England running roughshod over them has surely put it back on the table. "Better Together" morphing into "JUSSBLOODYGERONWIVIT" to get out of the EU no matter the cost has reignited the debate.
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England running roughshod over them has surely put it back on the table. "Better Together" morphing into "JUSSBLOODYGERONWIVIT" to get out of the EU no matter the cost has reignited the debate.
Vote apparently being pulled from tomorrow night...
I don't think you can screw up a process this badly if you were doing it intentionally.
I hope the EU tell her to feck off.
I hope the EU tell her to feck off.
Pound's heading south.
didnt expect her to pull the vote
wouldnt be surprised to see a leadership challenge and a confidence motion over the next 24h
wouldnt be surprised to see a leadership challenge and a confidence motion over the next 24h
Her next move now?
Perhaps saying we have to enact the 1st referendum and leave...
but allow a peoples vote for either her deal or no deal?
Perhaps saying we have to enact the 1st referendum and leave...
but allow a peoples vote for either her deal or no deal?
Boris "Wildcard" Johnson for Prime Minister.
What a shit show.
With every bloody move, proving why those who voted remain did so. Tories are fecking useless.
With every bloody move, proving why those who voted remain did so. Tories are fecking useless.
If she's pulled the vote it surely has to be proposing a GE/referendum. Anything else will see her gone, she has no credibility to renegotiate.
What are the odds that the EU lose/amend the backstop at the proverbial one minute to midnight?
As I say I think a trip tp the EU... where they say no negotiation
And then back she comes with "My deal is the best deal on offer"... the people said they want to leave... now the people can choose leave with no deal or leave with My deal (I think she will even loose that before she resigns)
minimal I think - perhaps a stand alone statement saying they dont want to use it and they wouldnt let it continue in perpetuity - but I dont think they change the text of the withdrawal agreement
One of the world's most powerful countries and you're run by a bunch of absolute idiots. What an absolute shit show.
Feck sake. I've 7 weeks of work for a UK company over Christmas
It could have been worse, she could have had the vote and lost and the pound would be in the Antarctic.
The European commission has said that it will not renegotiate the withdrawal agreement. At a press briefing the commission’s spokeswoman Mina Andreeva said:
We take note of the court of justice judgment today on the irrevocability of article 50.
We have an agreement on the table which was endorsed by the European council in its article 50 format on the 25th November.
As President Juncker said, this deal is the best and only deal possible. We will not renegotiate - our position has therefore not changed and as far as we are concerned the United Kingdom is leaving the European Union on the 29th March 2019.
We take note of the court of justice judgment today on the irrevocability of article 50.
We have an agreement on the table which was endorsed by the European council in its article 50 format on the 25th November.
As President Juncker said, this deal is the best and only deal possible. We will not renegotiate - our position has therefore not changed and as far as we are concerned the United Kingdom is leaving the European Union on the 29th March 2019.
I wouldn't be suprised if that's what their strategy is, the issue being that it doesn't change anything. They'll still be those who think someone else can negotiate a better deal and the same amount who oppose.
She might secure a rewording once again to try and trick some.
Theresa May is approaching Ted Heath levels of political indeptitude.
I guess I can hope for Remain to become more likely by the end of the month when the invoice will go through... and the same to happen at the end of January
She spoke with Varadkar last night. He seem's to be the guy who wants the copper-bottom on this and the rest of the EU are backing him. If nobody wants to use it then take it out.
Just agree to have crisis talks to find a holding position IF and WHEN a trade deal doesn't look as if it will be done in the requisite time.
In the meantime get the Techies on it big time. There will need to be a border solution after a FTA is agreed in any case - and that can't be the same as this backstop so it has to be tech.
Unfortunately I don't think any of the Tory or Labour politicians have got the guts to give Remain a chance, and the EU are not going to renegotiate.
Why would Ireland ever agree to the UK leaving them in a position where they'd have to rely on the UK to act in good faith later? Considering what a total arse the UK has made of everything so far.
The trade agreement discussions don't start until after the UK have left, it won't be finalised for years from now.
Any chance they've extended the transition to try and make the backstop less likely?
Not sure even that would pass parlaiment though.
Not sure even that would pass parlaiment though.
has to be agreed by all the eu countries to extend so no way this has been agreed without multiple leaks (plus no doubt we have to continue to pay and be a "rule taker not a rule maker" in that period - so wouldnt help her with the parliamentary vote)
we could now of course unilaterally stop A50 - but again I think if that was a realistic option it would have been heavily leaked in order to assess the public reaction
That is what the EU are asking the UK to do. I'm saying that if nobody wants to use it, then lose it. Amend the agreement to say that if it is looking like an FTA isn't going to be agreed by the end of 2020 then crisis talks will be held to find a temporary position at that point. By such time there could be some tech solution available.
If Ireland want May's vote to succeed then they will need to look at something like that. Or they risk a no-deal crash out which would be far worse for Ireland - and the border.
will they launch a no confidence motion?
I'm not sure it will work but I think they will try
There may not be a long term agreement for years, but won't there be discussion as to what happens at the end of the transition period? Which could result in an agreement, a temporary agreement, or no agreement at all of course.
They are meant to be finalised for the end of 2020. The backstop is border insurance if they have not been finalised. But the backstop kills the deal.
This is a clusterfak of all clusterfaks in history.
That's our problem not theirs. No-deal would be bad for the Ireland and the rest of the EU, but it would be cataclysmic for the UK. So why do we imagine the EU should be the ones to have to sort out our shit for us yet again? We wanted to leave, we don't like the backstop, all this stuff is us not them.
This situation just seems to get messier every day. The Tories don't have a clue and Labour don't have a clue either.
If Labour's position doesn't change and there is another GE, I'll either go with Greens or Lib Dem.
I can't give Labour much heat for where we are now, but they've shown nothing to suggest they'd resolve the situation.
If Labour's position doesn't change and there is another GE, I'll either go with Greens or Lib Dem.
I can't give Labour much heat for where we are now, but they've shown nothing to suggest they'd resolve the situation.
Just noticed on the A50 ruling - the UK can only unilaterally withdraw - subject to a vote in parliament
Basically you would have to get 50%+ of MPs to vote to remain in the EU under the current terms
I'm not sure there is a majority for anything in parliament - including that
So I'm not sure its changed anything - no deal and leaving on 29th March still seems most likley
Basically you would have to get 50%+ of MPs to vote to remain in the EU under the current terms
I'm not sure there is a majority for anything in parliament - including that
So I'm not sure its changed anything - no deal and leaving on 29th March still seems most likley
I think they are likely to wait for the "meaningful vote", whenever that will be.
Would think the transition period will be extended. There's no way a trade deal would be finalised by the end of 2020. But the backstop is not going to be removed or be allowed to be retracted unilaterally.
Don't know what the answer is because I don't think there is an answer and there will always be different factions who will be unhappy with any agreement.
The EU don't have any reason to think May can get any deal through parliament, why should they waste their time renegotiating?
May has to resign. Her position is untenable.
May has to resign. Her position is untenable.
Just put it to another referendum: May's Deal vs Remain. It's pretty fecking simple.
Out of curiosity is there enough time left to get a second referendum done before the hard Brexit deadline arrives in 3.5 months?
We can unilaterally withdraw Article 50 at any point if we want to stop the clock.
Whatever is about to happen you can guarantee it's aimed at securing Tory power and trying to damage Labour.
Wouldn't suprise me if she proposed a referendum on her deal or no deal brexit.
Wouldn't suprise me if she proposed a referendum on her deal or no deal brexit.