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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Pogue Mahone said:
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Does she not realise when the EU could threaten them with if they took this very same stance?
Its not even in Ireland's interests to keep the backstop, its to stop death and bloodshed in Northern Ireland for feck sake.
Its like NI doesn't exist for them.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
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The EU could and probably would subsidise Ireland for the losses that it takes if the UK push this type of agenda. The UK couldn't exist if Europe decided to block all trading and travel because of an attack on one of it's member states.

If we can't travel and trade with Europe we are fecked.
 
Everything's being cut back anyway - my mum has a medication review every 6 months, and it's like the reductions are decided in advance; the reviews are simply lip-service, IMO. This is supposed to be 21st-century Britain, not 1943, ffs.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Who needs experts like doctors when ministers can prescribe the correct dosage instead.
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Would love to know how many pharmacists they consulted before making this decision.

Big debate over here in Ireland at the moment about physician's rights to a conscience clause and surely some pharmacists would refuse to ration medicines if asked to.
 
sun_tzu said:
actually thats not true... only the government can legislate for a second referendum - only the government can apply to extend (or cancel) article 50
Parliament cant force her to do any of those things
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I get the impression that she could do something that’s not in the best interests of the country out of spite if her Deal gets shot down..
 
golden_blunder said:
I get the impression that she could do something that’s not in the best interests of the country out of spite if her Deal gets shot down..
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I genuinely think if she can't get her deal through she will say it has to be no deal and we have to leave on 29th march... Will.of the people etc...
Plus it probably keeps enough of the erg people on her side to ensure she survives as leader / pm
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Would love to know how many pharmacists they consulted before making this decision.

Big debate over here in Ireland at the moment about physician's rights to a conscience clause and surely some pharmacists would refuse to ration medicines if asked to.
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They ignore anything they don't want to hear. There are going to be thousands of things like this, why would people vote for all this?
People are mindbogglingly stupid.
 
Minimalist said:
Have to say ukpolitics on Reddit did a decent discussion on leavers explaining the benefits as they saw it. Not surprising some good arguments in there on the face of it.

My question is though, can anyone explain how leaving the EU and aligning closer to the US (assuming the most likely trade deal) is significantly better (for any factor of daily life)? Genuinely curious.
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America will want to sell us chlorinated Chicken and hormone treated Beef as "cheap meat"

These are not currently allowed in the EU due to concerns over health.

This will mainly be aimed at processed food and catering which has slightly less effective monitoring than supermarket foods.

So our children will be eating it in school meals etc pretty quickly.

American drug and health insurance companies are desperate to get their hands on the NHS so they will probably bid very low to take over aspects of the NHS supply chain.

Once they have a foothold they will start full privatisation as much as possible.

The only long term positive I can think of is it may encourage more inward investment in film and TV industry.
 
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...but seriously though, Two Faced Haunted Pencil aside, what exactly did this lad think a Leave vote was going to do to his marriage?? Mindboggling.
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I don't buy that their marriage was 'very successful' before his reveal, I'm gunna go ahead and suggest there were probably underlying issues and this was just something that set off her decision. I don't think you end a marriage with 2 kids because of a political decision you disagree with.

Alright, it's a pretty big political decision .. but I've had relationships with girls who have had wildly different political views and got on fine.

I'm just struggling to see how this goes down. Out of the blue she asks what he voted (no discussions beforehand??), he tells her and she decides that this news about the man she married and had 2 kids with is so mind blowing that she wants to divorce. Life was perfect beforehand, but nah ruined now.
 
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SquishyMcSquish said:
I don't buy that their marriage was 'very successful' before his reveal, I'm gunna go ahead and suggest there were probably underlying issues and this was just something that set off her decision. I don't think you end a marriage with 2 kids because of a political decision you disagree with.

Alright, it's a pretty big political decision .. but I've had relationships with girls who have had wildly different political views and got on fine.

I'm just struggling to see how this goes down. Out of the blue she asks what he voted (no discussions beforehand??), he tells her and she decides that this news about the man she married and had 2 kids with is so mind blowing that she wants to divorce. Life was perfect beforehand, but nah ruined now.
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No-one knows the full story but you seemed to have missed the point that his wife was German. Freedom of movement etc.?
 
Paul the Wolf said:
No-one knows the full story but you seemed to have missed the point that his wife was German. Freedom of movement etc.?
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I'm doubtful that he would be so stupid as to vote for something which would put his wife's future in the country in jeopardy .. I kinda assumed she had citizenship. If not then sure it's understandable, but you'd expect that to be mentioned in the interview?

The way it's headlined you assume the issue is a political decision dividing them, which I would be pretty doubtful of. It seems more than a little outlandish that this alone would destroy a happy marriage, especially considering they must have discussed politics before. Sounds to me like this guys marriage failed, and this was something which sparked an argument and he's using that to make a story. I reckon if you talked to the wife she'd have a bit more to say about why she left.

Just watched the end of the interview and it seems like the issue was over whether she would be entitled to stay in the country, which leaves me even more confused. How the feck do you vote for something that you know might endanger your wife being in the country? How are you then surprised she might be pissed off about that? How does this very important political decision to her future not come up until after the referendum?

Just makes no sense.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
I'm doubtful that he would be so stupid as to vote for something which would put his wife's future in the country in jeopardy .. I kinda assumed she had citizenship. If not then sure it's understandable, but you'd expect that to be mentioned in the interview?

The way it's headlined you assume the issue is a political decision dividing them, which I would be pretty doubtful of. It seems more than a little outlandish that this alone would destroy a happy marriage, especially considering they must have discussed politics before. Sounds to me like this guys marriage failed, and this was something which sparked an argument and he's using that to make a story. I reckon if you talked to the wife she'd have a bit more to say about why she left.
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Maybe, who knows, but it's rich to just rewrite what he actually says in the video.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
I'm doubtful that he would be so stupid as to vote for something which would put his wife's future in the country in jeopardy .. I kinda assumed she had citizenship. If not then sure it's understandable, but you'd expect that to be mentioned in the interview?

The way it's headlined you assume the issue is a political decision dividing them, which I would be pretty doubtful of. It seems more than a little outlandish that this alone would destroy a happy marriage, especially considering they must have discussed politics before. Sounds to me like this guys marriage failed, and this was something which sparked an argument and he's using that to make a story. I reckon if you talked to the wife she'd have a bit more to say about why she left.
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Who knows but I actually know of people who have voted Leave without it occurring to them that their partner is an EU national without UK citizenship and also people living in the EU voting for Leave when they themselves would suffer from the restrictions on FoM. Some people don't think through the consequences of their actions.
 
Oldyella said:
Maybe, who knows, but it's rich to just rewrite what he actually says in the video.
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What he says in the video makes no sense whatsoever. He's acting like his marriage was rosy until this one night where he shocked her and I don't get how that's at all plausible.

You've got the biggest political decision in a long time, it's all over the TV and news and you're telling me this hasn't come up even once during their marriage? She hasn't even mentioned 'hey, hope this doesn't go through or I might get kicked out of the country!'. I'm struggling to see how this could be such a monumental surprise to her, the whole story is just nonsensical.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Who knows but I actually know of people who have voted Leave without it occurring to them that their partner is an EU national without UK citizenship and also people living in the EU voting for Leave when they themselves would suffer from the restrictions on FoM. Some people don't think through the consequences of their actions.
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You'd think that this would be a discussion which comes up before the vote though, especially since it's so important to her that supposedly fighting out he voted leave led to her to end a perfect marriage. You'd also like to think that if you married and had 2 kids with a guy, you'd have some idea about his political views.

It sounds like a really crap episode of Jeremy Kyle to me.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
What he says in the video makes no sense whatsoever. He's acting like his marriage was rosy until this one night where he shocked her and I don't get how that's at all plausible.

You've got the biggest political decision in a long time, it's all over the TV and news and you're telling me this hasn't come up even once during their marriage? She hasn't even mentioned 'hey, hope this doesn't go through or I might get kicked out of the country!'. I'm struggling to see how this could be such a monumental surprise to her, the whole story is just nonsensical.
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From watching the video and him saying that his wife felt betrayed, it's possible she just assumed he would vote remain. Or he might have even said he would vote remain but changed his mind at the last minute and then didn't tell her afterwards until she asked.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
What he says in the video makes no sense whatsoever. He's acting like his marriage was rosy until this one night where he shocked her and I don't get how that's at all plausible.

You've got the biggest political decision in a long time, it's all over the TV and news and you're telling me this hasn't come up even once during their marriage? She hasn't even mentioned 'hey, hope this doesn't go through or I might get kicked out of the country!'. I'm struggling to see how this could be such a monumental surprise to her, the whole story is just nonsensical.
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I could quite easily imagine his German wife thinking he would obviously vote remain, given, you know, he is married to a German woman and feeling betrayed by finding the opposite.

But really, who knows, its his marriage, his story so we either take him at his word or you are accusing him of lying. Personally dont have much sympathy for the fellow.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Well yes but do you really think remain would win and if they don't then it is No Deal guaranteed. There's no chance of Norway, cherry picking or renegotiating with the EU.

The point is that the only thing better than May's deal is Remain. Everything else is worse.
If everyone's against May's deal they have to choose Remain immediately.
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See your contradiction, why would the EU not renegotiate under these circumstances of stampeding towards no-deal?
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
I don't buy that their marriage was 'very successful' before his reveal, I'm gunna go ahead and suggest there were probably underlying issues and this was just something that set off her decision. I don't think you end a marriage with 2 kids because of a political decision you disagree with.

Alright, it's a pretty big political decision .. but I've had relationships with girls who have had wildly different political views and got on fine.

I'm just struggling to see how this goes down. Out of the blue she asks what he voted (no discussions beforehand??), he tells her and she decides that this news about the man she married and had 2 kids with is so mind blowing that she wants to divorce. Life was perfect beforehand, but nah ruined now.
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For the woman it would have been seen as a huge betrayal for your own husband to vote against the very principles that allowed you to be together in the first place and a major dissapointment with regards to a persons intellect for reaching such a decision.

Plenty families have been split on the issue because it is so much more than just a political decision. It is stupid to define it simply as such. For a family like that it has immediate real life implications especially for those form the EU whom the Brexit rhetoric has made feel unwelcome here.

Very few EU citizens opt to get British citizenship because it has no benefits and it comes at a huge cost so I would higly doubt she would have had it.
 
endless_wheelies said:
See your contradiction, why would the EU not renegotiate under these circumstances of stampeding towards no-deal?
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What do you expect them to renegotiate?

Citizens rights - no
Financial Settlement - no
Irish border - no
Backstop -no
4 freedoms - no

I don't see what could be negotiated. The fact that it's taken all this time just for May to agree to what we knew she had to agree to two years ago has delayed talks for anything else and that the new trade arrangements will not be discussed until after the UK leaves which was known all along but ignored by most politicians.

The offer is there, it's up to the UK to decide whether they fall off the cliff or not. The other choice is to cancel Brexit altogether.
 
endless_wheelies said:
See your contradiction, why would the EU not renegotiate under these circumstances of stampeding towards no-deal?
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Any negotiation would have to ensure that there is no border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. That means a Common Market between the two. That means we have 3 choices.

1) The Deal that the EU will give for us to leave. May's deal.
2) Remain
3) crash out. The thing is that when we crash out the EU would still demand that there be no border between Ireland and N Ireland for us to have a trade deal. It would also likely say that we would need to revoke our ownership of Gibraltar. Crashing out leaves us weaker than any other deal.
 
sun_tzu said:
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https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/e...a-brexit-deal-can-renegotiated-161400838.html

Insane...
 
Fully Fledged said:
Any negotiation would have to ensure that there is no border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. That means a Common Market between the two. That means we have 3 choices.

1) The Deal that the EU will give for us to leave. May's deal.
2) Remain
3) crash out. The thing is that when we crash out the EU would still demand that there be no border between Ireland and N Ireland for us to have a trade deal. It would also likely say that we would need to revoke our ownership of Gibraltar. Crashing out leaves us weaker than any other deal.
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Paul the Wolf said:
What do you expect them to renegotiate?

Citizens rights - no
Financial Settlement - no
Irish border - no
Backstop -no
4 freedoms - no

I don't see what could be negotiated. The fact that it's taken all this time just for May to agree to what we knew she had to agree to two years ago has delayed talks for anything else and that the new trade arrangements will not be discussed until after the UK leaves which was known all along but ignored by most politicians.

The offer is there, it's up to the UK to decide whether they fall off the cliff or not. The other choice is to cancel Brexit altogether.
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Maybe less renegotiated and more reworded in the hope that UK politicians lose their nerve second time round of voting. Although there is a tiered model that Barnier said he'd release a few months ago showing how market access can be increased proportionately to the level of overall integration, which I think is what Corbyn thinks he's referring to.

Thinking sequentially though, what is going to happen is the EU is going to offer us a little something to kick remain over the line in the inevitable second referendum.
 
endless_wheelies said:
Maybe less renegotiated and more reworded in the hope that UK politicians lose their nerve second time round of voting. Although there is a tiered model that Barnier said he'd release a few months ago showing how market access can be increased proportionately to the level of overall integration, which I think is what Corbyn thinks he's referring to.

Thinking sequentially though, what is going to happen is the EU is going to offer us a little something to kick remain over the line in the inevitable second referendum.
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I don't see what the EU can offer more, they think they have offered generously up to now. A little rewording of the political declaration I don't think will make much difference should there be another referendum. If the voters really understood what was happening or what will happen when they leave I doubt the Uk would be in this position now. Corbyn is doing what May did at the beginning. Being in the customs Union and Single Market is being in the EU but Corbyn expects to have this whilst being outside and not having to follow the 4 freedoms. It's like going back 2 years ago.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
I don't see what the EU can offer more, they think they have offered generously up to now. A little rewording of the political declaration I don't think will make much difference should there be another referendum. If the voters really understood what was happening or what will happen when they leave I doubt the Uk would be in this position now. Corbyn is doing what May did at the beginning. Being in the customs Union and Single Market is being in the EU but Corbyn expects to have this whilst being outside and not having to follow the 4 freedoms. It's like going back 2 years ago.
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Well on the tiered model there are about 6 rungs, Corbyn wants to shift to upwards in integration and market access whilst the hard right-wing Conservatives want to shift downwards. Regarding Corbyn so long as you're not on the top rung you can claim to have ended "freedom of movement" and Labour's shtick is that they are prioritising the economy over immigration anyway, so I think that's what he's talking about when he refers to his big plan for renegotiating.

When I talk about rewording the declaration I mean that in relation to dressing up that process as "renegotiating" for May to take back in the hope that politicians lose their nerve at the second round of parliamentary voting on it; at the second referendum the EU will push the boat out much further as far as emergency brakes, kickbacks etc go.
 
In France, the "yellow vest" protesters won something. Perhaps the Remainers can learn from them? What if they organize large scale protests demanding a second referendum? Three years of craziness are enough. I know it sound silly, but someone has to step up to resolve the Brexit problem.
 
CA_vampire said:
In France, the "yellow vest" protesters won something. Perhaps the Remainers can learn from them? What if they organize large scale protests demanding a second referendum? Three years of craziness are enough. I know it sound silly, but someone has to step up to resolve the Brexit problem.
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And what happens if Brexiters think the same way?
 
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