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I wish he would call for a second referendum.
No confidence vote is going to be a waste of time.
Ballpark, probably not accurate, and, let's face it, I've been drinking. However, in some areas, Labour have only gained power by the collapse of UKIP. There is an election-winning swing to The Tories if they take the Liberal Democrat position, as much as I would fecking love them to. I'm really not in a position to offer a good fight right now, but I've a memory of this particular edition of Today in Focus, which illustrated Labour's not-so-black-and-white dilemma.
The maths are much more complicated than I originally stated. My bad, but the point I was trying to illustrate with them was the complexity of the situation.
It would be easier to woo so many people by taking a different position, but it's not that easy, calling Corbyn incompetent is not seeing the actual picture.
In my opinion, they've played it exactly how they had to, to stand any chance of ever gaining power and changing this country for the good, and in more significant ways than EU membership.
So you saying majority of electorate want a no deal scenario?
I hope I am, because it's not what I want. In the end of the day, the EU know it's a bad deal, but when the're negotiating with a Parliament that is 75% in favour of remaining in the EU, and will not accept a no deal, they can start negotiations offering very little, and adjust it marginally in order to mostly get they want until the UK decides in the future to rejoin.
This whole scenario shows just how out of touch Parliament is with the electorate.
It's time to go, Robbie, it's time to fecking go now. It is not acceptable any more
If you don't explore every avenue, then you'll be seen as guilty of failing 'the will of the people'. Everything must be tried.
You guys really fecked up, didn't you 
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Stop pretending he can negotiate a deal which passes his 6 tests and make a definitive stance as to what labours policy is going to be in respect of backing or not a second referendum and what they would stand on if he could force a ge.
So you think Corbyn's really a Remainer just supporting Brexit to get into power? Strange, I think he's really a Brexiter that lied about being a Remainer before the referendum because he knew his activist base were mostly Remainers. Still, at least we're agreed he's a power-seeking liar, so as to What should he do? I suggest telling the fecking truth would be a good start.
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The referendum was not about trying to seek a deal if leave won, which is why Cameron resigned. It was May who introduced the desire for a deal.
Cameron was very clear what remain and leave meant, and was also very clear that he thought the UK was better off in a REFORMED EU.
If the big corporates and banks, along with Parliament have no desire to leave the EU, why offer a referendum?
It was the rate at which euro scepticism is growing that forced Cameron to include a referendum in order to win a majority government. Then when the vote went against him he resigned because he understood that the vote meant "out of everything, but get a trade deal if we can". Parliament is now overruling this, and we are now in a situation where Parliament are trying to tell us that no one really knew what we were actually voting for.
Complete shitstorm by the Torries.
Cameron should be impaled.
Cameron should be impaled.
If the no confidence deal fails (which it will), then is the Labour strategy definitely to call for a second referendum? Or is that not confirmed by anyone particularly senior/official?
In corbyns closing remarks he sounded more likley to call for a Norway style deal than s 2nd ref... "Accept the result... Will of the people etc"...
But officially no policy other than force a general election... Which as you say he will fail to do tomorrow
The shadow business secretary was asked that very question by Andrew Neil after tonight’s vote and she refused to give a straight answer.
In times like this, its always worth remembering...
This is all David Cameron's fault.
This is all David Cameron's fault.
You guys really fecked up, didn't you
There's plenty more of that to come, stay tuned.
How is possible that politicians from 27 different countries, cultures, languages, INTERESTS, etc can be more united, go as a block and get their shit together than 1 party from 1 country?
Genuinely think Corbyn is playing the game. I could see him switching his stance on a second referendum in an instant if he became PM.
Been a shit show for the last decade. Yet many continue to vote for them.
Been a shit show for the last decade. Yet many continue to vote for them.
You didn’t answer the question.
A man with a face you just wouldn't stop slapping.
He also ignored the question I asked him, to which I would appreciate a response.
Nonsense. I guess we’ll know by this time tomorrow.
That said, a second referendum would be an utter disaster.
Yes I did. The original vote was "out of everything", then seek a trade deal if possible.
The discussions here while leading up to the referendum were all bout whether or not the UK could achieve a trade deal if we voted out. Remember?
The arguments were all about what incentive the EU would have if we left. The reality now is all about what percentage of leaving is possible.
Why?
Guessing once significant renegotiation is ruled out by the EU parliament will pivot to debating withdrawing article 50 or another referendum.
May will have to go and likely be a GE too.
May will have to go and likely be a GE too.
Problem is they are taking the country with them.
Coming next: A referendum to leave NATO.
Hey, why not? Another 350 million per week for NHS would be brilliant!
Hey, why not? Another 350 million per week for NHS would be brilliant!
The EU won't renegotiate but it's only a soft brexit that can pass parliament. Just bin the whole thing ffs!
The prime minister’s spokesman told journalists:
We want to identify what would be required to secure the backing of the House consistent with what we believe to be the result of the referendum.
We want to leave with a deal and we want to work with others who share that.
The spokesman declined to be drawn on whether the talks would include Jeremy Corbyn. On this point he said:
Let’s not pre-empt talks before they have happened. We will look to engage widely with people we believe share our objectives.
We want to identify what would be required to secure the backing of the House consistent with what we believe to be the result of the referendum.
We want to leave with a deal and we want to work with others who share that.
The spokesman declined to be drawn on whether the talks would include Jeremy Corbyn. On this point he said:
Let’s not pre-empt talks before they have happened. We will look to engage widely with people we believe share our objectives.
That's pocket change. Imagine the 500 million per day we could save if we just leave Earth!
Because red unicorns are real while blue ones are not.
Can someone explain why she originally delayed the vote?
We’d have to have a referendum on that. Imagine it; those bloody aliens coming down here through our sky borders, living amongst us, taking our jobs. Earth morons would unite and vote for us to leave earth.
Meanwhile in the whitehouse, trump is picking a Twitter fight with the martians
So she could turn the charm on and either win people over to back her deal or at least massively reduce the size of the loss...
It’s not a question that the general public can, or should answer.
And what would the question be? A three-way vote, an unclear leave/remain vote? If no deal is on the ballot you leave the insane possibility that the British people could vote for economic disaster, and food and medicine shortages.
If a form of leave won a second vote, I think it would be an utter disaster. And I think some sort of leave campaign would be more likely to win. The leave campaign would;
1) Have even greater anti-establishment credentials, being able to claim that the politicians had betrayed the last vote.
2) Politicians and journalists have created even more of an anti-EU sentiment, with some of the nonsense around negotiation tactics, putting the blame on Tusk and Junker for the UK’s failings and lack of clarity.
3) Fall back on all of the lies they made at the time of the last vote. See how the likes of David Davis have spoken utter nonsense after leaving the cabinet, completely ignoring that he’s lead the majority of the negotiations.
Had to clarify what would happen in the event of a no deal brexit - can People in the UK still play Euromillions or not!?
No they weren't - but the withdrawal agreement is not a trade deal - it is a means of getting to the next stage to then start discussing a future deal from April onwards but that's now been rejected.