Democracy is asking people once and only once.
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Democracy is asking people once and only once.
Chaos?
that would be an interesting alliance of convenience
though re-reading the tweet - they might not need to have a vote to pull the vote? - (speakers choice I guess?)
Everything is fecked.
How many different ways are these MPs going to be told there aren't options to vote on? These people appear to be incredibly thick for elected representatives.
Can somebody explain to me why the SNP, whilst tirelessly seeking independence for Scotland, are so signed up to the idea of further European integration?
Isn't that something of a contradiction? Or is the movement more about being anti-English rather than pro-Scottish?
Not being snide, genuinely don't understand it.
Isn't that something of a contradiction? Or is the movement more about being anti-English rather than pro-Scottish?
Not being snide, genuinely don't understand it.
EU states are still sovereign states.
Sure, but there are powers ceded to the EU. Also, isn't the grand project for the EU to end up as a Federation?
Are they signed up to it though?
I've read somewhere that Scottish universities get a better amount of EU funding compared to British ones. It wouldn't surprise me if their local economies are more EU linked as well.
Ofcourse like @Kentonio mentioned, they can still be a sovereign country while being part of EU if they can get away from Britain.
Only if you believe Brexiters.
It's more that the english parliament has shown no interest in representing scottish interests for decades. It's barely bothered with the north of england never mind scotland.
And at a time when crucial information (such as the conditions of any possible deal) is simply not available.
I believe Scotland has benefitted so much from the access to the European market (exports) and also as a small, yet rich country with plenty of natural resources they are quite reliant on the immigrants, both high-skilled as well as not so skilled ones. Economically they're screwed in case there is Brexit, even more so if there is no deal. I wouldn't say SNP is more anti-English than pro-Scottish, that would be rather unfair.
And also one could make a case they'd have more sovereignty in the EU than in the UK, where they have absolutely no influence on Westminster and its decisions. The anti-English sentiment, Ireland success story (and how well they are doing economically) and willingness to position themselves as opposed to Trump-Farage-ERG-Robinson-nationalist far right axis (with the Scottish being rather progressive society) all play a role too, I guess.
TBF there are a few voices inside the EU that want just that, are there not? I'll try to find sources/names. Most of my Europhile friends hope for some kind of grand superstate eventually.
Well 1/3 of SNP voters supported Brexit! But the party itself has often made noises of the desire to be European, not British.
I'm in support of a federal European state but it's a very small minority at this point, the idea has little support. The concept of sovereign nation states is simply way too strong.
Closer union yes but federal superstate I doubt. Nations still want their identity, the UK voters have been told they don't have any say in anything which is completely untrue.
Its not untrue if you feel your mep's are not listening to the people, you know, a bit lile normal mp's.
"Differ", "delay", what's the difference?
The usual avoiding connotations nonsense, i suppose in english we'd associate it with train delays and delaying the inevitable
If the Uk had taken the matter seriously of voting for proper MEPs things may have been different. Instead the largest number of UK MEPs were UKIP who had no interest in either representing the UK voters or do anything other than turning up occasionally to be destructive rather than constructive. UKIP got voted in because of low turnouts and apathy of the voters.
Thanks.
More cowardice from the leader of the Tories. See Cameron for the other one.
30 minutes to get the popcorn ready.
This lady is for turning and turning and turning.
She's spent the last 2 week telling everyone that the deal can't be changed and Labour are idiots for thinking it can. Now she's trying to do just that for a couple more week in power.
I wonder if the amendments can be voted on irrespective of it being brought forward for a vote, common sense would say it should be possible but I'm thinking not
She's spent the last 2 week telling everyone that the deal can't be changed and Labour are idiots for thinking it can. Now she's trying to do just that for a couple more week in power.
I wonder if the amendments can be voted on irrespective of it being brought forward for a vote, common sense would say it should be possible but I'm thinking not
Except that stats show that, for example, you are more likely to be the victim of a hate crime in Scotland than in England. The idea that the Brexit vote shows Scotland is more welcoming to foreigners than the rest of the UK is a fallacy...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-44040251
The idea that we're more progressive overall is a bit of a fallacy but we do vote for progressive parties consistently. UKIP haven't made any inroads at all and the most prominent Tory up here is known for basically being one of the most liberal, even if that's partly just the way she projects herself.
The laughing, it's like a panto so far 
Hear Theresa May is favourite for the United job with this level of incompetence. Only when we cant make the top 4, though.
May turns more often than an Olympic figure skater.
She is right that another referendum would divide the country further. If remains wins in the second one, brexiters would never get over it.
Sounds more like a telling off than a proposal so far
Brexiters will never be happy though, even if they get Brexit. They will just move on to the next thing to moan about it
Oh well.
Basically. I think she’s on the brink, basically needs to go now.
This isn't as interesting as I thought it was going to be.
Hard to imagine how it can be divided any further than it currently is.