You're being awfully vague...
Do your have any like for like examples of outright lies or not?
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You're being awfully vague...
Do your have any like for like examples of outright lies or not?
Translation: you can't.
Next thing you'll say: "I can't be bothered go research it yourself".
That is a prediction which I brought up - a factual lie we need.
Isn't that one linked to "no deal" and about post brexit, which has not happened yet?
It’s clear he doesn’t give a shit
Agreed. Regardless if his heart isn’t in it - I couldn’t give a flying deck about his own personal opinions - he should focus on taking this Tory government down and IMO forcing the referendum issue and taking the remain votes is the key to doing it.
The Labour moderates tried that once in 1981. I actually thought a Social Democratic Party was a good idea. A better option than Michael Foot in any case god bless him.
Yes Labour have dropped a big hairy bollock by leaving the centre ground imo. All downhill since David Miliband didn’t get the gig.
All Corbyn has done is mobilise the Student vote. Mind you, he did say nice things about student finance didn’t he?
Don’t want to be overly dismissive about the student vote because it’s an achievement in itself to engage young people in politics, but if you lived the 1970s, you know why a hard left government (or one at the mercy of the unions) ain’t a good thing.
I like that they all keep coming out with the same phrasing of "listening mode", it's as if they've gone into her office and come out mindcontrolled. Have some pride ffs
Correct. Labour are doing exactly what they said they would do from the very beginning and a process needs to be followed before calling a second referendum. You cannot betray a large portion of the people who voted for you without exploring every other avenue first. It's not a simple as being a Lib Dem, though they probably recall how well reversing their manifesto pledges went...
I can't see what the Remain side had to lie about.
It's what we have now, it's really not so bad.
Why change something that isn't particularly broken and look to change the way things are done to everyone's benefit.
It's what we have now, it's really not so bad.
Why change something that isn't particularly broken and look to change the way things are done to everyone's benefit.
That's exactly my view aswell
Thought this for a while now.
If all options should be on the table then he can't ask for 'No Deal' to be taken off. Otherwise why not take the other extreme off i.e to pull A50 and Remain. Nobody wants no deal except the headbangers. But is is the default legal position if a deal is not reached.
This is a straightforward question with I imagine a very complex answer, but in lay terms, how can they justify a second referendum? Would the European Union even recognize it? I imagine that more than half of the 51% who voted out probably still want out, so is it just a case of putting them in the corner or what?
If Labour push the second referendum they will be wiped off the electoral map.
Yes the majority of their party supports it, but the damage within each constituency would be catastrophic - especially long term when the same frustrations arise in a few years.
Yes the majority of their party supports it, but the damage within each constituency would be catastrophic - especially long term when the same frustrations arise in a few years.
No referendum is legally binding. The EU don’t care about the result of either – They want the UK to remain regardless.
I would have more respect for a politician calling to disregard the referendum altogether and accept that Brexit is a shambles. Just revoke article 50. The second referendum is just insulting to everyone involved. It’s an ultimatum.
He's the guy that loosens the wheel nuts on the car when the team are trying to make it ready to drive because he doesn't like the driver, or the team - or cars.
Then blames the team for neglecting the wheel nuts.
It would be justified mainly in terms of there now being much greater clarity on what the options are and the cost of those options (the initial referendum made no attempt to define leave and therefore it was subject to a myriad of interpretations, many of the cake and eat it variety). On a more technical level, we know Leave broke the funding rules and, combined with evidence of Russian interference, it could be argued that the first referendum was invalid anyway. Thirdly, demographic changes in light of the big generational split in voting - the “will of the people” is becoming increasingly the will of dead people with every month that passes.
The EU would support a second referendum. They want us to stay, just not at the price of tearing up their rulebook.
Because you'll be seen as a wum or worse if you can't be bothered to substantiate your claims.
You are having a mare in this thread so far.
If the cap fits.
Just search for brexit lies.
I have and there are numerous; one being the Brexit Emergency Budget.
Really. I was enjoying all the idiotic responses so please don't stop.
Never had such fun.
Anymore?
On the wind up as expected
Thanks for the answers chaps.
Have the EU vocalized that they want a second referendum? Again, I know this is such a vague question and I don’t know the ins and outs but wouldn’t most EU nations stand to make a profit off of brexit with import/export type stuff?
With foresight it should have been easy to come to that conclusion. Cameron put forward a binary choice and it was backed by most MPS (except Ken Clarke and few other Europhiles) to Leave the EU or Remain in the EU, not leave with some deal, or remain half in and half out, that was not the choice. It was binary because lo and behold everyone in the political and media establishment in the UK expected a Remain verdict.
The EU said from day one, no negotiations about trade, so why Mrs May jumped on the express to Brussels and immediately gave away on all points, is anyone's guess?
The choice was always binary, Remain in the EU as we are, or Leave the EU completely, this is the only realistic two options that persists. Politicians now have to step up to the mark and make the decision, in theory at least, each MP regardless of their own views/shade of political opinion should vote with the result from their constituency at the referendum. That way they keep faith with the public and British Politics doesn't go down the toilet.
On the wind up as expected
No. The British electorate was lied to by both sides. Fact.
If you disagree that is up to you.
You don't appear to be able to differentiate between facts and predictions.
Fox claiming he'd have 40 trade deals ready is not a lie but a bollox prediction, the same as Osborne.
At least you tried.
The EU has been careful not to be seen to be interfering in this British political impasse so they have not expressed any view on the question of a referendum as far as I know.
But many EU leaders have categorically said they would prefer the UK to stay. You are right that some of the EU 27 would derive some benefits if the UK were to leave (in fact some have already been picking up business in the last two year) but, ultimately I believe they recognise that the loss of one of the big 3 is a major blow to the European project (however awkward we were at times). Merkel in fact called Brexit a “tragedy”.
I actually dont think O'Brien came across very well in that interview. I completely understand why he adopted the attitude he did but I wish he had tried to be a bit more constructive.
Good news that come with Brexit:
- Portugal airports are considering to hire a lot of people for visa checking. A Visa in Portugal costs 60 to 95€ and local authorities expect to make about 20M€ in Visas fees during a year if UK tourist flux remians the same.
You guys are going to pay more for a Visa than for a Ryanair flight when travelling to Algarve
- Portugal airports are considering to hire a lot of people for visa checking. A Visa in Portugal costs 60 to 95€ and local authorities expect to make about 20M€ in Visas fees during a year if UK tourist flux remians the same.
You guys are going to pay more for a Visa than for a Ryanair flight when travelling to Algarve
Yeah, well, the joke's on you cause we'll just go to Cornwall instead and sit on the beaches in the rain eating £5 ice creams thinking about how bloody great it is to be back in control.Good news that come with Brexit:
- Portugal airports are considering to hire a lot of people for visa checking. A Visa in Portugal costs 60 to 95€ and local authorities expect to make about 20M€ in Visas fees during a year if UK tourist flux remians the same.
You guys are going to pay more for a Visa than for a Ryanair flight when travelling to Algarve
Good news that come with Brexit:
- Portugal airports are considering to hire a lot of people for visa checking. A Visa in Portugal costs 60 to 95€ and local authorities expect to make about 20M€ in Visas fees during a year if UK tourist flux remians the same.
You guys are going to pay more for a Visa than for a Ryanair flight when travelling to Algarve
Why would anyone want to go to Portugal when Spain is better for everything?
It'll be a knife in the heart of one of your main industries.Good news that come with Brexit:
- Portugal airports are considering to hire a lot of people for visa checking. A Visa in Portugal costs 60 to 95€ and local authorities expect to make about 20M€ in Visas fees during a year if UK tourist flux remians the same.
You guys are going to pay more for a Visa than for a Ryanair flight when travelling to Algarve
I can imagine that happening tooAll the EU destinations should do the same thing, set a standard fee so that Spain for example isn’t priority over Portugal
Good news that come with Brexit:
- Portugal airports are considering to hire a lot of people for visa checking. A Visa in Portugal costs 60 to 95€ and local authorities expect to make about 20M€ in Visas fees during a year if UK tourist flux remians the same.
You guys are going to pay more for a Visa than for a Ryanair flight when travelling to Algarve
As funny as that is people will just go elsewhere. It won't remain the same.
Not really. Travel agencies will take care of that. It will be included in the packages they sell. I would say 90% of UK traveller buy their vactions at travel resellers (AKA travel agencies) rather than booking plane tickets and book the lodging themselves.