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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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ThierryHenry said:
If the no confidence deal fails (which it will), then is the Labour strategy definitely to call for a second referendum? Or is that not confirmed by anyone particularly senior/official?
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The motion was as follows:

Should Parliament vote down a Tory Brexit deal or the talks end in no-deal, Conference believes this would constitute a loss of confidence in the Government. In these circumstances, the best outcome for the country is an immediate General Election that can sweep the Tories from power. If we cannot get a general election Labour must support all options remaining on the table, including campaigning for a public vote. If the Government is confident in negotiating a deal that working people, our economy and communities will benefit from they should not be afraid to put that deal to the public.

There's very little wiggle room only on the timing. They may hold out for the next round of failure but at some point soon they'll need to call for an extension to allow for a referendum to happen. I'd give it 3 weeks before Corbyn faces a leadership challenge if one isn't put forward.

The talk on this seems to suggest a referendum will easily get through parliament but i doubt it will. I can see a significant number of Labour rebels going against it.
 
Ubik said:


Yeah me neither.
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That tosser Burgon said similar on the BBC.

I guess that allows them to give the impression that they’re trying to do something, without ever actually having to come close to voicing a difficult opinion? C*nts.
 
golden_blunder said:
Had to clarify what would happen in the event of a no deal brexit - can People in the UK still play Euromillions or not!?
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Surely she'd have to prepare for that before any vote to begin with?

I thought it was done so she can still be PM a bit longer, before fear mongering as she pushes it closer to the exit deadline.
 
The fact that Corbyn can't win a vote of no confidence in a government this bad, means that he's the one who needs to resign more than May.
 
vidic blood & sand said:
Nonsense.

At the time the discussions were about whether or not a free trade deal was possible while rejecting the other principles.
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Of course there will be a trade deal at some point, that's not the point. It's the leaving with nothing, it's going to take time to negotiate a trade deal but as it is if the UK leave in March they'll be on WTO terms in April and will be out of all agreements, and the country grinding to a halt which I know you still think is scaremongering.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Of course there will be a trade deal at some point, that's not the point. It's the leaving with nothing, it's going to take time to negotiate a trade deal but as it is if the UK leave in March they'll be on WTO terms in April and will be out of all agreements, and the country grinding to a halt which I know you still think is scaremongering.
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Year or even decades. Much longer with this shower of clueless shit conducting negotiations.
 
sullydnl said:
What was Ramsay Macdonald's deal?
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It was over an amendment put forward by the Liberal Party to set up a select committee to investigate a government decision to drop criminal proceedings against the editor of the Communist newspaper Workers Weekly, which had recently published an article encouraging the armed forces to mutiny.

After the government lost by 364 votes to 198, the prime minister declared the issue a matter of confidence and obtained a dissolution of the Commons the following day, which led to a general election that Labour lost.

Source: Sky News

https://news.sky.com/story/may-tops-list-of-biggest-government-defeats-11608104
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Of course there will be a trade deal at some point, that's not the point. It's the leaving with nothing, it's going to take time to negotiate a trade deal but as it is if the UK leave in March they'll be on WTO terms in April and will be out of all agreements, and the country grinding to a halt which I know you still think is scaremongering.
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I was talking to the other guy about the original scenario of voting to leave the EU and being out of everything, then seeking a trade deal. This never happened.
It took six months for May to explain what her Brexit plan was in Jan 2017 (a bold speech). Then she sought a greater majority in the election to strengthen her position, then after that capitulated to what we have now.
The fact is, no deal has never been an option, and the EU knew the government never had the stomach for it. So we have this almighty clusterfeck. The EU have played this masterfully.
 
vidic blood & sand said:
I was talking to the other guy about the original scenario of voting to leave the EU and being out of everything, then seeking a trade deal. This never happened.
It took six months for May to explain what her Brexit plan was in Jan 2017 (a bold speech). Then she sought a greater majority in the election to strengthen her position, then after that capitulated to what we have now.
The fact is, no deal has never been an option, and the EU knew the government never had the stomach for it. So we have this almighty clusterfeck. The EU have played this masterfully.
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The EU didn't play anything, no deal is de facto the primary option. It was the only guarantee, which some of us mentioned, the issue is that british politicians did their best to pretend that it wasn't the case, they thought that german manufacturers and french farmers would put pressure on their respective governments.
 
Vernon Bogdanor, the politics professor and constitutional expert, has told Sky News that he thinks tonight’s vote make a no-deal Brexit more likely than a second referendum. He pointed out that the Commons has already passed legislation saying the UK will be leaving the EU on 29 March. Holding a second referendum would be very difficult, he said, because the government would have to pass legislation, and Brexiters would “fight it tooth and nail”. He went on:

There are about 40 odd sitting days left till March 29. If no other statute is passed, we leave without a deal. I take the view ... that the vote tonight makes a no-deal departure more likely than a second referendum.

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DavidDeSchmikes said:
Vernon Bogdanor, the politics professor and constitutional expert, has told Sky News that he thinks tonight’s vote make a no-deal Brexit more likely than a second referendum. He pointed out that the Commons has already passed legislation saying the UK will be leaving the EU on 29 March. Holding a second referendum would be very difficult, he said, because the government would have to pass legislation, and Brexiters would “fight it tooth and nail”. He went on:

There are about 40 odd sitting days left till March 29. If no other statute is passed, we leave without a deal. I take the view ... that the vote tonight makes a no-deal departure more likely than a second referendum.

Source: Guardian
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They would fight it tooth and nail, but you'd imagine that if May proposed a second referendum she'd have enough support from opposition MPs to win the vote.
 
vidic blood & sand said:
I was talking to the other guy about the original scenario of voting to leave the EU and being out of everything, then seeking a trade deal. This never happened.
It took six months for May to explain what her Brexit plan was in Jan 2017 (a bold speech). Then she sought a greater majority in the election to strengthen her position, then after that capitulated to what we have now.
The fact is, no deal has never been an option, and the EU knew the government never had the stomach for it. So we have this almighty clusterfeck. The EU have played this masterfully.
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That's what I'm saying, to leave completely and then try to get a trade deal would be catastrophic but even then the Uk still had to untangle itself from the EU which is the purpose of the withdrawal agreement and the transition to negotiate a trade deal without falling off the proverbial cliff.

No deal is not off the table yet, it could even still happen by accident. The EU are expecting either cancellation or no deal.
 
JPRouve said:
The EU didn't play anything, no deal is de facto the primary option. It was the only guarantee, which some of us mentioned, the issue is that british politicians did their best to pretend that it wasn't the case, they thought that german manufacturers and french farmers would put pressure on their respective governments.
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The EU sat back and watched as the government became more and more divisive, and quickly saw that we would be the ones grovelling to them for a trade deal. The trade deal became more important than leaving, which set the tone for how the process would play out.

It's like saying to a person who's come to buy your car, " I must sell this car at any price".
 
vidic blood & sand said:
The EU sat back and watched as the government became more and more divisive, and quickly saw that we would be the ones grovelling to them for a trade deal. The trade deal became more important than leaving, which set the tone for how the process would play out.

It's like saying to a person who's come to buy your car, " I must sell this car at any price".
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The onus was never on the EU to do anything. We brought this about and it was upto us to try and negotiate a deal, the EU were only ever going to say yes or no.
 
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