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By god has anyone read the Youtube comments on that video? Ater reading a few of them I was starting to question who pasted who in that debate. :eek::nervous:

Social media is without a shadow of a doubt the antichrist!

The comment section of Youtube is an amazing place, almost every videos is used to troll or share the stupidest opinions imaginable. The trolling is interesting because it has been a thing for so long that I don't understand how that trend hasn't die on that platform.
 
The comment section of Youtube is an amazing place, almost every videos is used to troll or share the stupidest opinions imaginable. The trolling is interesting because it has been a thing for so long that I don't understand how that trend hasn't die on that platform.

You can tell the trolls and the sarcastic comments, its all over the net and they're very obvious, but the "genuine" ones on this video are something else.

Having listened to the full 22+ minutes after reading some comments I was ready to belive JRM wiped the floor with O'Brien and he is the messiah we have been waiting for, when the reality as exposed by that clip is that he's an unscrupulous fraud with a posh accent.
 
I'm not from the UK and I don't think he has done well. This is mostly because his stance that everything will become great when he takes over negotiations is a trump like proposal which shouldnt convince anyone. He's treating the situation with the EU like it's a game of chess and he's simply the better player than May. The deal is on the table and there's no way that he'll get a more rosy version and some ideas spouted by some of his followers like the "The EU is scared of a socialist Britain hence why we would get a better deal" are just laughable.

Having said that, Labours position is simply horrible and no one has yet to offer a clear way that they should've picked. In my opinion they should've strongly pushed for a Customs Union deal position from the beginning with an option of a 2nd referendum specifying what "the public wants" (god that sounds dumb). I think with a homogenous party position and proper narrative setting that could've been a genuine way out for them. But that's easier said than done in hindsight. Now, they're in a shit position, everything he would do right now would piss off a lot of people.
And he's additionally not being helped with all the ludicrous shit that's being thrown at him, in the media and elsewhere. You just have to look through the last few pages to see the pathetic "Can't be trusted with the economy" "Terrorist supporter" agenda.

Maybe the tory supporter in here who spout those "Any other opposition would be miles ahead" nonsense should take a deep look at the party they've supported for decades. If it weren't for his referendum call, Paul the Wolf, Sassy Collins, Honest John and whatever they're all named would glorify a leader like Cameron yet he and his party are ten times more responsible for this mess than Labour and that is not because of the referendum call itself but because they've pushed their "business friendly, lets turn the UK into a tax heaven while pushing austerity" agenda for years, feeding the public continuously with fears of immigration and consolidating the beliefs of little Englanders that the Great British Empire deserves something better than the EU.
Yet Corbyn is solely responsible because he doesn't want to join a half arsed talk with May who ignored all the other parties for the last two years and now desperately tries to play the bipartisan card.

I've never voted for Cameron. I'm not blaming Corbyn for his actions in the last two days but the past three years and couldn't be more against a tax haven than anyone. Corbyn is a crap politician, that's all and I'm totally against all forms of discrimination and austerity so you are totally wrong.
 
By god has anyone read the Youtube comments on that video? Ater reading a few of them I was starting to question who pasted who in that debate. :eek::nervous:

Social media is without a shadow of a doubt the antichrist!

Being totally deluded is a prerequisite of supporting Rees-Mogg to be fair. The guy is a transparent fraud who no sane human being should take remotely seriously.
 
By god has anyone read the Youtube comments on that video? Ater reading a few of them I was starting to question who pasted who in that debate. :eek::nervous:

Social media is without a shadow of a doubt the antichrist!

Machine gunning someone with prepared cornering questions and not allowing them to respond in context, while whining and groaning over the responses was pretty immature don't you think?

Last year Mogg quoted a Sun article that was factually wrong, but Mogg assumed that it was researched correctly. O'brien has been hitting him with a stick over it for months in order to make his radio listener fans think he's a deceiver.
 
Machine gunning someone with prepared cornering questions and not allowing them to respond in context, while whining and groaning over the responses was pretty immature don't you think?

Last year Mogg quoted a Sun article that was factually wrong, but Mogg assumed that it was researched correctly. O'brien has been hitting him with a stick over it for months in order to make his radio listener fans think he's a deceiver.

On a side note, I'm surprised anyone would believe anything the Sun says.
 
On a side note, I'm surprised anyone would believe anything the Sun says.

If we leave with no deal, I think on 29th March by way of a tribute to The Sun, The Guardian should run with:

“Will the last person to leave Britain tonight please turn out the lights” and stick a picture of May in a lightbulb on the front just like they did with Neil Kinnock.

It’s only fair.
 
Do you know how this would affect someone like myself?

I have a property in Portugal, Portuguese bank account, fiscal no etc but no citizenship as the property isn't worth over 500,000 euros.

If this god forbid does happen, do I pay the same tourist visa charge or are there concessions/exclusions for a property owner.


I am not 100% sure about the following, so take it with a pinch of salt. We have a thing called a golden visa for non-EU citizens, where basically you can enter and stay in the country as if you were a EU citizen.

To be eligible for one of these golden visas you must either:

- own property worth at least 500k euros
- have at least 1 million euros invested in the country
- create a certain number of local jobs~

These numbers may have changed because the law was updated and I remember reading that if you invested a certain amount in renovations or improvements in the property, the value drops to 350k euros.

Anyway, as I said you probably would have to get more accurate information but these special visas are a thing and maybe you qualify.
 
By god has anyone read the Youtube comments on that video? Ater reading a few of them I was starting to question who pasted who in that debate. :eek::nervous:

Social media is without a shadow of a doubt the antichrist!

To be honest I think that while O'Brien might be bright, sharp and quick witted I do think he simply lacks class. From the very beginning he lets out sighs of exasperation, he frequently cuts off JRM mid sentence and with his arrogant tone treats a major politican like some random drooling moron he can just bully around. Even as someone who stands on his side of the argument he was fairly infuriating.

It's not how you have a meaningful dialogue, it's not how you convince anyone who isn't already on your side. How likely is it for a pro Brexit person to entertain his arguments (let alone agree with them) when he's trying so hard to talk down to his counterpart who in a way speaks for them? If you antagonize your audience it's hard for them to keep an open mind towards your arguments. JRM in comparison seems very unimpressed and patient with O'Brien's antics, so from that perspective I can understand why some people think he had the upper hand.

What was needed here was not badgering, but finesse.
 
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Machine gunning someone with prepared cornering questions and not allowing them to respond in context, while whining and groaning over the responses was pretty immature don't you think?

Last year Mogg quoted a Sun article that was factually wrong, but Mogg assumed that it was researched correctly. O'brien has been hitting him with a stick over it for months in order to make his radio listener fans think he's a deceiver.

Tells you all you need to know about what an untrustworthy little scrote he is, getting his “facts” from the Sun newspaper.
 
To be honest I think that while O'Brien might be bright, sharp and quick witted I do think he simply lacks class. From the very beginning he lets out sighs of exasperation, he frequently cuts off JRM mid sentence and with his arrogant tone treats a major politican like some random drooling moron he can just bully around. Even as someone who stand on his side of the argument he was fairly infuriating.

It's not how you have a meaningful dialogue, it's not how you convince anyone who isn't already on your side. How likely is it for a pro Brexit person to entertain his arguments (let alone agree with them) when he's trying so hard to talk down to his counterpart who in a way speaks for them? If you antagonize your audience it's hard for them to keep an open mind towards your arguments. JRM in comparison seems very unimpressed and patient with O'Brien's antics, so from that perspective I can understand why some people think he had the upper hand.

What was needed here was not badgering, but finesse.

I agree with this though.
 
Machine gunning someone with prepared cornering questions and not allowing them to respond in context, while whining and groaning over the responses was pretty immature don't you think?

Last year Mogg quoted a Sun article that was factually wrong, but Mogg assumed that it was researched correctly. O'brien has been hitting him with a stick over it for months in order to make his radio listener fans think he's a deceiver.

How can questions on ones specialist subject possibly be cornering? If someone put me on the spot and asked me a loaf of questions about CIWS for example I would knock it out of the park. No-one had heard of JRM before Brexit and no one will ever again after it so he is literally in the spotlight just for Brexit. He could have easily defended his claims with facts and truth if there was any to it. The fact that as always he reiteriates to eloquent waffle rather than anything of substance just exposes him for the fraud that he is. At least to anyone with a brain.

I scrolled down through A LOT of comments in that video and the vast majorit of them were from a name and surname with no pictures or nicknames like is the norm which leads me to believe that the Brexit robots are still out in force.
 
To be honest I think that while O'Brien might be bright, sharp and quick witted I do think he simply lacks class. From the very beginning he lets out sighs of exasperation, he frequently cuts off JRM mid sentence and with his arrogant tone treats a major politican like some random drooling moron he can just bully around. Even as someone who stands on his side of the argument he was fairly infuriating.

It's not how you have a meaningful dialogue, it's not how you convince anyone who isn't already on your side. How likely is it for a pro Brexit person to entertain his arguments (let alone agree with them) when he's trying so hard to talk down to his counterpart who in a way speaks for them? If you antagonize your audience it's hard for them to keep an open mind towards your arguments. JRM in comparison seems very unimpressed and patient with O'Brien's antics, so from that perspective I can understand why some people think he had the upper hand.

What was needed here was not badgering, but finesse.

O’brien is probably just as angry as the rest of us that these buffoons are given e platform and its too right that he shouldn’t allow him to deviate, waffle or deflect.

I get absolutely infuriated watching some of the bullshit these Brexshiteers spout I would have acted exactly in the same way given the opportunity to grill these gammons!

And as for a major politician please see my previous post.
 
How can questions on ones specialist subject possibly be cornering? If someone put me on the spot and asked me a loaf of questions about CIWS for example I would knock it out of the park. No-one had heard of JRM before Brexit and no one will ever again after it so he is literally in the spotlight just for Brexit. He could have easily defended his claims with facts and truth if there was any to it. The fact that as always he reiteriates to eloquent waffle rather than anything of substance just exposes him for the fraud that he is. At least to anyone with a brain.

I scrolled down through A LOT of comments in that video and the vast majorit of them were from a name and surname with no pictures or nicknames like is the norm which leads me to believe that the Brexit robots are still out in force.

Yeah I don't see any real issues with the way O'Brien conducted the interview. His usual sighs and groans were present and they alwats exasperate me a little, but I don't see how anyone could argue that JRM came out on top.

To be honest I think that while O'Brien might be bright, sharp and quick witted I do think he simply lacks class. From the very beginning he lets out sighs of exasperation, he frequently cuts off JRM mid sentence and with his arrogant tone treats a major politican like some random drooling moron he can just bully around. Even as someone who stands on his side of the argument he was fairly infuriating.

It's not how you have a meaningful dialogue, it's not how you convince anyone who isn't already on your side. How likely is it for a pro Brexit person to entertain his arguments (let alone agree with them) when he's trying so hard to talk down to his counterpart who in a way speaks for them? If you antagonize your audience it's hard for them to keep an open mind towards your arguments. JRM in comparison seems very unimpressed and patient with O'Brien's antics, so from that perspective I can understand why some people think he had the upper hand.

What was needed here was not badgering, but finesse.

Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.
 
Machine gunning someone with prepared cornering questions and not allowing them to respond in context, while whining and groaning over the responses was pretty immature don't you think?

Last year Mogg quoted a Sun article that was factually wrong, but Mogg assumed that it was researched correctly. O'brien has been hitting him with a stick over it for months in order to make his radio listener fans think he's a deceiver.

:lol:

Quoting the Sun is bad enough, but assuming they actually researched something is hilarious. And he's an MP.
 
To be honest I think that while O'Brien might be bright, sharp and quick witted I do think he simply lacks class. From the very beginning he lets out sighs of exasperation, he frequently cuts off JRM mid sentence and with his arrogant tone treats a major politican like some random drooling moron he can just bully around. Even as someone who stands on his side of the argument he was fairly infuriating.

It's not how you have a meaningful dialogue, it's not how you convince anyone who isn't already on your side. How likely is it for a pro Brexit person to entertain his arguments (let alone agree with them) when he's trying so hard to talk down to his counterpart who in a way speaks for them? If you antagonize your audience it's hard for them to keep an open mind towards your arguments. JRM in comparison seems very unimpressed and patient with O'Brien's antics, so from that perspective I can understand why some people think he had the upper hand.

What was needed here was not badgering, but finesse.

It's all about preaching to the choir these days. It serves to fuel the divisive nature of the political landscape in this country.
 
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I found the whole thing about Australian beef hilarious. Let’s buy beef, do no quality checks on it if any sort because JRM thinks that you can take the word of the seller rather than your own trading standard checks. What planet is this guy on?
 
I found the whole thing about Australian beef hilarious. Let’s buy beef, do no quality checks on it if any sort because JRM thinks that you can take the word of the seller rather than your own trading standard checks. What planet is this guy on?

Ours, just from a hundred years ago.
 
https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/20...7HTngRTwZ5twpCLmnhnb1Ezy42gWPrulIXeAOqT1xQRAU

Giant posters featuring quotes from prominent Brexit politicians have been pasted onto billboards around Dover, England.

A pro-Remain group calling itself Led By Donkeys has claimed responsibility for the posters, the latest in a "public information campaign to remind the public of the statements and promises made to us by our MPs", according to a statement.

A spokesperson for the group told the Press Association: "The news cycle is so fast nowadays, we forget what our leaders once said.

"If they want us to trust their judgment as we enter the choppy waters of Brexit it's right that we remind ourselves of their record."

The new posters include quotes from arch Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg, Prime Minister Theresa May, former Brexit secretary Dominic Raab and International Trade Secretary Liam Fox.

 
He reminds me of the Labour anti- EEC lot back in the early 70s.
I remember at the beginning of Brexit thinking why isn't that Labour Leader saying anything of substance - and he still hasn't three years later.
He is not interested in the EU. This was plainly demonstrated with his luke-warm attitude in the referendum campaign where, having declared (reluctantly) that Labour were behind Remain, did next to sod all in terms of trying to bring core Labour voters on side. They abandoned him then but came back in some way at the 2017 election when Labour ran on a manifesto to implement the result. If he comes out for a 2nd ref they will abandon him again and he know's that. The EU holds little interest for Corbyn. It is just not a factor in his world view.
 
Just had a nice early morning debate with a brexiteer. The fact she listed about 10 reasons for wanting to leave, which I replied to in order disproving every one seemed to annoy her greatly. She says she'll reply after work about how I'm wrong so I've got something to look forward to later I suppose
 
I am a bit lost with this subject. Will they need a visa to go on holidays to Schengen countries? I don't think It's a good idea.
I mean,the rule Will be with EU or every country can establish conditions with UK?

UK is also leaving Schengen space by their own decision. They will need Visas like any other tourists, but I'm sure they will get a reduced fee like Russia or China. Free Visa will not be an option.

The opposite will also happen: if you wish to visit UK, the small stay Visa is 65 pounds, which is about 74€.
 
UK is also leaving Schengen space by their own decision. They will need Visas like any other tourists, but I'm sure they will get a reduced fee like Russia or China. Free Visa will not be an option.

The opposite will also happen: if you wish to visit UK, the small stay Visa is 65 pounds, which is about 74€.

Looking forward to adding that onto my stag do :mad::o
 
UK is also leaving Schengen space by their own decision. They will need Visas like any other tourists, but I'm sure they will get a reduced fee like Russia or China. Free Visa will not be an option.

The opposite will also happen: if you wish to visit UK, the small stay Visa is 65 pounds, which is about 74€.

The UK have never been in the Schengen area.
 
I firmly believe another referendum would see a 55-60% majority voting in favour of remaining. I know so many people who didn’t bother voting the first time round because they naively thought the country couldn’t possibly vote itself out the eu. I’ve also seen plenty of brexiteers change their stance whilst at the same time haven’t seen one remained switch theirs.

It’s a shame but can’t see any way out of this mess. We look completely incompetent as a global power despite what option we take. It would be wise not to undertake a referendum in future willy nilly, without having full information and formalities disclosed with the public.
 
Do you know how this would affect someone like myself?

I have a property in Portugal, Portuguese bank account, fiscal no etc but no citizenship as the property isn't worth over 500,000 euros.

If this god forbid does happen, do I pay the same tourist visa charge or are there concessions/exclusions for a property owner.

I was just making a small joke that post. You don't have to worry that much, since you already have address, fiscal number, BUT you should apply to a Permanent Residency just to make it safe. I suggest you do it before 29 March (Brexit date) and asap, because you know how our local authorities are sluggish with paper work, because nobody knows how the Brexit deal will come out.

Please read this official document carefully to check if everything is OK

https://imigrante.sef.pt/wp-content/uploads/Folheto_Brexit_EN.pdf
 
Just had a nice early morning debate with a brexiteer. The fact she listed about 10 reasons for wanting to leave, which I replied to in order disproving every one seemed to annoy her greatly. She says she'll reply after work about how I'm wrong so I've got something to look forward to later I suppose
I’m sure you’ll look forward to that on a Friday night
 
I firmly believe another referendum would see a 55-60% majority voting in favour of remaining. I know so many people who didn’t bother voting the first time round because they naively thought the country couldn’t possibly vote itself out the eu. I’ve also seen plenty of brexiteers change their stance whilst at the same time haven’t seen one remained switch theirs.

It’s a shame but can’t see any way out of this mess. We look completely incompetent as a global power despite what option we take. It would be wise not to undertake a referendum in future willy nilly, without having full information and formalities disclosed with the public.

The government can improve the odds by cutting electricity supply for 2 days. A big chunk of brexiters won't make it to the polls without their scooters
 
The government can improve the odds by cutting electricity supply for 2 days. A big chunk of brexiters won't make it to the polls without their scooters

Maltese politics.:lol:
 
I firmly believe another referendum would see a 55-60% majority voting in favour of remaining. I know so many people who didn’t bother voting the first time round because they naively thought the country couldn’t possibly vote itself out the eu. I’ve also seen plenty of brexiteers change their stance whilst at the same time haven’t seen one remained switch theirs.

It’s a shame but can’t see any way out of this mess. We look completely incompetent as a global power despite what option we take. It would be wise not to undertake a referendum in future willy nilly, without having full information and formalities disclosed with the public.

Just wondering, why can't another referendum be held? It seems to me looking in from the outside that at this point most folks don't want to leave
 
Maltese politics.:lol:

Actually voting in malta is done on weekends so everyone will have time to vote. Which explains the high turnouts. Also the typical maltese is a political beast whose well informed what is going on and will confront politicians directly to ask for explanations. People like Farage and Le Pen would end up in squares to be laughed at (we have their equivalent in norman lowell and ivan grech mintoff)

Our issues are mostly a priority thing ie environmental and good governance issues tend to score low in the typical voters priority list. Hence why we ended up with 2 main parties who are savagely pro business
 
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Gut feeling.... But how about may to call (another) snap general election

This would almost certainly force labour to have in their manifesto a 2nd referendum as its the overwhelming preference of the membership... But could cost them a fair few seats

But might give may a working majority to get her deal through?

She seems to be running out of other options so perhaps a last roll of the dice?