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I get the feeling May will have to be dragged out of no.10 kicking and screaming. Anyone think she will resign?
I keep hearing 'the media is biased in favour of Remain' but I'm wondering...could even the most ardent Brexiter point to ANY positive/hopeful news that the media could have reported on in the two years since the Referendum?
The £ has fallen, businesses have moved operations out of the UK, the financial services sector has seen 10% of it's total assets move out of the UK, we've fewer nurses and doctors coming into the UK post-referendum, numerous senior ministers have resigned and the Gov. is in chaos
Genuinely, even if you were looking really hard for good news, where would you find it???
The £ has fallen, businesses have moved operations out of the UK, the financial services sector has seen 10% of it's total assets move out of the UK, we've fewer nurses and doctors coming into the UK post-referendum, numerous senior ministers have resigned and the Gov. is in chaos
Genuinely, even if you were looking really hard for good news, where would you find it???
Any arguments which can be mustered in favour of Brexit at this point are essentially ones that pertain to things that Brexiteers perceive to be wrong with the EU, but the problem is that those flaws are pretty much irrelevant at this point when no coherent alternative has been offered. If anything the media haven't been stringent enough in their condemnation of the stupidity of this whole process and key issues like NI that were ignored at the time. Like you say there are a ton of areas in which our lives will be affected from day-to-day and most people remain at least partially ignorant as to how we will be impacted.
EU net migration to the UK is down from 189,000 (in the year before the referendum), to 74,000 (in the year to June 2018), which is great news if you're racist/xenophobic. Unfortunately for EDL-type wankers, non-EU net migration is up to 248,000 per year, its highest level since 2004.
Sounds like general argument for Brexit during the ref.
Yup, there's recruitment agencies ramping up their recruitment in the middle and far east in the hope that they will be called upon to fill a skills gap should the UK go through with Brexit. I've had numerous former contacts particularly from India, Saudi and the Emirates asking me about the abundant opportunities they are hearing about in the UK which had me rather bemused at first.
Sounds great going for a job in a country where they just voted to get rid of you but were to incompetent to figure out how to do it.
Reports that Corbyn will call for an extension of Art 50 tomorrow (following on from Starmer’s statement earlier that the 29 March deadline is not achievable). The problem is what does “extension” actually mean and on what grounds would the EU 27 grant it? Probably for a referendum but presumably not for a continuation of the unicorn hunt of the last 2 years.
All bar one of my contacts they have approached are Indian although many are working in the ME or elsewhere in South Asia and they are being sold a story that once we are out of the EU we will be far more welcoming to commonwealth immigrants again, a number of these guys are being pushed heavily by their families to find something over here as they'd like to join them which is something they won't do in Dubai or Saudi.
I'm not sure this is what the Brexiteers had in mind.
Labours proposal is very likely to be on the grounds Stamer keeps saying he's discussed with EU colleagues already, a permanent customs union with some single market like deal (feck knows how that actually looks).
I don't think it'll be on a second referendum, they're leaving others to do the dirty work of pushing that. I can see the goverment purposefully ordering the motions so that referendum is first and to put Labour in a difficult position.
My (anecdotal) understanding is this is exactly why many British Asians voted for Brexit.
Nope and they deliberately muddied the waters so that EU immigration was taken as all immigration which just goes to show how much ignorance there was in the vote.
Just when you think Brexit cannot get more farcical:
Sir Oliver Letwin, the Conservative former cabinet minister, intervenes. He says Labour says it wants “a permanent UK-EU customs union and a strong single market deal”. Letwin says he is speaking as someone who hopes that there will be a cross-party agreement on Brexit. Can Starmer explain what that means?
Starmer says he is interested in something that would be similar to the customs union, but not the same. He says he would like to explore this in talks with the EU. If it was a custom union like the one Turkey has with the EU, that would not be acceptable. And he says he would like something akin to single market membership, but not EEA membership. He accepts that these are issues that would have to be negotiated.
So this is Labour's position, less than 80 days from the UK leaving the EU, Labour mocking the Tories, quite rightly, but then coming out with this drivel. Which planet are these people on - who are they trying to convince?
At least the Tories have finally realised that they can't have their cake and eat it.
I find this truly pathetic.
Sir Oliver Letwin, the Conservative former cabinet minister, intervenes. He says Labour says it wants “a permanent UK-EU customs union and a strong single market deal”. Letwin says he is speaking as someone who hopes that there will be a cross-party agreement on Brexit. Can Starmer explain what that means?
Starmer says he is interested in something that would be similar to the customs union, but not the same. He says he would like to explore this in talks with the EU. If it was a custom union like the one Turkey has with the EU, that would not be acceptable. And he says he would like something akin to single market membership, but not EEA membership. He accepts that these are issues that would have to be negotiated.
So this is Labour's position, less than 80 days from the UK leaving the EU, Labour mocking the Tories, quite rightly, but then coming out with this drivel. Which planet are these people on - who are they trying to convince?
At least the Tories have finally realised that they can't have their cake and eat it.
I find this truly pathetic.
Yes labours 6 tests were pretty much designed to be impossible to achieve ... Which of course gives them a reason to vote against Mays (or any conservative deal)
The problem is somehow they now have to be able to explain how they could negotiate a deal that passes their own six tests...
The only possible way to pass the 6 tests was to remain in the EU. So Starmer coming out with this ludicrous statement blows this supposedly cunning plan of Corbyn wide open. Corbyn's not very bright is he?
Almost like we have a quota of how many people to let in of which we have full control over, weird.
Some really interesting polling suggesting it's certainly not only in parliament there is no clear majority for any outcome
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-46735713
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-46735713
Can I get a brief update on this? It is all very confusing. It seems that all agree that it's a bad idea yet they persist....
Yes though factor this in
Tuesday late goverent will probably loose vote
Wednesday... Pmq's... Probably followed by no confidence motion
Thursday... No confidence motion probably debated (and defeated)
Friday... Present plan b
So yeah clearly no enough time to do anything other than to say meh it's my deal or no deal.
How can the government accept something knowing full well the EU will reject it? Surley this means May's deal is out of the window.
There's no one at the wheel in this country.
The Dutch are prepared, 1000 border patrol guards positions open, 500 applicants
Presumably the plan is going to be find out what would make the deal acceptable to parliment
Then demand that of the EU
When they tell her to jog on they can paint it as the nasty EU being unfair and say it's the EU's fault we are now having a hard brexit...
I mean it's a stupid idea but I'm not sure I can think of another reason for doing it
She's kicking the can until Hollywood makes the movie, like how they miraculously turned Mrs Thatcher into Elizabeth I.
I'm not sure why they are even bothering with these discussions. Its not getting through parliament, so why not just move to the next round of talks now and look at either a postponement, a new referendum, or no deal. They are the only options left.
11 weeks tomorrow.
11 weeks tomorrow.
Burning Ebola infected spiders
Stupidity is the answer. Always stupidity.
That tweet is misleading on both counts, it mainly just puts into writing Mays previous promise that MPs will get a say on the direction i.e backstop, extend or a 3rd way. None of it impacts the withdrawal agreement and Swire has said as much although I'm assuming he's a puppet in raising this.
Simple answer: no you can't. There is no clear picture at the moment of what's happening or what will happen. The major parties are in chaos, and when Brexit day arrives in less than 90 days from now we could end up with any outcome ranging from not leaving at all to a complete and total crash out with nothing in place to cushion the fall. And right now there's absolutely no way of telling which is the more likely.
This is because of an EU trade deal.
You have to wonder if Brexiteer shit-heads like this guy are deliberately trolling at this point?
Dont worry, prove you're a true United fan + valued member of the caf and I'll let you through. Also, cash. Accepting € only.
Maybe he presume that they'll just grant it simply because he asked nicely.
That tweet has my piss boiling. I'm not sure he really understands or he's waving a big feck you at us.
I think the lifting of the ban is something independent of the Japan trade deal but i could be wrong.
For me? God no. Risk of dying.
For you? Sweet mama it will taste good, and your ass will burn as you flush it down.