Depends the part of Spain and the part of Portugal.
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Depends the part of Spain and the part of Portugal.
No they wont. They buy a package on a travel agency, and that package will include visa costs. They will keep coming for Algarve.
I used to prefer Portugal for golfing but it’s too popular now and too many of the stewards tell you to hurry up because the courses all try and get as many tee times as possible. For that reason alone I hope Portugal don’t profit from brexit.
It was a small joke. The same will happen to me when I want to visit your beatiful countries, I will need to pay the UK Visa. And I'm almost sure the UK tourists will get a reduced Visa cost, like happens to russians and chinese tourist ATM.
Yep, we could veto long term budgets, but annual budgets can be passed with a qualified majority.
If we were playing hardball with the EU the approach now would be:
1. Formally revoke A50
2. State publicly that we consider May’s deal to be the opening Brexit offer and need for renegotiation
3. The EU will state that the deal cannot be renogtiated, and certainly not without A50 being triggered
4. We generally cause mayhem inside the EU, vetoing budgets and such, until they agree to renegotiate the deal, ahead of us retriggering A50 without the 2 year no-deal deadline gun to our head.
It would probably all end up back at the ECJ, who would side with the rest of the EU that Britain is behaving unlawfully. Or the rest of the EU would gang up to pass legislation that screws Britain, for example in the financial sector.
possibly - might force him to back a 2nd ref though to ensure he wins?
The only people who'll profit on Brexit is politician's bank accounts, that's for sure. The guy who has a small restaurant business at Albufeira will probably loose more.
So a potential £300 increase for a family of 4 on their holiday won't have any affect on demand?
Out of pure curiosity, I would like to see that one. You will never get a trade deal or any sort of deal though simply because you'll be considered as highly untrustworthy which is key; the interesting part is how the 27 would wiggle out of it.
Well said. These people who are pissed at Corbyn for not pressing the magical stop Brexit button they've invented in their heads are being just as awful as the "Just get on with it" lot.
They will reduce their margin profit a bit to accomodate those extra costs, because they know Algarve sells a lot. The price will not rise that much.
And besides, people already have an emotional connection with some specific places for their vacations. it's a human thing.
In that order, same thing would happen to London. London tourism income is already a great part of the local economy and people will still travel to London, despite having to pay Visas.
I will still return there to revisit the Yorkshire, which is my favourite place in UK.
Sounds like a David “SAS” Davis wargaming fantasy.
So the immigration authorities in Portugal will benefit at the expense of the tour operators and hotel owners in Portugal.
Un oeuf is un oeuf.
It's not sure that they will benefit, there is an administrative and human resources cost to take into account.
You're right, those folk that said he was "playing a blinder" by calling a confidence vote on the PM instead were far closer to the money.
I mean, we've only lost a month out of three and got exactly the same result, what's not to love.
That will mostly happen. And the sad part is that they have "the law" behind them. The money will probably end in some offshore.
I guess the same will happen in UK, and mainly London which is one of the most touristic cities in the world, or do UK authorities will not charge the 65 pounds (if my memory serves me right) of visa costs?
If only...
Corbyn's such a prat that I'm starting to agree with May
Nails it.
Corbyn is a chancer who talks a good game, but that is all. He is in this for himself and bugger the people.
He's playing a pretty poor hand incredibly badly... Will be interesting to see the next round of polling
Corbyn's such a prat that I'm starting to agree with May
Any Leader of the Opposition with some character, intelligence, leadership and charisma would have slaughtered the government but at the moment he looks more incompetent and more likely to be replaced than a PM who has lost a vote by 230. Incredible. How the hell does he think he's going to gain votes even if there were an election?
I don't think a presenter is there to be constructive. He's there to extract the truth.
that will help Britain's reputation with the rest of the world wouldn't it?
I don't think anyone said that, it was always doomed to fail but he had no choice it was dictated my membership and am opposition who didn't table a VONC after that defeat would be a shambles.
My point stands, people have strong opinions (that i share) on the direction but they completely overlook any negative consequences. It would have been detrimental to push a referendum a month or 6 months ago as it needed and still does need to come from a place of desperation rather than plotting.
The last thing any remainer should want is pushing Tories into supporting Mays deal. Ideally the push towards a referendum is Tory led so they don't have to be seen to side with Corbyn.
You might want to pause the Bill Hicks video your watching.
For decades Corbyn has had literally no power in the Labour Party, he did'nt even want to run for leadership in 2015, in fact he had to be forced by the rest of the labour left. Under his leadership it's easier to deselect MPs e.g. people like him. Not to mentioned the personal abuse all MP get from the public and the press(Worth mentioning for the millionth time that a far right thug who drove into a crowd of Muslims literally said he was hoping that Khan and Corbyn would have there)
What I think would happen is that they would take most decisions as a qualified majority, further isolating the UK out.
Rogue state, didn't Cameron say that?
Hard to disagree with any of that.
Think he's banking on people disliking May and the Tories rather than actually preferring him.
Sometimes being constructive gets you further than being argumentative. Especially with someone like JRM.
You don't have to keep sighing with exasperation and cutting people off to get to the truth.
He's not going anywhere.
No one can blame Jeremy and his Brexit policy to appease his racist base at any cost. It wasn’t like he promised anyone new politics or anything like that.
Most likely the EU will make some unofficial rules and just ignore UK. It is 5 times bigger than UK, they hold all the cards. Doing those things will only make UK looking like a banana republic.
That's how the budget is voted anyway, qualified majority in the EU council and simple majority in the parliament. As far as I can tell, and I just checked, there are no veto during the procedure, so it wouldn't be an "official" stance, though obviously if a country publicly say that they veto something, the others will take note and you can't really force anyone to ultimately send the money.
I get the impression he's a convenient mouthpiece for whoever is really running the Labour Party. How he struggles to read eloquently what's been told to say.
Don't see how that wins votes.
On the bright side the younger voters who backed Corbyn got to see him almost immediately pursue a Brexit policy that is completely at odds with their best interests. The sense of apathy and helplessnes this creates will serve them well as they spend the rest of their lives toiling in the Tories' underground sugar caves.
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I wasn’t seriously suggesting this would be a good or realistic idea. Just that it would be technically possible, if we wanted to be utter cnuts about it.
That’s not quite right, as I understand it.
Long term budgets have to pass the EU Council unianimaously. In fact, Cameron once threatened to veto the budget: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKBRE89604720121007
It set off thinking in the EU about how to operate on annual budgets, which can be passed on qualified majorities, even if very far from ideal from a practical point of view. https://www.euractiv.com/section/eu...ys-to-bypass-britain-s-eu-budget-veto-threat/