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I suspect that whilst they are bullying MPs rather than ethnic minorities antifa are fairly happy to sit on the sidelines and laugh at the stupidity on show, leaving the police to pick up the pieces if it turns nasty. If they were to wade in to try to block these pricks you can pretty much guarantee they would be the ones departing in handcuffs.
I just think it’s depressing that they’re allowed to behave like that without any kind of counter protest. It doesn’t need to be violent either. I was staying in a hotel in Berlin when Pegida staged a gathering in a city square, spouting xenophobic bollox through a loud hailer. A massive gathering of counter-protestors surrounded them, quietly out-numbering them by about ten to one. No laws were broken but it was a powerful demonstration that wankers like this don’t really represent the people. It’s a shame this doesn’t seem to be happening here.
If they were to try to outnumber them outside the Palace of Westminster like that then they would be judged to be the threat and moved on if not arrested.
It's a weird place at the best of times and Brexit has turned it into a circus with both the pro EU and Brexit loons camped out there at all hours of the day and night shouting the odds and waving their placards hoping to get on camera but generally just bemusing tourists and getting in the way of normal people heading to work. Prior to Brexit though it was not much different, just a more diverse crowd of loons with some fairly disturbing displays,anti-abortionists with gigantic posters of aborted foetuses, falun gong supporters with photos of torture and murder victims, anti hunt lobbyists with their grizzly photos etc
Also said the Withdrawal Agreement can include a trade deal.
You shouldn't have to change your route because of anybody, least of all due to rascists or facists.
Probably an unpopular opinion but i see little wrong (apart from being dimwitted) with those incidents from protesters, they weren't blocking the path of either and being called a nazi is hardly abuse. I certainly reserve the right to call some of the robinson plonkers nazis.
Sometimes i think politicians and journalists expect to be able to live in a bubble, getting their message out whilst not being directly challenged by the plebs.
Sometimes i think politicians and journalists expect to be able to live in a bubble, getting their message out whilst not being directly challenged by the plebs.
Aye, fair point. I guess different rules apply so close to Parliament.
It fits any reasonable interpretation of harassment and intimidation. It's aggressive and designed to instill fear and as such the plod should be having a look at it before the inevitable happens and someone gets hurt.
Jo Cox ring any bells?
Shithead with a beard has a name, apparently. He’s James Goddard from the EDL.
Mind you, his real name is probably Emmanuel Fitz-Dalrymple.
Mind you, his real name is probably Emmanuel Fitz-Dalrymple.
Like that all his social media ask for PayPal donations. Obviously in it as a point of principal and not to make his money like the next Stephen Yaxley-Lennon
Just seen him described as a "pound shop SYL" Seeing that SYL is pure pound shop himself that's quite the put down.
That would criminalise a lot of protests, all the protests against Farage and Boris during the referendum for instance. Honestly, you had an issue with any of that?
Jo Cox was murdered, unless you think I'm saying its okay to attack individuals exactly what comparison are you trying to make?
If you crack down on direct protest because you don't like the protesters or their message you also reduce your own ability to protest. Are we saying the public have no right to protest towards politicians/journalists in person unless it's an organised debate event?
I'm saying there's a thin line between legitimate protest and unlawful behaviour and that politicians and journalists, like any member of the public, have the right to not be threatened on the streets of this country. And that is what is happening here.
And yes protest can be organised and lawful (we do have laws for this) and points of views can be expressed without threatening and intimidating behaviour which invariably escalates into violence if left unchecked. That's the link with the murder of Jo Cox - it's the next step from some feckwit like Goddard thinking he can get in the face of an MP or a journalist without some sort of comeback.
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Okay maybe i missed it but i didn't here any threats just name calling. If there were threats then i retract my point.
I think there’s an important difference between a protest against a particular ideology or political movement and the targetted intimidation and harassment of individuals, which seems to be what is happening here.
I for one am really looking forward to trying chlorinated chicken - if it's good enough for fat and unhealthy Americans then it's good enough for me. A good, Dunkirk spirit should include rationing and a much restricted access to fresh food - I'm all for it.
Standing outside with placards barely gets any coverage and certainly no consideration from MPs we all know that. There's a reason there's a long standing tradition of shouting at MPs in transit as they'll usually get aired.
I don't recall many being outraged with the abuse Farage, Cameron or Boris got and that was often at their homes. There's an obvious double standard its either right or wrong not just when the person is deemed to have deserved it.
Personally i think if its people going in to parliament, a place of work, or a televised event then fine, if its whilst they're living their life off camera then that's a totally seperate issue.
That's a fair comment. I don't think anyone on here would get too outraged if someone got in Farage's face and called him an odious twat.
What?
don't be so sensitive you big racist nazi.
How DARE you. If I had a velvet glove to hand I would strike you hard on the cheek (either one) and demand satisfaction of a duel. As it is the internet and I do not own a velvet glove I shall instead retreat behind my keyboard and struggle with the dagger you have placed into my heart.
This same EDL guy is in a video saying he'll start a war if they want one and that they're "fair game". So yeah, his rhetoric at least is not far from physical violence. Too close for comfort.
Yeah it seemed that way but she is a Tory so who cares.
Well, I'd care if anyone got murdered by this mob, to be honest.
i for one look forward to a nice friendly chat with a thuggish hoard outside a polling booth if there is a second referendum...
im sure they will love my t-shirt
im sure they will love my t-shirt
They already have in Jo Cox but what happened yesterday was a bunch far right thugs shouted at a mp and a political commentator while they were guarded by police. It was interesting but that's about it.
I don't find it interesting. I'd hate it to happen to me. And if some rabid lunatic was shouting at me that I was "fair game", I'd be looking over my shoulder.
Yeah I would as well.
But Soubry is not only a MP but one that cuts welfare, cuts immigration rights, cuts worker rights. In fact it was her party that called the opposition leader a terrorist sympathiser and in the House of Commons called Momentum(a socialist faction inside the Labour Party)a group of fascists. Those comments yesterday being made to Owen Jones didn't have be formed from listening to Alex Jones or reading Breitbart but by picking up a national newspaper or just simply listening to the government. All of this by the way after a Labour MP was murder and a potential murder attempt on 2 more Labour MPs(Khan & Corbyn)
Now Soubry may just be a bit thick(Most liberal tories are)but how does she think politics is formed. There's good data to suggest the Tory cuts fuled anti EU feeling and may have actual helped Leave getting over the winning line.
So the shock she as well as other MP's had at yesterday none sense is just bizarre, if not more worrying as a lot of them don't seem to know the effects they have on people's lives.
You seriously think the behaviour of those people abusing Soubry is a result of austerity? Whatabout Faisal Islam being called “not British” and “rapist”? Or Kay Burley and Laura Kuenssberg being threatened? Although, with Kuensberg, that could be Jeremy’s hardcore fan base of course.
Only on a Saturday, though. A weirdly specific threat.
jesus feck this is the second time the remain campaign has used a slogan that was meant to show solidarity with the victims of a massacrei for one look forward to a nice friendly chat with a thuggish hoard outside a polling booth if there is a second referendum...
im sure they will love my t-shirt
Which - Charlie Hebdo? I thought it was a play on the Stalinist-era language used by Brexit-supporting newspapers and in French just to wind up little Englanders.
almost everyone in the uk will autocomplete to charlie hebdo hearing je suis
Those people ideas are empowered by austerity and by MPs like Soubry. Austerity played a role in leave winning the refendum, had austerity not happened then remain might have won and those idiots yesterday would'nt have been "protesting" outside Westminster.
What? You mean you do.
I certainly didn't. I just thought it was incredibly pretentious wank.
That's perhaps true to a certain extent but a lot of the ones who would've been launching abuse yesterday are just racists who feel emboldened by Brexit. Plenty of them would've been racists before austerity was implemented and plenty of them would've always been looking for excuses to blame immigrants for whatever they can.
Yeah I'm not saying as individuals were made into racists by austerity but their ideas have gained in popularity because of the actions took by the likes of Soubry - such as austerity and calling opposition terrorists and fascists.