was being touted as the bright “new” future of the Conservative Party.
Then came his “I’m afraid so” comment when asked about abortion in the case of rape and then along came Brexit.
How an EFTA type of agreement fixes the border issue? And it's also not a withdrawal agreement, the backstop issue would still exists in the short to mid term.
This is what's driving me nuts.
Canada and Norway are no solutions and other than cancelling Brexit there still has to be a withdrawal agreement whatever else is decided and the only one possible has been soundly rejected. Almost no-one in the UK seems to realise this.
Starmer's acknowledged as much today.
But he's still chasing unicorns
"such as a commitment to a full, permanent customs union and a high alignment with the EU’s single market."
Sorry but why would Brexit be cancelled, and by whom?
Norway with customs union does solve the border issue, no?
The headline on the BBC is Liam Fox using the sentence "A leave population versus a remain parliament".
Like as if leave is any way a serious majority in the country. Recent polls suggest the opposite. How does this drivel not getting pulled up?
Like as if leave is any way a serious majority in the country. Recent polls suggest the opposite. How does this drivel not getting pulled up?
Democracy:
Vote for something then let the policiticians complete the job.
Well... the politicians have completed the job. The result is a Brexit that doesn't work. The next step in the Democratic process should be to ask the people how to proceed.
If we take to the Leavers' arguments about Democracy to its logical conclusion, a second Referendum is the most acceptable recourse.
Vote for something then let the policiticians complete the job.
Well... the politicians have completed the job. The result is a Brexit that doesn't work. The next step in the Democratic process should be to ask the people how to proceed.
If we take to the Leavers' arguments about Democracy to its logical conclusion, a second Referendum is the most acceptable recourse.
That deal is named EU.
It's the EU without a say or a vote, still needs a withdrawal agreement as well. Why would anyone want this other than to technically say the UK left the EU.
Edit: and EFTA agreement to allow UK to join them.
My understanding is that it won't happen, EFTA members don't want to lose their autonomy and there is an issue with the current trade deals that they have, these trade deals are meant for small countries, the addition of the UK would most likely require their renegotiation.
That's my understanding as well.
Monday should be interesting in parliament , with all the factions trying to agree more impossibilities.
Well yeah thats the point.
I know Brexiters are not the sharpest tools in the box but even they might see through that one. And remainers surely would prefer staying in the EU.