Looks like an episode of The thick of it. May as Nicola Murray although she was labour I think.
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Vote of no confidence will probably be defeated and then May has 3 days to present a new plan I think.
Feck knows what that will be.
No deal on schedule is still possible.
A delay is possible but not easy
If there is a delay a renegotiation is possible but the EU will only agree to the same deal or one that includes a customs union and the like which will enrage Brexiteers.
If there is a delay a second referendum is possible
A revocation of A50 is possible but not likley
A general election is possible but not likely
So basically anything can happen at this stage
May will likely survive the no confidence vote when it's clear after her Brexit plan was shot down that the majority of MPs have lost confidence in the Government. All the Tories who voted against her deal should vote in favour of no confidence but they won't because they won't risk losing their cushy number in a general election if they don't have to.
What a disaster.
What happens now, new referendum?
Extra time.
They will postpone everything for the summer and everyone will keep fumbling with the ball.
What if the UK revokes article 50, and the next day after the EU accepts the revocation, the UK triggers again article 50? There you have it, two more years of negotiations!
Are you a member of the Tory party?
A better analogue is a divorce. You are asking for the divorce and you wonder why the other party is making it difficult for you in the settlement.
May will win the VONC, all of the conjecture around no deal i'm afraid isn't warranted, I strongly doubt it will be no deal but the course is now set. Any other result at this point is a very big risk. A general election will happen after the fact. The EU aren't exactly riding high right now.
VONC won't get up I very much doubt but I fear incompetence will continue until we fall out of Europe with no deal because nobody wants to be the one to push for a second referendum.
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Sunderland till I die?
I strongly agree that the incompetence will continue but I do disagree with the second referendum, not the least because I think it will simply result in another leave win. I think people are very unclear about this scenario, it's gone past the pale.
A second referendum could produce a stupid result again but I think it probably won't. A simple revocation of A50 (and we never speak of it again) is my preference.
Huh? There is no legal reason there can't be another referendum and the best possible deal has already been negotiated.
The majority of Labour voters are stupidly Brexiteers so he's in an impossible position.
Not that he's handling it very well, but he can't do much either way.
So what party is majority Remain?
None of them.
The members are but the constituents aren't/weren't in the election.
Therefore they're representing people that don't align with their own views whilst simultaneously having to represent the smaller mass of people that do agree with them.
Who says the people that voted out didn't know what they were voting for? It sounds pretty clear to me. Here's the con. They never voted for a deal. A deal was never mentioned. So you get a remainer doing negotiations? You know what? Let's have another vote....cause we don't want a bad deal....
When we were brought into the EU, were the public told everything? Was everyone who voted informed? Did it go as planned? Let me ask you, when people were sold the idea were you told the borders would be open? I don't think people can understand the damage that's been done in various European countries. Research the damage.
No one says it would be easy. You DO need someone who can negotiate deals because the EU will not simply let us walk away. This is a project that's been planned before many people were even born. I don't think you can negotiate with them. What we're seeing is spin.
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If they wanted to play hardball the 2 options would be "go away" and "get lost".
The UK has been negotiating and making it hard for the EU for 40 years now. It's a bad marriage.
Labour and Lib Dem (and SNP). But about a third of Labour supporters are leave-rs, and apparently so are a fair few of their seats.
Theresa May is Martin Bain on transfer deadline day.
I dont think the bolded bit is true.
The article below suggests 65% of Labour supporters voted Remain. Thats almost 2:1. Lib Dems and Greens also majority remain.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted
Incredible to think that if Cameron hadn't of initiated the referendum in the first place, life would have carried on as normal and barely anyone would have noticed.
That spineless little git should have been forced to stay and see the shit storm he created through.
Nah, that analogy doesn't work. It's more like you purposely crashed your car into someone and then expect them to fix it and pay for the costs for you. "Come on you dick, I caused this mess, you should fix it!"
I don’t get this idea that the EU have played a blinder in this process. What they have been is clear in their objectives, united and led by a serious negotiator in Barnier, unlike the shambolic, divided May cabinet with David “thick as mince” Davis as Brexit Secretary.
As for the Brexiteers, Farage was still trying to play the German car makers card on the BBC last night (the threat of no deal will make them desperate apparently) while Davis was saying we should go back to renegotiate (having done such a great job himself). I’d like to think these people have zero credibility now but sadly they still seem to have an audience.
As for the Brexiteers, Farage was still trying to play the German car makers card on the BBC last night (the threat of no deal will make them desperate apparently) while Davis was saying we should go back to renegotiate (having done such a great job himself). I’d like to think these people have zero credibility now but sadly they still seem to have an audience.
Nope. There is widescale discontent in the UK. The referendum saw an expression of that rightly or wrongly aimed at membership of the EU. That discontent would have remained, referendum or not, and would have manifested itself in some way and at some point.
What is this "normal" life you speak of?
Contrary to this, everyone I know that voted remain would remain again in a heartbeat. I know several leave voters who would now remain and none that would accept no deal.
And she can't get Boris Rodwell off the books!
Yeah that's probably most likely true as well actually. I don't know of any remainers that have changed their mind to leave. Plenty that are fed up and want it over and done with, however if given the option to reverse the decision they definitely would.
Drunk on Bombardier
You have to push through the process and explore every option. Trying a general election, pushing for an extension of Article 50 ect. Just ploughing ahead with a People's Vote is dangerous, if handled incorrectly, will be an even bigger failure. No way remain beats a 'Tell Them Again' campaign if they're too hasty.
To be honest, I woke up this morning and I've no idea how this can work now.
At the end of today he's exhausted the process
If he does not switch to supporting a second ref I wouldn't be surprised to see him face a leadership challenge and given the support for a second ref in the labour membership I think he would either be forced to switch policy or he might loose
I think the above post sums up the current problems we have at Westminster.
Twats to the left, twats to the right, with a sprinkling of winkers making up the minor parties.
Now I honestly believe that May and the rest of them had no intention of leaving The EU. What we have seen is May putting forward a deal that she knew from the off would get rejected.
So what is on offer now? Going back and negotiating again? Well how many times has May and Barnier said that this is the best that can be done and that the deal is not open for re negotiation? So no new negotiations and apparently no one or very few MP’s want a no deal Brexit. So is a no deal Brexit a possibility? I would say no because that won’t get through parliament, article thirty will be put back and an impass in parliament will result in yet another referendum, with question do you want to leave with no deal or remain?
The result will be an overwhelming majority to remain. A waste of two and a half years millions spent on the farce and we the public have been taken for a laughing stock.
"Will you be taking the lead at any stage in this mess you made?"
"No chance mate"
Listening to John McDonald on the radio this morning, we could be another 2-weeks from anything happening.... I can't remember why, I've a very achy head today...
The fact she's still not reaching out to leaders of all opposition parties is a fecking disgrace.
Her own cabinet have told her its necessary and told her indicative votes are necessary but here we are with her sticking to her red lines and maintaining this is only a Tory party issue.
Her own cabinet have told her its necessary and told her indicative votes are necessary but here we are with her sticking to her red lines and maintaining this is only a Tory party issue.
He took what was decidedly a fringe Tory party issue and forced the rest of us to deal with the fallout. And then, when he fecked that up he decided to cower and hide himself away.
It's 100% his fault.
Why oh why must we see the same shit from people like Boris, David Davis, Farage, JRM again claiming to know every solution when it just isn’t possible. Had JRM saying this morning that people didn’t vote for a deal yet one of Vote Leaves main pledges was to negotiate a better deal. Are there any fact checkers in the media to put these people right?
Trumpism at its best.
Trumpism at its best.