These must be the lies he was talking about in the Remain campaign, he forgot to mention they were his own.
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These must be the lies he was talking about in the Remain campaign, he forgot to mention they were his own.
Its been obvious for a long time hasn't it that its not going to work.
The UK has been stuffed since 2016 when May became Prime Minister. The second she was appointed Brexit as per the 2016 referendum was dead.
I'm actually quite enjoying all the squirming around UK politicians are doing now trying to avoid the inevitable.
Once all the half way house options which are worse than just remaining, and would be rejected by the EU anyway are ruled out. It will come down to no brexit or leaving on WTO. Fairly certain which one Parliament will go for as mentioned earlier in the thread.
I'm actually quite enjoying all the squirming around UK politicians are doing now trying to avoid the inevitable.
Once all the half way house options which are worse than just remaining, and would be rejected by the EU anyway are ruled out. It will come down to no brexit or leaving on WTO. Fairly certain which one Parliament will go for as mentioned earlier in the thread.
Find out which deal is right for you:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...8/find-out-which-brexit-deal-is-right-for-you
Remain or Norway, unsurprisingly.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...8/find-out-which-brexit-deal-is-right-for-you
Remain or Norway, unsurprisingly.
Its been obvious for a long time hasn't it that its not going to work.
Yep, since before the referendum even. Or at least it should have been.
Yet it was ignored. Partly due to ignorance. Partly due to attention being wrongly and disproportionately focused on other issues rather than the one that has now proven to be the greatest stumbling block. Partly because the rise in anti-intellectualism, "fake news" narrative and a strange belief that both sides of an argument must in some way be equal meant that actual, discernible facts were dismissed without research by people who assumed they were as likely to be lies as the real lies told by the other side of the debate. Finally, partly because some people benefited from ignoring the fact that this would be a problem.
Remain
Staying in the EU means accepting the continued jurisdiction of the European court of justice, free movement, and tying Britain's trade policy to Europe's. It obviates the need for a hard border in Ireland.
Norway plus
Moving to a relationship with the EU like Norway's – even if not under the EEA – means accepting freedom of movement, and mostly forgoing independent trade and regulatory freedom for the UK. Assuming the deal includes a customs union (the 'plus'), it should solve problems with the Irish border.
Staying in the EU means accepting the continued jurisdiction of the European court of justice, free movement, and tying Britain's trade policy to Europe's. It obviates the need for a hard border in Ireland.
Norway plus
Moving to a relationship with the EU like Norway's – even if not under the EEA – means accepting freedom of movement, and mostly forgoing independent trade and regulatory freedom for the UK. Assuming the deal includes a customs union (the 'plus'), it should solve problems with the Irish border.
The only difference between Remain and Norway plus the Customs Union is that the UK have no say or votes in the EU parliament - perfect for the EU.
There were a few that I didn't have a strong view either way on, but I would not be interested in any half arsed option. All in for me.
HA!!
Do you mean you voted remain
Yes. Voted to remain.
Why did you also say you voted leave then?
That was his evil twin, who sometimes posts on the caf too.
Why do people keep spelling ‘border’ as ‘boarder’?
It was a genuine mistake which I have already corrected.
Unlike Brexit.
Anyone think there will be serious unrest from hardcore leavers if Brexit gets canned?
They need the rent.
Same old same old.
Guy comes into thread, guy talks like a leave voter, guy says at the very "oh b t dubz I voted to remain".
Only this guy somehow accidentally wrote down that he voted to leave.
"I'm one of you, you can't berate my opinions!"
Guy comes into thread, guy talks like a leave voter, guy says at the very "oh b t dubz I voted to remain".
Only this guy somehow accidentally wrote down that he voted to leave.
"I'm one of you, you can't berate my opinions!"
for me because English isn't my 1st language and when I think of the word I think of a wooden board then add er on the end and because spell check does not highlight it I don't notice - wont lie Ill almost certainly carry on making the same mistake
Piers Morgan does that all the time. He's constantly saying "I voted remain and I would again tomorrow, but we should leave because democracy etc."
He blatantly voted leave.
Why would he lie though? Its not like he likes to project a positive image of himself, rather his whole schtick is being the guy everyone loves to hate.
He's a Londoner too and in show business so its easy to see why he'd be a remainer..
It’s a sad indictment of the thread that people feel the need to qualify any statement that’s slightly against the grain with “I voted remain”
Some I'm sure although not the far right threat and terror on the streets that leavers like to hint at every chance they get.
It makes him look more balanced in the debate if he's a remainer backing no deal and brexiteer points of view.
Nothing large scale although I wouldn’t discount the possibility of some lone wolf carrying out an attack. I think you would see a big drop in voting turn out in some areas.
That grinds my gears no end.
What does May have to show her "plan B"?
Schengen entry point Visa I guess
Agreed. The far right really are very limited in numbers and capacity to cause anything large scale. We already have the Prevent scheme which is taking on increasing referrals of people vulnerable to far right radicalism. Those referrals were up 36% last year but to put that in some perspective that's 1312 people in a population of 66 million. Despite what the online debate looks like, and the extreme views of those who shout the loudest, the vast majority of people in the UK are, whether they are leavers or remainers, really quite moderate in their views. What you will see is a deepening disenchantment with the democratic process on the part of many who voted to leave and it'll be important that, if Brexit is canned, any legitimate discontent is acknowledged and addressed. There are communities that need fixing.
No it isn't, an indictment of people who don't have arguments to defend their opinions and pretend they're playing devil's advocate instead.
That says more about them than anyone else.
Sorry wasn’t having go at you as such, I know you’re not a native speaker. I keep seeing the same error when talking about the Irish border on various sources here, Twitter and Facebook.
They probably just won't vote again, but that would be for the best anyway. But at least the UK won't turn into some sort of Mad Max hellscape, where the majority of them die of starvation or due to a lack of necessary medicine. They'll be angry, they'll be disenfranchised, but at least they will be alive to feel like that.
I wish piers Morgan and his twin halfwit Katie Hopkins would leave the planet
I think it's often the case that most people will have certain views that are quite extreme, but which are balanced out at the same time. And those extreme views may be ones that reflect their thoughts, but which they aren't particularly passionate about. I know plenty of people who I've heard say fairly problematic stuff about immigrants etc but a lot of them say it casually and will also have plenty of immigrants they get along with. Although I would say you've got to be careful to avoid complacency - most far-right states probably aren't filled with people who're genuinely passionate about being on the far-right, but will instead have plenty of people who maybe have fascist sympathies and who therefore allow far-right people to get in the door even if they don't have majority support as such.
I guess it depends on your definition of extreme and what is right wing and far right wing thinking. It's my belief that the overwhelming majority of people do not hold views extreme enough, or with enough passion, to actively engage in civil disorder. In today's society those who want to use violence to achieve any sort of political aim or express political views are in a huge minority despite the best efforts of activists a la SYL to whip up mob frenzy.