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Unless you expect the EU to literally govern the UK, they weren't going to decide for the UK. The only issue here is that the UK wants contradictory things because they are totally unable to find a consensus, the EU didn't create that situation it's a british issue and it's the issue that created the referendum and also led to a narrow brexit result. As a nation you don't have a clue about what you want to do with yourself.
For that reason earlier in this thread I suggested that the UK should only trigger art.50 when they are ready but selfish politicians decided to rush it in fear of damaging their personal careers.
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I have no idea what's going on with this shitshow.
How likely is it that we just cancel Brexit and stay in the EU?
How likely is it that we just cancel Brexit and stay in the EU?
1 in 4 chance I'd say. The other 3 options being a second referendum, general election or no deal.
It would cause absolute uproar across the country. Then again, so would almost every other avenue. It really is Pandora's box.
Right, well I say we all just get drunk because I’m completely out of ideas
Interesting. What's the sentiment in the UK regarding a second referendum? Would remain win or margin widen for leave?
The mental gymnastics to blame the EU is impressive.
I see Mrs May is wearing the Elizabeth I/Margaret Thatcher necklace again; unfortunately, the only fundamental thing she has in common with them is vanity.
That's right. The EU hasn't shown any weakness whatsoever in the whole process because they are totally united in what they want, where as we are completely divided.
They've played it out perfectly.
One of four options:
- Hard Brexit, as in UK leaving without a deal. UK gets fecked essentially.
- renegotiation. EU has no intention on doing so.
- getting some extra time for Brexit. EU will do so only if UK makes an another referendum.
- UK finds its lost senses, and decides to stay in EU.
To be fair to her, it must be exhausting being quite so shit. I don’t think I could manage it personally
I'm not blaming the EU in all this, they're simply protecting their own interests.
If they have a second referendum they must let 16 year old votes for it like the Scottish referendum. I’m still worried about a stalemate and then a no deal.
It's incredible the absolute shitshow this country has been put through by the Tory party in recent years, and yet if there were a general election tomorrow I wouldn't be confident of a Labour win.
Ah, sorry, misunderstood you there.
There's no guarantee either way, but a second referendum would open a whole new can of worms. Safe to say the country will remain divided through any outcome.
*There'd be media-wide calls of 'TREASON!' & calls for mass resignations if any but the party of the establishment were in power.
*Seeing as just about every election appears subject to manipulation these days, we shouldn't be surprised.
Had the latest forecast through from the financial markets team at the bank I deal with at work. They now have it at 55% no brexit, 5% no deal, 40% transitional withdrawal deal of some kind.
That is an amicable solution. Anything else, and it is either a no-deal or an agreement that disadvantages the UK even more. You can not leave the EU and hope that you will get the same benefits as when you were a member. That level or expectation is rather childish.
Where's Nigel Farage these days?
5% No deal? that's the default if parliament can't sort themselves out. They think parliament is going to sort themselves out? Wow!
I am a Corbyn supporter, but his decision to table a no confidence motion is baffling to me. There is no way on earth that he is going to win. The Tories won't oust themselves and the DUP will clearly support the Tories. I think he has well and truly got this wrong.
She put him up to it; he had to.
Please can we stop allowing Barry Gardiner on TV?
They didn't play anything. They did their jobs to minimise the damage and at the same time tried to accomodate as many of Britains requirements.
If they had wanted to play hardball there would have been no deal on offer. Stay or leave would have been the 2 options.
I support votes for 16 year olds in general. The immature and the idiots probably won't vote anyway, but for those that think about the world and consider things seriously I think it would be a good thing.
The reaction of the European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker ;full statement:
"I take note with regret of the outcome of the vote in the House of Commons this evening. On the EU side, the process of ratification of the withdrawal agreement continues.
The withdrawal agreement is a fair compromise and the best possible deal. It reduces the damage caused by Brexit for citizens and businesses across Europe. It is the only way to ensure an orderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union.
The European commission and, notably, our chief negotiator Michel Barnier [have]has invested enormous time and effort to negotiate the withdrawal agreement. We have shown creativity and flexibility throughout. I, together with president Tusk, have demonstrated goodwill again by offering additional clarifications and reassurances in an exchange of letters with Prime Minister May earlier this week.
The risk of a disorderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom has increased with this evening’s vote. While we do not want this to happen, the European commission will continue its contingency work to help ensure the EU is fully prepared.
I urge the United Kingdom to clarify its intentions as soon as possible. Time is almost up."
"I take note with regret of the outcome of the vote in the House of Commons this evening. On the EU side, the process of ratification of the withdrawal agreement continues.
The withdrawal agreement is a fair compromise and the best possible deal. It reduces the damage caused by Brexit for citizens and businesses across Europe. It is the only way to ensure an orderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union.
The European commission and, notably, our chief negotiator Michel Barnier [have]has invested enormous time and effort to negotiate the withdrawal agreement. We have shown creativity and flexibility throughout. I, together with president Tusk, have demonstrated goodwill again by offering additional clarifications and reassurances in an exchange of letters with Prime Minister May earlier this week.
The risk of a disorderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom has increased with this evening’s vote. While we do not want this to happen, the European commission will continue its contingency work to help ensure the EU is fully prepared.
I urge the United Kingdom to clarify its intentions as soon as possible. Time is almost up."
They just think the appetite for no deal is so low that even a revocation of article 50 without a referendum is more likely. I don't know how they came to that conclusion!
Is this a troll attempt? How does one arrive at such a bad conclusion?
The appetite may be low for no deal but someone has got to take the decision to revoke A50 which is the most sensible solution , will that be May or a hard Brexit replacement of May or even Corbyn, I don't see it.
For the love of God, why doesn't Corbyn support a second referendum? What is wrong with everyone? It's so obvious that a second, informed referendum would not pass. And the reason that is so, is because this time the people would be informed, not lied to and understand what it is they're voting for.
It's such a simple platform to run on. Labour could win tomorrow if they switched to that track.
I just don't get it.
It's such a simple platform to run on. Labour could win tomorrow if they switched to that track.
I just don't get it.
I like those odds!
It's not the EU who held a referendum which they ended up losing, it's not the EU who voted leave, it's not the EU who negotiated a deal it couldn't even remotely get it's own party behind. The truth doesn't lie in the middle here. Every bad thing that happened and will happen to the UK regarding Brexit is 100% their own voters and politicians fault.
I wouldn't be so sure on remain winning. I'm massively in favour of remaining, however the amount of people I hear talking about the subject, the majority want us to leave and get it done now.
Yes. Yes it is.
Wonderful job she did.
As someone without a deep understanding of this, what realistically happens now? Have always felt we're trudging towards a shambolic second referendum but is that even possible/legal?