It may be extended yes, we just don't know. Don't forget the backstop will only come into existence if May's deal is passed in parliament, and that's looking unlikely at the moment.
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That's not the issue, I'm asking about the logistics of getting a parliamentary vote for conducting a referendum, setting up a voting date and tallying the results.
If the political will was there, yes they could.
It took 6 months to get the referendum legislation passed last time, let alone campaigning period etc. Perhaps things could be sped up this time, so the answer is "who knows?!"
will be interesting to see how long she can get away with delaying it... presumably she will have to announce that in her statement at 3:30?
Sure, but I'm saying that deadline at the end of March can be moved if there isn't enough time.
Yes, what bemuses me is that the agreement May has is the logical outcome of the Uk leaving, there are no cherries or magical solutions to the Irish border. Thus everyone is acting as this agreement is some kind of astonishing outcome and no-one has prepared for an alternative.
What did the UK expect to happen, this really astounds me and to compound it Labour are still talking about fantasy island after all this time.
Yes, imagine the scenes if what is best for the country, status quo, wins. How awful would that be?
the electoral commission said 22 weeks minimum (otherwise you open yourself up to legal arguments about fairness / validity)
and thats 22 weeks after the legistlation is passed in Parliament (4 weeks I believe... MP's would vote for it)
and thats after you have found a question that can be agreed on (and that its self would be a big battle I think)
so in short I think you would be lucky to have anything in place before mid June - probably July / August more realistic
I'd presume the EU would also have to agree to it.
And on cue.
Pound drops as Theresa May delays Commons vote on EU deal
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...change-rates-latest-dollar-euro-a8675911.html
yes
also remember there are EU elections in April / May where we are due to loose all our Eu representatives and they are to be distributed to other countries - a not insignificant technical hurdle as I cant see the Eu wanting to delay things past then
TBF its a much smaller drop than when they lost the votes the other day
https://www.google.com/search?q=pou...i57j69i59l3.2326j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
And I suspect a much smaller drop than would have happened when they lost the vote tomorrow
As an interested outsider, this is what baffles me as well. What exactly did the UK expect? Those who now attack this deal as unacceptable - what did they have in mind and why would the EU agree to that?
I think this has to be the only way forward. Not only is it the most common sense option, but it pleases those who want a second referendum, and doesn't tread on the toes of the "will of the people" peddlers.
something like the UK becoming an empire again and all these johnny foreigners lining up to be our bitches... anything less is un-British
I'm annoyed i can't watch, she's going to get fecking slaughtered in parlaiment for this
I think No deal or Mays deal is a more likley vote for her to sanction
saying the people have voted to leave - now the people will choose how to leave
3:30 - im sure it will be live on bbc parliament and radio 5 liveI'm annoyed i can't watch, she's going to get fecking slaughtered in parlaiment for this
Do you think she can get a referendum through parliament on those terms though?
They did but I’d imagine a lot of leavers wouldn’t have voted leave if they’d had a glimpse of the shitshow it would become. Putting the actual leaving scenario to the vote seems the fairest thing to do, but that’s not to say it’ll happen. As you say, it depends on what May is likely to agree to.
Given what happened last time, it would be madness to allow the public to choose if one of those options is 'no deal'.
It's the ridiculously arrogant belief that the EU are supposed to need the UK more than the other way round and that the EU would have to cave in to the UK's every whim. It was never going to happen but the Uk government banked on it and now realise that it could never happen and they now have no room for manoeuvre.
I dunno... I am not sure there is a majority to have remain on the ballot either?
It's easy to find 50%+ to disagree with any option... Genuinely not sure what (if anything) currently commands a majority
I think she would get the dup for what I suggested and I think all bar 5 to 10 of her own MP's (ken Clarke etc)... so it would be close
Delay definite. Getting the EU to move on the backstop is her only choice now.
This is never going to happen, so what next.
Varadkar says he has no issue with clarifying the agreement but it won't change.
If she's postponed to educate MPs further then she deserves everything coming her way
If she's postponed to educate MPs further then she deserves everything coming her way
Yeah May seems to be doing a terrible job but from my understanding of the situation her deal is the only deal that could have ever been negotiated. Seems bizarre that she's getting so much flak for it when there were no other options.
Especially after the other two numpties she appointed spent 2 years getting nowhere in negotiations.
imagine being ridiculous than the US 
Yeah well lets not run away with the idea that the EU is all that either. There are plenty of people other than the UK not happy with it's general tone and direction. The ECJ's ruling on Brexit may see that coming home to roost sooner rather than later. The bigger it has got the greater number of forces there are to oppose certain bits of it. It needs an altogether looser set of rules if it is to survive.
Erm so can someone give me a simplified status of what's going on now?
I guess its a mix of three things
1. to show that the deal cant be re-negotiated (basically its my deal or nothing.)
2. perhaps to get some wording / statement saying the EU would not allow the backstop to be in place indefinitely
3. to allow the clock to tick down a little and the markets to get jittery hoping to spook a few into backing her plan
I think it will backfire
wheres mogg... I think hes got a decent chance (if he can get to the last two and have the members vote on him)
Not a clue.
The only certainty is that she will get keel-hauled in the house later.
Just call another referendum
There are many things the EU needs to improve but that wasn't my point.
The EU can survive without the UK, and would never compromise on its whole basis which is the 4 freedoms.
The freedom of movement rule is a major problem for the UK , for example, but not for any of the other 27.