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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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I am not sure there are truly informed opinions as so much is up in the air. Certainly the markets are in wait and see mode. May’s deal won’t pass tomorrow and it’s all about the scale of the defeat. Personally I think we’ll see an extension of the March deadline by a few more months.

Could be a good plan for the government, just continually kick Brexit down the road until everyone forgets about it in 2039 or something.:lol:
 
I mean if sense prevails we'll avoid all that stuff but we've already seen prospective problems with vital medicines in the case of a No Deal Brexit. Some people don't seem to understand how genuinely disastrous a No Deal Brexit could actually be.

That’s why I asked the question. I would hope that it’s not that bad, but do any of us know just how bad a No Deal Brexit would be...?
 
I doubt she's got a mission beyond brexit. If it passes she'll hand over thinking her self a success and if it's a referendum or GE she'll stand down.

If we go down the path of renegotiation i could see her clinging on perhaps. I still don't know which way the vote of no confidence will go
Well it's looking increasingly likely that there will be one, but I've no idea who would win either. Presumably it will be down to the DUP, and how safe they think they are in their own seats, anyone with a clue on that?
 
That’s why I asked the question. I would hope that it’s not that bad, but do any of us know just how bad a No Deal Brexit would be...?

Difficult to tell but we'd essentially be losing most of the frameworks within which we operate while currently in the EU and would have absolutely nothing to replace them with at all.
 
What I find disturbing is that Brexiters are happy for the agreement to be voted down and Remainers are happy for it to be voted down, both sides thinking it means good news for them , one of those opinions is definitely wrong .

Which side is being conned yet again.
 
So are any of you guys going to / have already started to stockpile foodstuff?

My head tells me that there shouldn’t be a need to panic buy but stories of people doing so seem to be gathering pace and I wonder if I’m sticking my head in the ground trying to ignore the pending madness.

I saw people practically scrapping for marked down ready meals in Tesco yesterday and I dread to think what it would be like if food was genuinely in short suppply.
Have about two weeks worth of custard creams in my cupboard.
 
I mean if sense prevails we'll avoid all that stuff but we've already seen prospective problems with vital medicines in the case of a No Deal Brexit. Some people don't seem to understand how genuinely disastrous a No Deal Brexit could actually be.

Have you noticed any common sense in UK politics in the past three years?
 
What I find disturbing is that Brexiters are happy for the agreement to be voted down and Remainers are happy for it to be voted down, both sides thinking it means good news for them , one of those opinions is definitely wrong .

Which side is being conned yet again.

Part of me would rather have the deal accepted, despite being a Remainer. I can't see a second Referendum and can see no deal scenario coming. Absolutely masochistic.
 
What I find disturbing is that Brexiters are happy for the agreement to be voted down and Remainers are happy for it to be voted down, both sides thinking it means good news for them , one of those opinions is definitely wrong .

Which side is being conned yet again.
Who will the French blame when their economy suffers with no deal?
 
I mean if sense prevails we'll avoid all that stuff but we've already seen prospective problems with vital medicines in the case of a No Deal Brexit. Some people don't seem to understand how genuinely disastrous a No Deal Brexit could actually be.

Read up on how supermarket supply chains work, then it might not seem quite as unbelievable.

Wasnt it already discussed that the only option in such case is to basically wave every EU shipment through? Deal or no deal.
 
By waving through I meant ignoring the paperwork, i.e pretending the UK is in the EU. Surely there has to be a way that with some emergency government order that can be achieved.

All the taxes have to be paid, possibly tariffs as well plus standards, list is endless. When I say coming back , they've got to return to the EU and they won't be waved through. Plus if it's no deal the UK will have very few licenced drivers/trucks and Europeans will be loathe to have their trucks stuck in the UK. It's fantasy talk by the Brexiters to think there will not be huge disruption.
So much depends on smoothness and no disruption.
The smallest disruption will have a major effect.

Additionally imagine if the UK did avoid all checks , physical and paperwork, it would be out of control in a very short space of time not withstanding counterfeit, smuggling etc.
 
All the taxes have to be paid, possibly tariffs as well plus standards, list is endless. When I say coming back , they've got to return to the EU and they won't be waved through. Plus if it's no deal the UK will have very few licenced drivers/trucks and Europeans will be loathe to have their trucks stuck in the UK. It's fantasy talk by the Brexiters to think there will not be huge disruption.
So much depends on smoothness and no disruption.
The smallest disruption will have a major effect.

Additionally imagine if the UK did avoid all checks , physical and paperwork, it would be out of control in a very short space of time not withstanding counterfeit, smuggling etc.
I understand , but to not be a plan for this when no deal was in fact a very likely option for a considerable time is extremely damning for the entirety of government and legislation. It's just baffling that it is indeed plausible nobody knows what they are doing.
 
Shenanigans again:
Guardian said:
Obscure pro-Brexit group spends tens of thousands on Facebook ads
Britain’s Future has spent £88,000 on pro-Brexit ads despite Facebook transparency promises
 
I understand , but to not be a plan for this when no deal was in fact a very likely option for a considerable time is extremely damning for the entirety of government and legislation. It's just baffling that it is indeed plausible nobody knows what they are doing.

I couldn't agree more.

Brexit has brought into focus the ability of the politicians and they're under so much more scrutiny than ever before. Very few seem to know what they are doing. Amateurish is too flattering.
 


I don't get this argument, it's a vote on her deal by proxy and would still be a humiliation. They can't be so deluded to think people will think otherwise.

Spending 2 years getting a deal to not put it to a vote is surely an even bigger feck up anyway
 
I couldn't agree more.

Brexit has brought into focus the ability of the politicians and they're under so much more scrutiny than ever before. Very few seem to know what they are doing. Amateurish is too flattering.
I feel like the actual cast of Yes Minister would be doing a better job today.
 
I feel like the actual cast of Yes Minister would be doing a better job today.

They couldn't do much worse.
The other problem is that as Brexit has been one lie after the other from start to finish, how could they admit openly that there was a problem even if they did realise there were problems.

Brexit is supposed to deliver their fantasy, how could they admit that it will be a nightmare. Most of them are still in denial now, not only the government but the opposition as well.
 
Benn supposedly pulling his amendment in the morning to ensure the government lose their vote. A real chance to avoid a hard Brexit and they’re throwing it away to try and force an election.
 
Benn supposedly pulling his amendment in the morning to ensure the government lose their vote. A real chance to avoid a hard Brexit and they’re throwing it away to try and force an election.

527 MPs ish MPs against no deal.

Need the WA voted down and Parliament to take control of the process. Hopefully they then will do the right thing and withdraw article 50.
 


Excuse my ignorance, but does this mean the the House of Lords will reject any motion towards a No Deal outcome?

If this is the case, can/will House of Lords be able to actually and legally prevent the No Deal scenario from happening? If this is the case then either we have May's deal, a new renegotiated deal or we stay in EU?