starman
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Sound bite May or contradiction Corbyn
Douche or Turd
Hmmm...
Douche or Turd
Hmmm...
By god has anyone read the Youtube comments on that video? Ater reading a few of them I was starting to question who pasted who in that debate.
Social media is without a shadow of a doubt the antichrist!
The comment section of Youtube is an amazing place, almost every videos is used to troll or share the stupidest opinions imaginable. The trolling is interesting because it has been a thing for so long that I don't understand how that trend hasn't die on that platform.
I'm not from the UK and I don't think he has done well. This is mostly because his stance that everything will become great when he takes over negotiations is a trump like proposal which shouldnt convince anyone. He's treating the situation with the EU like it's a game of chess and he's simply the better player than May. The deal is on the table and there's no way that he'll get a more rosy version and some ideas spouted by some of his followers like the "The EU is scared of a socialist Britain hence why we would get a better deal" are just laughable.
Having said that, Labours position is simply horrible and no one has yet to offer a clear way that they should've picked. In my opinion they should've strongly pushed for a Customs Union deal position from the beginning with an option of a 2nd referendum specifying what "the public wants" (god that sounds dumb). I think with a homogenous party position and proper narrative setting that could've been a genuine way out for them. But that's easier said than done in hindsight. Now, they're in a shit position, everything he would do right now would piss off a lot of people.
And he's additionally not being helped with all the ludicrous shit that's being thrown at him, in the media and elsewhere. You just have to look through the last few pages to see the pathetic "Can't be trusted with the economy" "Terrorist supporter" agenda.
Maybe the tory supporter in here who spout those "Any other opposition would be miles ahead" nonsense should take a deep look at the party they've supported for decades. If it weren't for his referendum call, Paul the Wolf, Sassy Collins, Honest John and whatever they're all named would glorify a leader like Cameron yet he and his party are ten times more responsible for this mess than Labour and that is not because of the referendum call itself but because they've pushed their "business friendly, lets turn the UK into a tax heaven while pushing austerity" agenda for years, feeding the public continuously with fears of immigration and consolidating the beliefs of little Englanders that the Great British Empire deserves something better than the EU.
Yet Corbyn is solely responsible because he doesn't want to join a half arsed talk with May who ignored all the other parties for the last two years and now desperately tries to play the bipartisan card.
By god has anyone read the Youtube comments on that video? Ater reading a few of them I was starting to question who pasted who in that debate.
Social media is without a shadow of a doubt the antichrist!
By god has anyone read the Youtube comments on that video? Ater reading a few of them I was starting to question who pasted who in that debate.
Social media is without a shadow of a doubt the antichrist!
Machine gunning someone with prepared cornering questions and not allowing them to respond in context, while whining and groaning over the responses was pretty immature don't you think?
Last year Mogg quoted a Sun article that was factually wrong, but Mogg assumed that it was researched correctly. O'brien has been hitting him with a stick over it for months in order to make his radio listener fans think he's a deceiver.
On a side note, I'm surprised anyone would believe anything the Sun says.
Do you know how this would affect someone like myself?
I have a property in Portugal, Portuguese bank account, fiscal no etc but no citizenship as the property isn't worth over 500,000 euros.
If this god forbid does happen, do I pay the same tourist visa charge or are there concessions/exclusions for a property owner.
By god has anyone read the Youtube comments on that video? Ater reading a few of them I was starting to question who pasted who in that debate.
Social media is without a shadow of a doubt the antichrist!
Machine gunning someone with prepared cornering questions and not allowing them to respond in context, while whining and groaning over the responses was pretty immature don't you think?
Last year Mogg quoted a Sun article that was factually wrong, but Mogg assumed that it was researched correctly. O'brien has been hitting him with a stick over it for months in order to make his radio listener fans think he's a deceiver.
To be honest I think that while O'Brien might be bright, sharp and quick witted I do think he simply lacks class. From the very beginning he lets out sighs of exasperation, he frequently cuts off JRM mid sentence and with his arrogant tone treats a major politican like some random drooling moron he can just bully around. Even as someone who stand on his side of the argument he was fairly infuriating.
It's not how you have a meaningful dialogue, it's not how you convince anyone who isn't already on your side. How likely is it for a pro Brexit person to entertain his arguments (let alone agree with them) when he's trying so hard to talk down to his counterpart who in a way speaks for them? If you antagonize your audience it's hard for them to keep an open mind towards your arguments. JRM in comparison seems very unimpressed and patient with O'Brien's antics, so from that perspective I can understand why some people think he had the upper hand.
What was needed here was not badgering, but finesse.
Machine gunning someone with prepared cornering questions and not allowing them to respond in context, while whining and groaning over the responses was pretty immature don't you think?
Last year Mogg quoted a Sun article that was factually wrong, but Mogg assumed that it was researched correctly. O'brien has been hitting him with a stick over it for months in order to make his radio listener fans think he's a deceiver.
To be honest I think that while O'Brien might be bright, sharp and quick witted I do think he simply lacks class. From the very beginning he lets out sighs of exasperation, he frequently cuts off JRM mid sentence and with his arrogant tone treats a major politican like some random drooling moron he can just bully around. Even as someone who stands on his side of the argument he was fairly infuriating.
It's not how you have a meaningful dialogue, it's not how you convince anyone who isn't already on your side. How likely is it for a pro Brexit person to entertain his arguments (let alone agree with them) when he's trying so hard to talk down to his counterpart who in a way speaks for them? If you antagonize your audience it's hard for them to keep an open mind towards your arguments. JRM in comparison seems very unimpressed and patient with O'Brien's antics, so from that perspective I can understand why some people think he had the upper hand.
What was needed here was not badgering, but finesse.
How can questions on ones specialist subject possibly be cornering? If someone put me on the spot and asked me a loaf of questions about CIWS for example I would knock it out of the park. No-one had heard of JRM before Brexit and no one will ever again after it so he is literally in the spotlight just for Brexit. He could have easily defended his claims with facts and truth if there was any to it. The fact that as always he reiteriates to eloquent waffle rather than anything of substance just exposes him for the fraud that he is. At least to anyone with a brain.
I scrolled down through A LOT of comments in that video and the vast majorit of them were from a name and surname with no pictures or nicknames like is the norm which leads me to believe that the Brexit robots are still out in force.
To be honest I think that while O'Brien might be bright, sharp and quick witted I do think he simply lacks class. From the very beginning he lets out sighs of exasperation, he frequently cuts off JRM mid sentence and with his arrogant tone treats a major politican like some random drooling moron he can just bully around. Even as someone who stands on his side of the argument he was fairly infuriating.
It's not how you have a meaningful dialogue, it's not how you convince anyone who isn't already on your side. How likely is it for a pro Brexit person to entertain his arguments (let alone agree with them) when he's trying so hard to talk down to his counterpart who in a way speaks for them? If you antagonize your audience it's hard for them to keep an open mind towards your arguments. JRM in comparison seems very unimpressed and patient with O'Brien's antics, so from that perspective I can understand why some people think he had the upper hand.
What was needed here was not badgering, but finesse.
Machine gunning someone with prepared cornering questions and not allowing them to respond in context, while whining and groaning over the responses was pretty immature don't you think?
Last year Mogg quoted a Sun article that was factually wrong, but Mogg assumed that it was researched correctly. O'brien has been hitting him with a stick over it for months in order to make his radio listener fans think he's a deceiver.
To be honest I think that while O'Brien might be bright, sharp and quick witted I do think he simply lacks class. From the very beginning he lets out sighs of exasperation, he frequently cuts off JRM mid sentence and with his arrogant tone treats a major politican like some random drooling moron he can just bully around. Even as someone who stands on his side of the argument he was fairly infuriating.
It's not how you have a meaningful dialogue, it's not how you convince anyone who isn't already on your side. How likely is it for a pro Brexit person to entertain his arguments (let alone agree with them) when he's trying so hard to talk down to his counterpart who in a way speaks for them? If you antagonize your audience it's hard for them to keep an open mind towards your arguments. JRM in comparison seems very unimpressed and patient with O'Brien's antics, so from that perspective I can understand why some people think he had the upper hand.
What was needed here was not badgering, but finesse.
I found the whole thing about Australian beef hilarious. Let’s buy beef, do no quality checks on it if any sort because JRM thinks that you can take the word of the seller rather than your own trading standard checks. What planet is this guy on?
Giant posters featuring quotes from prominent Brexit politicians have been pasted onto billboards around Dover, England.
A pro-Remain group calling itself Led By Donkeys has claimed responsibility for the posters, the latest in a "public information campaign to remind the public of the statements and promises made to us by our MPs", according to a statement.
A spokesperson for the group told the Press Association: "The news cycle is so fast nowadays, we forget what our leaders once said.
"If they want us to trust their judgment as we enter the choppy waters of Brexit it's right that we remind ourselves of their record."
The new posters include quotes from arch Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg, Prime Minister Theresa May, former Brexit secretary Dominic Raab and International Trade Secretary Liam Fox.
Yeah Corbyn just back a referendum nothing can go wrong
He is not interested in the EU. This was plainly demonstrated with his luke-warm attitude in the referendum campaign where, having declared (reluctantly) that Labour were behind Remain, did next to sod all in terms of trying to bring core Labour voters on side. They abandoned him then but came back in some way at the 2017 election when Labour ran on a manifesto to implement the result. If he comes out for a 2nd ref they will abandon him again and he know's that. The EU holds little interest for Corbyn. It is just not a factor in his world view.He reminds me of the Labour anti- EEC lot back in the early 70s.
I remember at the beginning of Brexit thinking why isn't that Labour Leader saying anything of substance - and he still hasn't three years later.
I am a bit lost with this subject. Will they need a visa to go on holidays to Schengen countries? I don't think It's a good idea.
I mean,the rule Will be with EU or every country can establish conditions with UK?
UK is also leaving Schengen space by their own decision. They will need Visas like any other tourists, but I'm sure they will get a reduced fee like Russia or China. Free Visa will not be an option.
The opposite will also happen: if you wish to visit UK, the small stay Visa is 65 pounds, which is about 74€.
UK is also leaving Schengen space by their own decision. They will need Visas like any other tourists, but I'm sure they will get a reduced fee like Russia or China. Free Visa will not be an option.
The opposite will also happen: if you wish to visit UK, the small stay Visa is 65 pounds, which is about 74€.
Do you know how this would affect someone like myself?
I have a property in Portugal, Portuguese bank account, fiscal no etc but no citizenship as the property isn't worth over 500,000 euros.
If this god forbid does happen, do I pay the same tourist visa charge or are there concessions/exclusions for a property owner.
The UK have never been in the Schengen area.
I’m sure you’ll look forward to that on a Friday nightJust had a nice early morning debate with a brexiteer. The fact she listed about 10 reasons for wanting to leave, which I replied to in order disproving every one seemed to annoy her greatly. She says she'll reply after work about how I'm wrong so I've got something to look forward to later I suppose
Looking forward to adding that onto my stag do
True, up to now we have had the advantages of being in the EU whilst having the ability to reject much of the stuff we didn't like. We had a fair degree of the supposedly impossible cherry picking all along then, just for a while.The UK have never been in the Schengen area.
I firmly believe another referendum would see a 55-60% majority voting in favour of remaining. I know so many people who didn’t bother voting the first time round because they naively thought the country couldn’t possibly vote itself out the eu. I’ve also seen plenty of brexiteers change their stance whilst at the same time haven’t seen one remained switch theirs.
It’s a shame but can’t see any way out of this mess. We look completely incompetent as a global power despite what option we take. It would be wise not to undertake a referendum in future willy nilly, without having full information and formalities disclosed with the public.
The government can improve the odds by cutting electricity supply for 2 days. A big chunk of brexiters won't make it to the polls without their scooters
I firmly believe another referendum would see a 55-60% majority voting in favour of remaining. I know so many people who didn’t bother voting the first time round because they naively thought the country couldn’t possibly vote itself out the eu. I’ve also seen plenty of brexiteers change their stance whilst at the same time haven’t seen one remained switch theirs.
It’s a shame but can’t see any way out of this mess. We look completely incompetent as a global power despite what option we take. It would be wise not to undertake a referendum in future willy nilly, without having full information and formalities disclosed with the public.
Maltese politics.
I’m sure you’ll look forward to that on a Friday night