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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...cross-party-amendment-to-block-no-deal-brexit

First attempts to block a no deal brexit... I do wonder if this might backfire on those hoping to force a 2nd referendum as I could see Mogg and Johnson going along with mays deal for the vote to ensure we leave... then blaming the bad deal on her and turning the final deal into a canada type deal anyway

I still don't see how someone blocks a no deal brexit - that means you accept May's deal or cancel Brexit.
 
Anyone here know EU citizens that have left the country?
Yep. Ex employee came in for a work reference. Said he was off back to Poland after being here for 10 years, as were many of his family and wider community up and down the country.
 
What a bunch of pricks.

I wonder if it occurred to him that the pond life he's talking to is on the same page as uncle Jezza when it comes to the biggest issue Britain has faced for generations?

They're also on the "same page as Uncle Pogue" when it comes to the economic system - capitalism.

Such a non-sequitur.
 
I still don't see how someone blocks a no deal brexit - that means you accept May's deal or cancel Brexit.

Technically this deal does not block a no deal brexit - but it hinders the governments ability to change tax legislation till there is an agreed deal (or no deal has been agreed by parliament)
I suspect we will see these sorts of amendments tagged on to every bit of legislation the government tries to pass until they accept they have to find a majority in parliament for something or basically their ability to govern is gone (well if it isnt already)
 
They're also on the "same page as Uncle Pogue" when it comes to the economic system - capitalism.

Such a non-sequitur.

Nah, not a non-sequitur at all. Brexit is dominating British politics right now and it impact will be felt for generations. People like Corbyn (and Owen Jones) will forever be defined by the side they take on this issue. The same side as those twats in the hi-vis jackets.

Seeing as I'm not a politician, my personal politics really are a non-sequitur in this discussion...
 
Shame on us.
We still have 4 Polish members of staff working for us who are going to stick it out. Plus I think things have actually picked up pretty well in Poland.

But yes I think on balance many are saying that it isn't worth the risk staying here.
 
Technically this deal does not block a no deal brexit - but it hinders the governments ability to change tax legislation till there is an agreed deal (or no deal has been agreed by parliament)
I suspect we will see these sorts of amendments tagged on to every bit of legislation the government tries to pass until they accept they have to find a majority in parliament for something or basically their ability to govern is gone (well if it isnt already)

Agreed that every bit of legislation will be challenged and have amendments but all I can see is March 29th coming and going and the UK find themselves out of the EU with no deal.
Sleepwalking to disaster.

Imo both May's strategy of kicking the can down the road and Corbyn's silence will backfire on both of them spectacularly. Unless someone comes to their senses in the next 80 days.
 
Agreed that every bit of legislation will be challenged and have amendments but all I can see is March 29th coming and going and the UK find themselves out of the EU with no deal.
Sleepwalking to disaster.

Imo both May's strategy of kicking the can down the road and Corbyn's silence will backfire on both of them spectacularly. Unless someone comes to their senses in the next 80 days.
Im not even sure they have 80 days...
How long would it take the EU to agree to extend article 50? - I'm guessing its not a 1 day job?
At this rate i could see us on 28th March having to decide if we annul A50 unilaterally or if we have a hard brexit... and even then if we choose to remain I can see the brexiters sneeking a 2nd class stamp on the letter and it not getting there in time... its a bloody mess and as you say time is running down and as the legal default position is to leave with no deal then each passing day makes that more likely (a delightful and terrifying prospect depending on peoples POV)
 
Im not even sure they have 80 days...
How long would it take the EU to agree to extend article 50? - I'm guessing its not a 1 day job?
At this rate i could see us on 28th March having to decide if we annul A50 unilaterally or if we have a hard brexit... and even then if we choose to remain I can see the brexiters sneeking a 2nd class stamp on the letter and it not getting there in time... its a bloody mess and as you say time is running down and as the legal default position is to leave with no deal then each passing day makes that more likely (a delightful and terrifying prospect depending on peoples POV)

Yes really minds have to be made up by the end of this month.
The only point of extending A50 is to eventually revoke it so why waste time. Cancelling it on 28th March would not totally surprise me though. However, no deal is still favourite imo but not through intent but through sheer incompetence.
 
Calls him a bully, as he is part of a large group of people harassing and hounding someone.

Also, the irony of these anti-EU protesters taking inspiration from the French yellow jacket protest.

It’s not really an irony tbf. The far right in France also got involved in the Gilet Jaune protests. It seems as though there were regular scuffles between right wing protestors and antifa.

 
Im not even sure they have 80 days...
How long would it take the EU to agree to extend article 50? - I'm guessing its not a 1 day job?
At this rate i could see us on 28th March having to decide if we annul A50 unilaterally or if we have a hard brexit... and even then if we choose to remain I can see the brexiters sneeking a 2nd class stamp on the letter and it not getting there in time... its a bloody mess and as you say time is running down and as the legal default position is to leave with no deal then each passing day makes that more likely (a delightful and terrifying prospect depending on peoples POV)

Does an extension require a formal request to extend the deadline requiring EU approval? Could the UK parliament not pass legislation to revoke the Art 50 notification on the basis that there would be a period of [?] to reconsider the issue, possibly involving referendum 2? In the meantime the UK would continue as an EU member. The ECJ ruling stated that unilateral revocation of Art 50 was possible provided it was not exercised abusively. If the UK was fully transparent and kept the EU 27 informed of its plans in such circumstances, then presumably there would not be abusive behaviour, even if Art 50 was submitted for a second and final time at the end of that process. That still causes a huge mess of course in terms of uncertainty and EU elections but it would reduce the risk of a hard Brexit by accident due to the 27 being unable to reach a unanimous agreement on extension by 29 March.
 
Does an extension require a formal request to extend the deadline requiring EU approval? Could the UK parliament not pass legislation to revoke the Art 50 notification on the basis that there would be a period of [?] to reconsider the issue, possibly involving referendum 2? In the meantime the UK would continue as an EU member. The ECJ ruling stated that unilateral revocation of Art 50 was possible provided it was not exercised abusively. If the UK was fully transparent and kept the EU 27 informed of its plans in such circumstances, then presumably there would not be abusive behaviour, even if Art 50 was submitted for a second and final time at the end of that process. That still causes a huge mess of course in terms of uncertainty and EU elections but it would reduce the risk of a hard Brexit by accident due to the 27 being unable to reach a unanimous agreement on extension by 29 March.
To the best of my knowledge based on the recent couet case...
UK can cancel brexit themselves (unilaterally revoke A50)
Extending the exit deadline under A50 requires a formal request and all 27 members to agree. (and yes the EU elections do substantially complicate this )
 
To the best of my knowledge based on the recent couet case...
UK can cancel brexit themselves (unilaterally revoke A50)
Extending the exit deadline under A50 requires a formal request and all 27 members to agree. (and yes the EU elections do substantially complicate this )

That’s my broad understanding too but maybe revocation could be used as a de facto extension (particularly if there is an expectation that there would be no need to re-submit Art 50, as the most recent polls suggest).
 
Calls him a bully, as he is part of a large group of people harassing and hounding someone.

Also, the irony of these anti-EU protesters taking inspiration from the French yellow jacket protest.

Yup, mentioned that previously. In France, you are required to wear one of those high vis jackets if you breakdown. You must carry one in your car for the driver & each passenger.

Hypocritical fecking twats!
 
I'm confused. Are Tommy Robinson supporters calling other people Nazis now?
 
Nah, not a non-sequitur at all. Brexit is dominating British politics right now and it impact will be felt for generations. People like Corbyn (and Owen Jones) will forever be defined by the side they take on this issue. The same side as those twats in the hi-vis jackets.

Seeing as I'm not a politician, my personal politics really are a non-sequitur in this discussion...

I wrote a snarky reply* but it's not worth it, since I think and will continue to think that the comparison is laughable and a cheap point and you obviously think and will continue to think there's actual political commonality worth pointing out between Tommy Robinson and Jeremy Corbyn.

All I'll say is that what Owen Jones was doing wasn't journalism, he's a known face going into a rally that hates him with his camera on just to get a reaction like that. So well done, you proved that people who claim to hate you do hate you.


*Combine this post with this other post of yours and then point out that capitalism sets the constraints for politics.
 
I wrote a snarky reply* but it's not worth it, since I think and will continue to think that the comparison is laughable and a cheap point and you obviously think and will continue to think there's actual political commonality worth pointing out between Tommy Robinson and Jeremy Corbyn.

All I'll say is that what Owen Jones was doing wasn't journalism, he's a known face going into a rally that hates him with his camera on just to get a reaction like that. So well done, you proved that people who claim to hate you do hate you.


*Combine this post with this other post of yours and then point out that capitalism sets the constraints for politics.

 
That Cumberbatch drama created a horrible sense of almost grieving all over again.

Ah well I'm sure the competency of parlaiment will cheer me up over the next few week
 
I rather liked this image. Hardly great political debate (sorry) but there isn't much going on (but not nothing) at the moment.

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If there was a Tommy Robinson rally, I am a brown guy sometimes with a beard, I'd use a different road.
I don't blame him or anything, I don't think it's great journalism.

Point taken but if that rally was on a road where you would normally walk why should you have to take a different one?
 
I'm confused. Are Tommy Robinson supporters calling other people Nazis now?

They've been doing that for a long time. Classic deflection and projection response to getting called out. See also "freedom of speech" "fascist" etc etc

We should bring back National Service (ironically something they would probably support) but those pie munching twats would curl up and cry like small children in a military environment.
 
I don’t really condone the whole punch a Nazi thing but I’d be lying if I said I’d get no satisfaction from seeing the bearded hi vis bloke get a smack in the chops.

In almost every other European capital (and most US cities?) a gathering of right wing bullies like that could expect to run an antifa gauntlet. How come there doesn’t seem to be any counter-protestors outside parliament?