A poisoned chalice if he won which is doubtful.
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A poisoned chalice if he won which is doubtful.
It's a bit entitled or downright arrogant to expect the UK can revoke A50 and activate it again the next day, wasting everyobody's time for another 2 years.
Should have thought twice before pulling the trigger. Ignorance is not an excuse at this level.
Should have thought twice before pulling the trigger. Ignorance is not an excuse at this level.
I agree, but if it is a choice between looking like a bit of a dick, or no-deal Brexit, then I know what I would choose.
For Chris Grayling it in't an excuse, it's his modus operandi.
And what makes you think the EU would accept ANY offer after that move? It would be a no-deal either way.
How has the Plan B vote been pushed to the 29th? Are they not ignoring Grieves motion doing that and why are we fecking delaying shit again
That is my thought. Either it is a deal that we can live with or we stay in. Fecking ERG bang on about £39b, well that would pale into insignificance against the cost of no deal. I'd willingly pay £39b just to avoid it.
I think everyone in and around Westminster will be judged very harshly by history for this. Whether you’re Remain or Leave, no one can be satisfied with either party and how they’ve acted. I suspect that the only thing stopping both of them taking a battering at the next general election is the FPTP system.
But even if that were possible it means they UK stay in the EU fully which won't please the Brexiteers, the same deal will be there , the EU still won't renegotiate and when the 2 years are up, back to square one. Neverending uncertainty.
- He said there were three key elements to Labour’s Brexit policy.Describing the Labour plan that the party will be tabling in the form of amendments, he said:
Those three elements provide the essential building blocks of a sensible deal with the clear potential to win majority support in parliament.
Corbyn's delusional unicorns
Let us keep in mind why everyone is dancing around issues that are imoossimpo and contradictory.
The political class don't want to talk about immigration.
The political class don't want to talk about immigration.
they should put down one amendment - basically benns amendment that they pulled before the vote which is to rule out no deal... might actually get that one passed
I am still unable to get my head around these amendments about no deal.
You can see what's going to happen. Labour are going to propose these - the rest of parliament already realise it's not possible - half of the Tories with the DUP are going to press for no deal - half of them are going to go for some part of Norway or Canada with the SNP or try and stop it altogether.
How is parliament ever going to come to a consensus and then also satisfy the people and even more importantly have a legitimate proposal that the EU will even contemplate.
And there's 71 days left .
He's not at the races with regard to Brexit or anything to do with it. Left to him he couldn't care less how it all finished. It is immaterial to his objectives. Hard, soft, stay-in. It doesn't matter. Economy crashing? Could not care a jot. Corbyn is against capitalism and any construct of it. His whole philosophy in an ideal world would be to tear it down root and branch then start again with his world view. There is nothing in this current situation (or any crisis that this country might otherwise face) that detracts Corbyns mind from that. His plans are not affected by the state the country is in when he takes over so why should he be bothered trying to change outcomes.
"The will of the people", feck off will you!
The will of half the (misinformed) people. Get it right rather than keep spouting the same old crap all the time.
Great quote for Ken Clarke btw.
The will of half the (misinformed) people. Get it right rather than keep spouting the same old crap all the time.
Great quote for Ken Clarke btw.
Why is anybody wondering why Corbyn isn’t backing a second referendum?
Maybe it’s because UKIP were squeezing the Labour vote making significant inroads into their core support in some of their heartlands?
Umm. Ironically the same reason Cameron set the whole ball rolling in the first place.
Both were squeezed by UKIP and both have had to appease that element of their support.
To recind now changing position and offering another referendum means a resurgent UKIP is eminently possible in the aftermath in the event of a stay result, so it’s a moot point whether it solves the whole problem or merely kicks the can down the road.
Maybe it’s because UKIP were squeezing the Labour vote making significant inroads into their core support in some of their heartlands?
Umm. Ironically the same reason Cameron set the whole ball rolling in the first place.
Both were squeezed by UKIP and both have had to appease that element of their support.
To recind now changing position and offering another referendum means a resurgent UKIP is eminently possible in the aftermath in the event of a stay result, so it’s a moot point whether it solves the whole problem or merely kicks the can down the road.
Corbyn is a huge fecking let down
This is the long and short of it.
It quite a spectacle, when you think about it. Watching a lifelong Brexiter - Corbyn - calling for guarantees that we will remain in the single market, which I am reasonably sure in his heart of hearts he would be perfectly happy to see us leave - from a PM who campaigned for Remain.
If you had asked the two of them before Corbyn became Labour leader to give their views on the Customs Union I am positive May would have said more positive things. Corbyn is only pretending to give a shit about the CU as an olive branch to the remain supporting members who put him in power.
I dont think its even that, though that is a factor. Mainly, he wants Brexit every bit as much as JRM, and is just as terrified about the people getting a chance to kill it.
It’s off the plate?
Sir Vince Cable, the Lib Dem leader, has confirmed that his party will not back Labour in future no confidence motions until Labour backs a second referendum. He said:
Since he appears to be determined to play party political games rather than acting on the wishes of his own members and MPs, he will no longer be able to rely on our support for further no-confidence motions.
I believe other parties are taking the same view. It’s time Mr Corbyn got off the fence and made his position plain.
Corbyn's cunning plan yet again proved to be not very bright.
Since he appears to be determined to play party political games rather than acting on the wishes of his own members and MPs, he will no longer be able to rely on our support for further no-confidence motions.
I believe other parties are taking the same view. It’s time Mr Corbyn got off the fence and made his position plain.
Corbyn's cunning plan yet again proved to be not very bright.
He is, if you believe that he gives a shit. But if you look at his history he’s a huge eurosceptic so it’s quite clear he’s not going to bother his arse to do anything to try and reverse this shambles
Have you seen the James O'Brien vs Jacob Rees Mogg debate?
I think James was great in it, not quite as he was against Farage but he was still able to expose JRM for the fraud he is
I think James was great in it, not quite as he was against Farage but he was still able to expose JRM for the fraud he is
They should have a huge digital countdown clock in parliament and HOC - counting down until they’ve gone out on 31 March. Maybe it’ll wake some of them up. Make it have the countdown sound when it’s down to the last day
For not coming straight out for a referendum presumably?
I'm not sure those expecting him to do as such have really thought this through. Same as when loads of you demanded he did a VONC before Mays deal was even voted on, yeah that would have gone well wouldn't it.
I want this and he's not doing what i want is what I'm mainly hearing. If he'd come out before Mays vote for a referendum as some suggested Mays deal would probably have passed.
In my opinion it would be naive in the extreme to suppose that there was no colusion to paint the worst possible picture of the effects of leaving the EU by both the government, business and financial institutions.
In that case it IS lying. Premeditated colusion is lying.
Remember the Iraq war dodgy dossier?
Now. Do you really trust government to tell you the truth?
I think thats already been tabled under Boles name and there's also an SNP amendment for a referendum. Not sure if its still only one amendment allowed as you previously said though?
By this do you mean the divorce bill? But the weekly payments would stop wouldn't they?
And freedom of movement would end under her deal?
They have already had two leadership challenges so what is to say a third world be any different. He (unfortunately) has too much grass roots support so don't hold your breath.
Collusion? Who did the remain campaign collude with?
You still haven't provided a single lie. Strange considering there were too many to list.
I thought about this. He has changed the dynamic by increasing the membership at £3 a pop and setting the rules in favour of the membership & unions over the PLP. In a way he is bullet-proof unless he stands down. Any challenge such as the one May faced from her party in terms of no confidence will be crushed. This is Politburo stuff of the 20th century.
There are good Labour MP's that would be able to mount serious opposition to the government but they will never get the opportunity. I think that the Labour party has now been consigned to never be in power because, as popular as it might well be in some quarters, it's current philosophy is an anathema to the majority of people in this country. By now the Labour party should be out of sight in the polls. But they are behind in many of them. Against what ffs? The weakest Tory party in history with splits all over the place. However, even JRM would back Theresa May, even if she stood on her head farted the European anthem, rather than vote against her in a commons no confidence motion.
This is not good for British politics and the Labour moderates should seriously think about splitting away.
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The so-called divorce bill includes what the UK owes plus the transition period. If the transition period is extended then they'll pay more. If the UK leave with no deal the fee for the transition period would not be paid.
Whilst the Uk enjoy the benefits of the SM they still comply with SM rules.
UGH.
So the answer is, no, you cannot give any specific examples then?
Read those aspersions back to yourself, then have a word with yourself.
OK. You are quite right. There were no lies told by the Remain side at all.
Strange but I must have completely missed the Emergency Brexit Budget full of massive tax rises.
That was stated by G Osborne who like his mate Cameron
fxxxed off when the going got tough.
That was not a prediction. He said it would happen.
True but you would think he would try to mitigate this disaster
Here you have your answer:
And there is free movement of Union citizens at all land borders(Gibraltar and Ireland).
Wrong. I can give plenty but why bother when people are not prepared to think for themselves.
All this does is to illustrate how Brexit has divided our country. That was one reason why I voted to remain.
I got to ten minutes and gave up. JRM is a complete fraud, either he has no idea what he's talking about or lies about everything, probably both. O'Brien should have insisted about the £39bn which he himself got wrong.
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