You'd think so, wouldn't you.
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Exactly.Struggling to care much about this anymore.
Roll on the Crossaint famine and impending socialist revolution.
Roll on the Crossaint famine and impending socialist revolution.
"Representative democracy"
Corbyn saying May should rule out “no deal” before talking.
Doesn’t he realise the EU set the deadline date, not the British Government, so how can May possibly agree it won’t happen?
Posturing & more BS, basically.
Just get round the table now and act like grown ups ffs. No time for stalling
Doesn’t he realise the EU set the deadline date, not the British Government, so how can May possibly agree it won’t happen?
Posturing & more BS, basically.
Just get round the table now and act like grown ups ffs. No time for stalling
What the feck are you talking about?
“Under domestic law, extending article 50 would require changes to the March 29 exit date set in the EU Withdrawal Act. As a matter of EU law, the text of article 50 states that the UK cannot unilaterally extend the two-year negotiation period. Nor can it “demand” an extension. It can only “ask for” one.”
Ah, so we can ask for an extension these days. The EU should tell us to feck off in that case.
As far as I understand the issue now:
If things continue as it is, there will be a no-deal brexit.
The people in parliment won't want that, so they'll ask for a extension at the very least to decide between any sort of deal or no deal. For the EU to accept an extension they'll want a referendum where one option is to revoke article 50 and cancel brexit.
So it's likely to either be a no-deal brexit or a referendum between 2+ options where one is revoking article 50. Due to the time left and how people comment around how parliment looks at it there will likely be a second referendum when someone finds the balls to call it like it is.
If things continue as it is, there will be a no-deal brexit.
The people in parliment won't want that, so they'll ask for a extension at the very least to decide between any sort of deal or no deal. For the EU to accept an extension they'll want a referendum where one option is to revoke article 50 and cancel brexit.
So it's likely to either be a no-deal brexit or a referendum between 2+ options where one is revoking article 50. Due to the time left and how people comment around how parliment looks at it there will likely be a second referendum when someone finds the balls to call it like it is.
May has had years to get them round the table. She instead froze them out and waited until her deal was humiliated in the vote, and now with weeks left invites them for talks.
Desperately hope you're right!
Exactly. It's a desperate last resort & mere window-dressing, yet it'll be presented as selflessness.
If you cast your mind back,less than a month ago, Corbyn was asking that the discussion in the commons was carried out before the Christmas break.
The whole process has been in the hands of the government, and yet you think Corbyn has been stalling?
I see she's met with opposition party leaders tonight, making out that she's some sort of saviour prepared to do whatever is in the nation's best interests. She's had two fecking years to consult other parties and try and reach a consensus with them. Instead she's spent that time trying to conjure a deal that can placate the No Deal supporting extremists in her own party.
Charming people.
Nope .She just couldn't find a deal better than Remain.
Corbyn is a dickwad who like shit stirring with no strong opinions of his own.
It's not even talks, she has no intention of changing anything she's just creating another false progress so she can take her deal unchanged back to parlaiment and claim this is it there's nothing else that will pass.
Maybe with some promises on domestic policy to win them over, we all know the lib dems like that and some threats that she'll go forward with no deal if they don't buckle.
There's a very pragmatic way forward, request the temp extension offered to form a proper cross-party mechanism not overseen by May and then if we have something that will pass get the full extension to negotiate it.
Which shows how much politics she's playing. Won't be clear with parliament or her country because it's bad optics but will instruct her lackey to calm business leaders.
She inherited an outright majority from Cameron, so, -in theory- she didn’t need anyone else.
Obviously the further election she called backfired & didn’t strengthen her position but she still had the DUP for her majority.
Clear case of underestimating Hard Brexiteers in her own party, despite the very clear warnings.
So yes, could have been handled better by May, no doubting that at all.
Politics is still very tribal in this country unfortunately and therefore it isn’t usual to see Labour/Conservative cooperation.
So it wouldn’t be deemed “natural” for May to reach out to Corbyn before she ends up shit creek would it? We’d think May was weird or just well, up shit creek or something.
The comments on political threads on this forum are testament to the very tribal nature of politics in this country...& a lot of it is BS really.
It’s not like supporting a football team. No party has a monopoly on good ideas. I’m sure if they REALLY REALLY wanted to, Labour and Conservatives could find workable, compromise solutions on quite a lot of policies actually.
Personally, it’s something I’d like to see more of in British politics.
If Proportional Representation ever came in, you may find the two main parties have to work together in a so-called Grand Coalition. It would save a lot of the “vote in, vote out, vote in, vote out” changeabilty / “rip it up & start again” nature of policy. It would also help to avoid left/right extremes in policy. Not a bad thing imo. Maybe a bit bland for some. But I’d take it.
They can't possibly think the current Britain that is seriously contemplating a no deal brexit will completely change it's mind within 3 months though? If the extension was 5 years I could see the point... but 3 months?
How much clearer could she have been that this was the only deal? How can they have confidence in her to secure a better deal when she categorically ruled out negotiating another one 24 hours ago? Do her words not matter?
Saw 'call me dave' interviewed on the news. Said he didnt regret his decision to call ref, then ran off. Seem familiar?
I wish we all lived in a world where the DUP were as philanthropic as that.
I'd hoped that after 2 years in the limelight as part of the government that most people in Britain would have a fair idea by now what the DUP are all about.
This post sums them up well, they're a bunch of self serving headbangers.
Yes, it's odd that the strongly pro-EU Liberal Democrats were prepared to begin conversations with no pre-conditions, as were the strongly pro-EU SNP. It is just posturing by Corbyn, and it will be widely recognised as such.
The reality is that the full range of options, all the way from no deal through to no Brexit, have their supporters, but no single position can command anything approaching a majority. There will sooner or later have to be compromises or, failing that, a second referendum (I don't much like this idea, but I can see it transpiring). The alternative would be a no deal Brexit by default.
How would No Deal get taken off the table exactly?
The only way to guarantee that is to agree some deal before 29th March. And the only way to do that is cross-party conversations.
I think the sensible option right now is to revoke Article 50, giving the parties time to create a reasonable Brexit path, something the government should've done over 2 years ago.
My hope is that the UK ask the EU for an extension, which is only granted on the condition of the UK holding a public vote (of some sort, maybe a second referendum) which ends up cancelling the whole thing.
The only way to guarantee that is to agree some deal before 29th March. And the only way to do that is cross-party conversations.
I think the sensible option right now is to revoke Article 50, giving the parties time to create a reasonable Brexit path, something the government should've done over 2 years ago.
My hope is that the UK ask the EU for an extension, which is only granted on the condition of the UK holding a public vote (of some sort, maybe a second referendum) which ends up cancelling the whole thing.
He saw a pig's head and had to run off to insert himself into it. Priorities.
Allegedly.
High stakes games going on with little transparency for us to know what is likely to happen. If a delay to exit is requested the EU would presumably have conditions e.g. a second referendum as I doubt they would give one just to allow May to feck around some more.
Or annual general elections.
Most British people are either unaware or underestimate the crimes of the British Empire. British culture in general tries to sell this white washed myth of the empire that was an unambiguous force for good.
The Uk set the deadline by activating article 50. It was also a British bloke who drafted article 50 in the first place.
It's similar reasons the English have never really taken to the EU. It's fine to tell the conquered dominions that we are stronger together and should be closer. It's something else when these thoughts come from somewhere else.
I think on some subconscious level England can't help perceive the EU as some kind of foreign subversive invader than as the alliance of equals that they are actually a self chosen part of.
What a mess. The UK is fecked.
Somewhere in this thread is a video in a pub where people are getting interviewed about Brexit, that idiot Farage was there and they asked some guy his thoughts and he started prattling on about there being millions in the British Empire and that after Brexit we would control the Empire again or words to that effect, I watched it with disbelief how could anyone be so stupid to make such a comment, did he even consider what the countries that used to be a part of the Empire would say to that, its the same with these comments that after the second world war we came back but these people dont understand that the generation back then had, had two world wars in around a twenty five year period and these people were made of sterner stuff than those today because of that.
Oh yeah, the vote amplified any such feelings beyond boiling point. We saw people who may never normally would have had a strong view on the EU come out and be firmly on one side of the fence - I'd include myself in this category. There was a rumble of discontent, though the level of such discontent could be based on where you live and the local feeling of course, but I don't feel like we were on the verge of any impending meltdown if the referendum hadn't of been called. If anything we needed extra time so we could have had a government that could have laid out a plan in the event of the leave vote, or least competent enough to have provided the public with a balanced argument. We may have actually had a chance of providing a deal which works for everyone instead of this clusterfeck we find ourselves in now.
I don't think anyone, with any degree of intelligence, is unaware of the nature of the DUP.
The pissing contest between them and Sinn Fein has been going on since the forever, I'm not entirely convinced that they aren't pro gay marriage just because DUP won the coin toss to be against it. I feel like the middle ground reasonable people of both sides, gave us peace, but polarized the voter base for each side for the perceived betrayal, which shows how mental our place is that the UUP and SDLP are "reasonable".
I was quite buoyed by the rise of the Alliance party but then they had to go a take down that flag nobody noticed was there and now, we're back to square negative one.
At this point in my life I'm pro united Ireland just so none of these cnuts would really matter any more.
This is true. This is a whipped up mess. If you look at the level of vitriol there is out there now you would think that before the referendum the issue of membership of the EU would have been on every TV documentary every news bulletin, people getting in fist fights in pubs, civil unrest. That was never the case. What you had was a bunch of Eurosceptics that were a boil on the arse of the Tory party and Cameron tried to lance it. The ruse backfired because millions of disenfranchised people used the Referendum to vent all of their frustrations. Not just with this government but with successive governments.
They will also expect the vote to be honoured. Not only that but they will also expect their lot to change manifestly for the better (as promised!).
Anything less will result in major civil unrest in the short term and when that is calmed, total disillusionment with all future governments of whatever stripe.
The question should never have been asked.
It was pretty good for us.
Whatever happened to Breakfast Means Breakfast?