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It’s a sad indictment of the thread that people feel the need to qualify any statement that’s slightly against the grain with “I voted remain”

I find it a lot more indicative of leavers behavior prior to, at the, and after the referendum. Preface lies with lies.

Edit: And yeah, i'm just going to say it. If you lie to me for three years straight, at some point you're going to be labelled a liar (royal you, not you @Steven Seagull ), and everything that comes out of your mouth (Boris, Jakob, Nigel) will be laughed at.
 
It’s a sad indictment of the thread that people feel the need to qualify any statement that’s slightly against the grain with “I voted remain”

People can post what they want but they need to back it up. I welcome arguments from Leavers as to why Brexit is a good thing. After 2.5 years, I have still yet to hear one.
 
No it isn't, an indictment of people who don't have arguments to defend their opinions and pretend they're playing devil's advocate instead.

Yup, though I tend to conclude that they voted leave.
 
Liam Fox, the international trade secretary, has said that other countries are to blame for the fact that the UK does not have alternative trade deals ready by 29 March to replace the existing 40 EU ones that will lapse if the UK leaves without a deal. Asked about this revelation in today’s Financial Times (see 10.57am), he said:

[The agreements are] not just dependent on the UK. Our side is ready. It is largely dependent on whether other countries believe that there will be no deal, and are willing to put the work into the preparations.

Britain has failed to finalise most trade deals needed to replace the EU’s 40 existing agreements with leading global economies and will not be close to doing so when Brexit occurs on March 29, according to an internal Whitehall memorandum.

The memo, compiled by civil servants as part of contingency planning for the UK crashing out of the EU without a formal Brussels divorce agreement, warned that most of the deals would lapse without a transition period that keeps Britain under the EU umbrella once Brexit occurs.

“Almost none of them are ready to go now and none will be ready to go by March,” said one government official who has seen the internal analysis of the Department of International Trade’s progress.



Being the only member of the Department of International Trade probably doesn't help old Foxy realise that you need to have an agreement with the other country in order to have trade deals. Takes more than one person to tango.

Brexit the tragi-comedy.
 
People can post what they want but they need to back it up. I welcome arguments from Leavers as to why Brexit is a good thing. After 2.5 years, I have still yet to hear one.

Brexit could be good thing if you are a manufacturer that intends to exports low to mid quality range goods, a deregulation of most markets will benefit you. It's also good if you want to turn the UK into a tax heaven. For normal people there are no benefits that are directly linked to the EU, most of the genuine issues that people currently have in the UK concerns local and national policies and adequate allocation/redistribution of resources and wealth.
 
Brexit could be good thing if you are a manufacturer that intends to exports low to mid quality range goods, a deregulation of most markets will benefit you.

To who exactly? There's no way we could compete with China/India in terms of production costs (energy, land and wages) or sourcing raw materials competitively. Then, in terms of logistics, the only trade partners we could have an advantage over China/India with is the EU. If we intend to export into the EU, we're going to have to abide by their regulations anyway.
 
Anyone think there will be serious unrest from hardcore leavers if Brexit gets canned?

There maybe some skirmishes here and there, from the right wing under the guise of Brexit, but it will soon die away. Its the reaction of the bulk of tory leave voters and the 40 odd percent of traditional labour leave voters that will be key. These groups are unlikely to take to the streets, but will, once they have found their new strength in opposition to the EU, organise themselves in voting blocks to effect normal elections and will try to fight tooth and nail against any perceived new EU rules which they feel are being forced on them. One target would be to force situations where HM Government gets in to difficulty in implementing EU laws and ultimately is hauled up before ECJ. How disrupting this will be is hard to assess, initially for maybe a year or more it will be more or less guerrilla warfare in British politics, but eventually it will fade away as long as the EU itself reforms and demonstrates to the despondent leavers that all they are doing now is cutting their noses off to spite their face. There will also have to be a big upsurge in EU assistance for improving Youth Employment across the EU, otherwise the Youth who wanted to remain, will start to think maybe their grandparents were right after all.

Brexit in my opinion will not happen, article 50 will not be delayed but cancelled, then everyone except our current crop of disgraced leading politicians will have a second chance, including those in the EU, to make things right. Lets hope that having come so close to the perfect storm, that the lights in Europe will go on again and everybody get a fair share.
 
Brexit could be good thing if you are a manufacturer that intends to exports low to mid quality range goods, a deregulation of most markets will benefit you. It's also good if you want to turn the UK into a tax heaven. For normal people there are no benefits that are directly linked to the EU, most of the genuine issues that people currently have in the UK concerns local and national policies and adequate allocation/redistribution of resources and wealth.

We could never compete on price no matter how big the bonfire of regulations. And, in any case, that does not benefit the average person. As for a tax haven, that won’t work with 65m people. It would benefit a few at the cost of a breakdown of society. I fully agree that “Europe” is really a sublimated expression of anger at how dysfunctional modern Britain has become.
 
To who exactly? There's no way we could compete with China/India in terms of production costs (energy, land and wages) or sourcing raw materials competitively. Then, in terms of logistics, the only trade partners we could have an advantage over China/India with is the EU. If we intend to export into the EU, we're going to have to abide by their regulations anyway.

To anyone. An example is pallets, France is one of the main producers everyone needs them and the UK could be a big competitor if they put the correct regulations. You have used the term "we", but bear in mind that I'm alluding to few companies and individuals not the UK as a whole which I forgot to add when I edited my post.
 
To anyone. An example is pallets, France is one of the main producers everyone needs them and the UK could be a big competitor if they put the correct regulations. You have used the term "we", but bear in mind that I'm alluding to few companies and individuals not the UK as a whole which I forgot to add when I edited my post.

Ok taking the pallets example, who do you see the UK undercutting France and exporting to?
 
Brexit could be good thing if you are a manufacturer that intends to exports low to mid quality range goods, a deregulation of most markets will benefit you.

The opposite would happen, if the UK deregulated they would become the dumping ground of the world. Not only could the UK manufacturers not compete with the cheap goods being imported, the Brexiters don't realise that other countries outside the EU also have standards which UK goods have to meet. They actually lose out all round.
 
The only difference between Remain and Norway plus the Customs Union is that the UK have no say or votes in the EU parliament - perfect for the EU.
The important difference is political, namely that there are probably the votes for it to pass through parliament and wouldn't require another referendum to implement. Brexiters wouldn't be overly happy and remainers (me included) would complain that we might as well stay in and preserve the influence, but it still seems to me the path of least resistance.
 
The important difference is political, namely that there are probably the votes for it to pass through parliament and wouldn't require another referendum to implement. Brexiters wouldn't be overly happy and remainers (me included) would complain that we might as well stay in and preserve the influence, but it still seems to me the path of least resistance.

I understand completely where you're coming from. The question is would parliament actually be able to pass it. The result of the referendum would be upheld but there'll still be a lot of unhappy people.
Both sides of the house would have to stop playing party politics.

Edit: That would be assuming the UK are allowed into EFTA
 
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Ok taking the pallets example, who do you see the UK undercutting France and exporting to?

Anyone really, it's a market where the biggest actors are mainly from developed countries Japan, Netherlands, Australia, US, Germany, China, France, to name a few. These countries are hubs, a lot of goods starts, ends or transit through them so logically, the logistics equipment is produced there. Now, my point is that NL, France and Germany aren't cheap countries themselves and since the UK is also a hub a british company could conceivably benefit in that type of market.
Now, I admit that I should have made it clear that I wasn't talking about the UK as a whole but niche markets.
 
Anyone really, it's a market where the biggest actors are mainly from developed countries Japan, Netherlands, Australia, US, Germany, China, France, to name a few. These countries are hubs, a lot of goods starts, ends or transit through them so logically, the logistics equipment is produced there. Now, my point is that NL, France and Germany aren't cheap countries themselves and since the UK is also a hub a british company could conceivably benefit in that type of market.
Now, I admit that I should have made it clear that I wasn't talking about the UK as a whole but niche markets.

Here's a few

https://www.lesprom.com/en/members/activity/Pallet_manufacturers/
 
Why would he lie though? Its not like he likes to project a positive image of himself, rather his whole schtick is being the guy everyone loves to hate.

He's a Londoner too and in show business so its easy to see why he'd be a remainer..

I dislike him thoroughly but I do get his point so I believe he probably did vote remain. Whether a bad or good decision, that was the result of a democratic vote and a few other 'remainers' I know say they would now vote leave, not because they have changed their minds, but because they respect the decision.

I personally think they're idiots if they do that but I understand where they're coming from.
 
I found the whole thing about Australian beef hilarious. Let’s buy beef, do no quality checks on it if any sort because JRM thinks that you can take the word of the seller rather than your own trading standard checks. What planet is this guy on?
I dislike him thoroughly but I do get his point so I believe he probably did vote remain. Whether a bad or good decision, that was the result of a democratic vote and a few other 'remainers' I know say they would now vote leave, not because they have changed their minds, but because they respect the decision.

I personally think they're idiots if they do that but I understand where they're coming from.

And probably full of shit as well.
 
I dislike him thoroughly but I do get his point so I believe he probably did vote remain. Whether a bad or good decision, that was the result of a democratic vote and a few other 'remainers' I know say they would now vote leave, not because they have changed their minds, but because they respect the decision.

I personally think they're idiots if they do that but I understand where they're coming from.

I don't understand how you understand them. The logical and honest action is to vote for what you believe in and accept the results, voting leave when you believe in remain alters the actual results and it serves absolutely no one.
 


Those that don't like O'Brien on LBC - here's another JRM interview on the BBC by a much softer interviewer and JRM still spoke absolute gibberish and lies.


Where did this guy come from, am i right in thinking no one had heard of him before Brexit?
 
There maybe some skirmishes here and there, from the right wing under the guise of Brexit, but it will soon die away. Its the reaction of the bulk of tory leave voters and the 40 odd percent of traditional labour leave voters that will be key. These groups are unlikely to take to the streets, but will, once they have found their new strength in opposition to the EU, organise themselves in voting blocks to effect normal elections and will try to fight tooth and nail against any perceived new EU rules which they feel are being forced on them. One target would be to force situations where HM Government gets in to difficulty in implementing EU laws and ultimately is hauled up before ECJ. How disrupting this will be is hard to assess, initially for maybe a year or more it will be more or less guerrilla warfare in British politics, but eventually it will fade away as long as the EU itself reforms and demonstrates to the despondent leavers that all they are doing now is cutting their noses off to spite their face. There will also have to be a big upsurge in EU assistance for improving Youth Employment across the EU, otherwise the Youth who wanted to remain, will start to think maybe their grandparents were right after all.

Brexit in my opinion will not happen, article 50 will not be delayed but cancelled, then everyone except our current crop of disgraced leading politicians will have a second chance, including those in the EU, to make things right. Lets hope that having come so close to the perfect storm, that the lights in Europe will go on again and everybody get a fair share.

I like your optimism and I hope you are right.
 
I hadn't but maybe those living in the UK and closely following politics may have.

I'm in the UK not a very close follower of Politics in England but i'd never heard of him. Crazy that he's on the TV and radio almost daily spouting a load of nonsense. I seen recently he quotes the Sun as a source of factual information. Says it all really.
 
Where did this guy come from, am i right in thinking no one had heard of him before Brexit?
I first heard of him when Stephen Fry mentioned him years ago in an interview or on a panel show. He told a story about him unsuccesfully canvassing for election some time back and being bewildered that everyone was laughing at him because he had his nanny accompanying him.
He's a walking joke, Mary Poppins arch enemy, C3PO if he was on the Empire's side and now somehow taken seriously.
 
I first heard of him when Stephen Fry mentioned him years ago in an interview or on a panel show. He told a story about him unsuccesfully canvassing for election some time back and being bewildered that everyone was laughing at him because he had his nanny accompanying him.
He's a walking joke, Mary Poppins arch enemy, C3PO if he was on the Empire's side and now somehow taken seriously.

:lol:

He's a real hero to the brexiters it seems. He spouts a load of nonsense so i guess that makes sense.
 
:lol:

He's a real hero to the brexiters it seems. He spouts a load of nonsense so i guess that makes sense.

Because he says what they want to hear, that's all that matters. Anyone who knows about international trade knows he is talking total nonsense, not necessary because he is lying but that he genuinely doesn't know what he's talking about.
 
Where did this guy come from, am i right in thinking no one had heard of him before Brexit?
He owns a finance company and had been advising his clients to invest in Ireland. Stands to make a lot of money out of brexit apparently. Probably why he’s crawled out from under his rock. I don’t believe he’s got anyone but his own interests at heart
 
He owns a finance company and had been advising his clients to invest in Ireland. Stands to make a lot of money out of brexit apparently. Probably why he’s crawled out from under his rock. I don’t believe he’s got anyone but his own interests at heart

Yeah its odd, surely most regular people with a bit common sense must realize that if a character like Mogg is desperate for a no deal Brexit. Then it can't be a good thing for the average working man or woman.

Because he says what they want to hear, that's all that matters. Anyone who knows about international trade knows he is talking total nonsense, not necessary because he is lying but that he genuinely doesn't know what he's talking about.

Sadly thats it.
 
I found the whole thing about Australian beef hilarious. Let’s buy beef, do no quality checks on it if any sort because JRM thinks that you can take the word of the seller rather than your own trading standard checks. What planet is this guy on?

O'Brien didn't even touch on the stupidity of him suggesting replacing a country you border with one 15,000km away as the source of beef imports.
 
Do you know how this would affect someone like myself?

I have a property in Portugal, Portuguese bank account, fiscal no etc but no citizenship as the property isn't worth over 500,000 euros.

If this god forbid does happen, do I pay the same tourist visa charge or are there concessions/exclusions for a property owner.
It will affect people on both sides. And your beloved Portimonense. ;)