They could try ......
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They could try ......
Or more likley just insert a clause insisting the government takes all action in its power to avoid no deal... So they could force them later to revoke a50 but really pressuring the government to do it without explicitly forcing a vote on it
Thick as mince Davis spouting gibberish on Sky News
I may be wrong but I think while the Lords can propose an amendment to a bill, or reject it, the commons can eventually over-ride these and force their legislation through. Where it's interesting is that it takes a year or so to go through the procedures, and the deadline will pass meanwhile. So presumably a no-deal brexit would occur by default while this was going on?
Not sure... Commons could pass the motion though and thus force the government (I think)
Michael 'Wormtongue' Gove ladies and gentlemen.
When Mrs May loses the vote tonight, especially if by a large number of votes, she will announce either that, "I have tried my best to implement the outcome of the referendum, but Parliament wont back me, so I will ask the EU to cancel Art 50 and thereby cancel Brexit" or "I have tried my best..etc...etc... now the Government will prepare in earnest for a No Deal scenario on the 29th March". She will then (in either case) hunker down in No.10 and await the onslaught, daring each side to do their worst!
My money's on the former statement cancelling Brexit, because May knows no matter how ardent the Tory 'Leavers' are they will not split the party... the country however could be in for a torrid time in terms of day to day politics!
My money's on the former statement cancelling Brexit, because May knows no matter how ardent the Tory 'Leavers' are they will not split the party... the country however could be in for a torrid time in terms of day to day politics!
Yes, I think the commons could, this 'train' started off with the lords though, I was just meaning them.
Ah, ok, thanks for clarifying that for me.
The beauty of it is they are all on record. History will give them no hiding place.
The problem with that statement when it was first made by the PM was that she had no real idea of what Brexit was going to mean.
There is of course a third option which is to request a delay to Art 50 in order to give both sides the opportunity to improve the so called deal.
That doesn't mean that I think that the EU will play ball but it is nonetheless an option.
How this man isn't on the run for fear of his life, is beyond me.
I do wonder how that option works though... All 27 have to agree and presumably some might only want to extend a very short time in order to allow it not to interrupt the EU elections... Some may even think meh let them crash out then they will be more desperate for a deal on any terms we offer...
But whatever they think there will need to be some time allowed to let them form that opinion and pass the legistlation... It's a guess but I'd say at least a more month if not more.
As such we probably need to ask bloody quickly and I'm not sure the government will do that...more likley run the clock down as much as possible before trying the may deal on a second vote at which point it might be too late to even try to extend
Speaker has selected the amendments to be voted on
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The Speaker has provisionally selected four amendments.
- Amendment A (Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn's amendment) which rejects the deal because it fails to provide a permanent customs union and "strong single market deal", as set out in Labour's "six tests", rejects leaving with no deal and resolves to "pursue every option" that prevents either no deal or leaving on the basis of the current deal.
- Amendment K (SNP Westminster leader Ian Blackford's amendment) which declines to approve Theresa May's Brexit deal "in line with the views of the Scottish Parliament and the Welsh Assembly that they would be damaging for Scotland, Wales and the nations and regions of the UK as a whole", and calls for the UK's departure from the EU to be delayed until another withdrawal deal is agreed.
- Amendment B (Tory MP Sir Edward Leigh) which makes clear the Northern Ireland backstop is temporary and should remain temporary and calls for assurance that, if the backstop doesn't end by the close of 2021, this will be treated as a fundamental change of circumstances and would terminate the Withdrawal Treaty on 1 January 2022.
- Amendment F (Tory MP John Baron's amendment) gives the UK the right to terminate the Northern Ireland backstop without the agreement of the EU.
Cox says a lot without ever saying anything of substance at all.
The amateur dramatics are so terribly grating. He's so desperate to be seen as a great orator.
The amateur dramatics are so terribly grating. He's so desperate to be seen as a great orator.
You have to laugh, that’s hilarious.Until you remember it’s our fecking country.
Well it's going to be a bumpy ride if (when) she looses the vote tonight
Completely agree.
It was typical of populist Cameron, a PM of so little substance but so much hot air that virtually nothing was thought through or planned for that this shambles has occurred.
Cameron is certainly the first person to blame but don't forget the leaders of both main parties promptly pledged to carry on with the process and included the delivery of Brexit in their manifestos. I blame Cameron, May, Corbyn and all the people that voted for them. The last bit upsets some of the folk on here though.
100% this.
Indeed... I think all will fail which in fairness probably all are fairly happy with as it will result in a big defeat for may on her deal.
Davis and the rest of the Brexiteers bottling it and not running for the leadership when Cameron ran away.
If we had a PM who really wanted to exit the EU then I am sure that this mess would have been avoided.
However all they do is moan moan moan about May but they haven’t the balls to do the job themselves, B J ex foreign secretary ex everything and I think come the next election ex MP is one man who should take a good look at himself, all very good slagging PM May off but when shove came to shove he ran away from the leadership contest like a rat up a drain pipe, probably because he realised as well as his fellow MP’s that he wasn’t up to the big job.
As for Cameron, well I think he will go down in history as the worse Tory PM ever, and yes I include Ted Heath in that list. Cameron bribed the country to vote for him by offering the referendum and when the referendum result went against him then he scuttled off like a horrible little weasel that he is.
What a mess and I fear it will get a lot lot worse before it gets any better.
How though? The proposals of the hard Brexiteers were always even more unrealistic than May's.
I don't think whoever the PM would have been would have made much difference other than removing various red lines but removal of those red lines meant watering down Brexit.
May's biggest mistake was making out to parliament that her ridiculous claims would ever be agreedby the EU, (cake and eat it)
The Attorney General is currently speaking some sense at present in parliament and is explaining to parliament what would have been possible and is possible.
This should have been explained three years ago.
The withdrawal agreement will never have an agreed future trade deal at the time of exit.
And of course parliament is not listening and that includes the ardent Brexiters and Labour.
Nothing will ever be agreed. The EU are looking on and no matter what concessions they could give even if they were willing to do so will never satisfy sufficient numbers in parliament to agree to anything. Thus why bother.
We all know they need to just withdraw article 50, call a general election and deal with the gammon fallout.
It's not his fault the country is full of racists.
Yet again I have to point out that his only fault in this was his naivety in underestimating the stupidness of the British voting public.
What is amazing is that on the day of the vote the arguments have not moved on since the referendum. Nearly everyone is talking absolute codswallop.
Is it not his fault that he called the referendum to get himself reelected?
Should he not have known that such a complex issue as leaving the EU should never have went to a people's vote regardless of whether he underestimated their stupidity?
I had a debate with one of my colleagues who voted for Brexit the other day - and this whole idea of the British Empire being able to negotiate better deals without the EU.
The thought popped in my head that the British public haven't dealt with the collapse of the British Empire.
I think that's a conversation to be had another day, but I think it feeds into the notion of some of those who support Brexit.
You're right but the irony is that people want the complex issue to be put back to the people again to decide. Sorry but the MPs are no more informed than they were last time and nothing indicates that the public is either.
Absolutely, the Empire went a long time ago, long before most of these idiots were even born.
That's what they do. They roll the dice. Even Theresa May with her snap election, rolled the dice and ended up shooting herself in the foot.
The problem is that once you bring something to public vote, there's no going back, you have to keep going to the people to get the result you want. You can't ignore the will of the people, you can just... try to get them to see sense the next time you ask them.
But yeah, I don't know if, nearly 3 years later, remain would even win.
In which case, we would deserve everything we get.
I think this mentality is older then the empire itself. The spat between the Roman Catholic Church and Henry Tudor is basically Brexit all over again.
I don't even know if remain would be on the ballot... If forced to a second ref I could see may proposing leave with my deal or leave with no deal
Basically the people chose to leave and now they will decide if the EU offer is acceptable