I’d agree with you that the effects of austerity played a role in the Leave win. But ultimately it was the engineers of the Leave campaign which encouraged these type of scumbags (who have always been with us, just under different labels - NF, BNP, EDL...).
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I’d agree with you that the effects of austerity played a role in the Leave win. But ultimately it was the engineers of the Leave campaign which encouraged these type of scumbags (who have always been with us, just under different labels - NF, BNP, EDL...).
No deal has been dead as an option for a while now - this just puts the final nail in the coffin.
Not really. No deal happens by law if there's nothing by March 29.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
If that was the case then you either have May's deal or cancel Brexit.
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I really can’t see “no deal” happening - there is a large majority in parliament against it, and May, for all her many faults, would not actively choose that option nor wilfully allow it to happen by default. It’s either her deal or postpone/revoke and throw it back to the people.
Theoretically this time next week the HoC would have voted on her deal. If that is voted down as well - then all that is left is cancel Brexit. Now there could be a referendum - if that happened and the electorate voted to cancel Brexit , Brexit is cancelled but if they voted to leave yet again, no deal becomes almost a certainty. At some point in time one of those three options will be the outcome and no deal is still a real possibility.
Finance amendment was passed
Basically government can't spend money preparing for no deal unless there is a vote to approve no deal...
Basically government can't spend money preparing for no deal unless there is a vote to approve no deal...
I meant to say that I can’t see it happening by default on 29 March. You are right though that it would happen if Leave were to win again in a second referendum. If that did happen, then I’d have to conclude that the country would deserve everything that it gets but I am increasingly confident Remain would get high 50s/60 second time round.
One would expect it wouldn't happen by default on March 29 but most of parliament on both sides still seem to be living in a fantasy world and seem so detached from reality it would not surprise me at all.
Is there anything in this? Or is it just a conspiracy theory at the moment?
Well reading the thread is horrifying. One guy was a counter and observed ballot falsifying and when he reported it was told ‘not to worry’ by the returning officer.
where does the 1.1 million number come from?
tbh I'm surprised that that many even tried to vote by post
Grayling's a bit of a nut on the subject so take with ample salt.
Neither would I with only weeks to go, nothing decided and no deal the default option.
The biggest champions of austerity were leaders and financial 'experts' in the eu, so its no surprise the ref went the way it did. And all the anti gov demonstrations you see across europe today are a direct result of those measures.
A lot of the politicians still seem to think that if they vote down the deal next week another deal will suddenly appear from nowhere.
People have had a glimpse of what Brexit means and no-one seems to like it and that includes both Brexiters and Remainers.
No-one has got the guts to stop Brexit so imo no deal is just as likely as any other outcome. I'd still say it was clear favourite.
(obligatory) Just get on with it.
At least you won't have anything to worry about @Stanley Road
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ncy-of-uk-citizens-in-event-of-no-brexit-deal
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ncy-of-uk-citizens-in-event-of-no-brexit-deal
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Edit: Now a denial
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I have just emailed the local office for foreigners (Auslanderbehörde) and have asked them what happens after Brexit, I have had since 1996 a permanent Residence Permit to live and work in Germany but still dont have a clue as to what will happen after the 29.03.2019.
Guerrilla warfare by amendments.
If the new grieve amendment passes i can't see how this goverment functions. When this deal fails they'll be an immediate vote of no confidence and power will be handed to parliament within 3 days win or lose.
Really hope it passes so we can get some amendments voted on next week, even if nothing has a majority we should at least have a clear view of where parlaiment stands.
Really hope it passes so we can get some amendments voted on next week, even if nothing has a majority we should at least have a clear view of where parlaiment stands.
This is the wrong type of sovereignty 
This is the wrong type of sovereignty
Indeed,
Just watching proceedings now and It's hillarious they're basically foaming at the mouth over this
Over being given a vote...that will allow them to vote on amendments sooner!I'm applying for a carte sejour here in France to try and make sure I'm protected. So much uncertainty amidst this clusterfeck.
Votes to have amendments on what exactly the deal.?
Three days to have a Plan B?
Corbyn to call a vote of no confidence to call an election after the UK have left and which he'd probably lose anyway?
So glad I escaped from the asylum.
Three days to have a Plan B?
Corbyn to call a vote of no confidence to call an election after the UK have left and which he'd probably lose anyway?
So glad I escaped from the asylum.
Was always going to be the case, that's why no one i know applied for passports.
One hour of points of order on the selection of the Grieve amendment and counting. Really an excuse for partisan attacks on and defences of the Speaker's integrity. Not an edifying spectacle.
Plan B should be to extend Article 50, then people's referendum and then carry out the necessary action.
Are we even allowed to extend it for that reason? I understood an extension was only allowed for technical reasons, not so we can decide if we really want to leave or not.
Doesn't Plan B have to be sorted in 3 days following the vote (should the vote be defeated)
3 DAYS? With this government
3 DAYS? With this government
We can't extend it unilaterally - it requires the 27 member states. They won't sanction an extension for further debate/negotiation. They presumably would do for a referendum with a 'remain' option, though.
We can however revoke A50 unilaterally if we wish to, which would effectively cancel Brexit. Whether Parliament would choose cancelling Brexit over crashing out with no deal, is currently unknown, but we might get an answer to that quite soon.
The goverment only need to make a statement of intent, it isn't for them to come up with a new detailed plan
Up till now I thought the worst thing that could happen to the UK would be to leave the EU with no deal.
In fact there is something worse than that .. the Uk leave with no deal and have no government in place to deal with the consequences.
Plan B can only be to revoke A50.
What is totally bemusing is that the UK think that the EU are just going to hang around patiently whilst the UK sort their mess out. Absolutely stunningly ridiculous.
In fact there is something worse than that .. the Uk leave with no deal and have no government in place to deal with the consequences.
Plan B can only be to revoke A50.
What is totally bemusing is that the UK think that the EU are just going to hang around patiently whilst the UK sort their mess out. Absolutely stunningly ridiculous.
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We currently don't have a government.
And then the Brexiters will blame the EU for the mess we have put ourselves in.
Another day, another government loss.
Also, isn't that vote basically a de facto vote on May's deal. Why would you vote yes for that if you are not going to vote to reject May's deal?
That's going to happen anyway.
JRM doesn't seem too unhappy at the way things are going.
Rather than preventing a no deal, all this current malarkey seems to push the UK more towards it.
No other deal (Norway/Canada and all this nonsense) is possible without the withdrawal agreement so unless A50 is revoked I don't see the benefit.
Barclays concessions are embarrassing, they've clearly got nothing from the EU so tried to scramble something together themselves. They're either unenforceable or already promised