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I'd think I catch a lot of herring that the UK market doesn't eat and hope we still have free access to the European markets that do
Blame Socialists for that.
I'm sorry, what? We have to deal with this bunch of shite Tory politicians because we focussed too much on equality?
Even across all polls it shows that remain won't necessarily win. There hasn't been the movement people think and I'm convinced any people's vote campaigning will end up pushing people to vote leave. Such is this country.
It will be one of the most depressing days if that happens.
It will be one of the most depressing days if that happens.
That damned equality, will it ever learn
Well youd be competing with euroboats for that herring so your market would be small. Some eu fisheries catch 80% of their fish in british waters.
Stanley Road is running out of things to cling on to 
Isn't this because British companies keep selling their quotas though?
What? Blame socialists for us constantly allowing public school yahoos to feck us up the arse for their own enrichment?
Liam Fox has this morning been pushing the idea that No Deal won't be a disaster (which may refused to say herself yesterday). Hopefully that's just politics and they're pushing against Labours amendment rather than actually believing that.
I'm not, I just see things from other peoples perspective instead and not my own selfishness.Stanley Road is running out of things to cling on to
Says the guy living in the Netherlands but fully supportive of the UK leaving the EU that he himself voluntarily continues to live in.
They (the 'pizza plotters') will knife May in the back, take the top job and push ahead with 'no deal', as soon as her deal gets voted down.
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Remainers are selfish now, nice one.
"By threatening to oppose her deal in a Commoms vote on 11th December, Mrs May said Labour were effectively advocating leaving without a deal"
fecking cheek of her
fecking cheek of her
The problem is that she is right and Corbyn has fallen into the trap and will get at least part of the blame.
The EU repeated yet again today, there is no other deal. There can be no other deal. The only other option is to cancel Brexit if the EU let them.
They might make us sweat a bit, but this is what everyone, with a brain, really wants.
As I said months ago. The idea that Corbyn wouldn't take any flak for a shit brexit was bollocks. Which makes his "constructive ambiguity" a flowed plan. It's probably too late in the process for him to start preaching anything workable. He should have been clear on what kind of brexit he wants as soon as A50 was triggered and it would have made him a credible voice now, considering the Tories are a mess.
As it stands she's right. Labour haven't proposed anything at all that might change that course of events. For instance they could get wholeheartedly behind a second referendum, but they would need to decide that soon, they would need to be clear about what the question would be, when it would be and so on, and most importantly they would need assurances from the EU as to if and under what conditions they might allow us to remain, as without that Leave would win again anyway. I don't see Labour preparing for any of this or anything else, and time is running out.
This may be so or may not, but unless some one asks the EU Council to meet and decide what the terms would be then we couldn't be sure they wouldn't insist on us joining the Euro, Schengen, and the rest, and if Remain couldn't win the last referendum they sure as hell wouldn't win another with that possibility still open.
I don't know where all these people with brains are hiding, because I'm seeing absolutely nothing that's likely to stop Brexit occurring so far.
They've tabled a fairly significant amendment that says parliament is to block a no brexit. That's a fairly significant step and the complete opposite of what May is saying.
They need to stand firm now and say they won't be bullied into a bad deal and they're not going to allow this country to suffer through a no deal. That means they or the Tories will need to try renegotiate and if that fails then a referendum to cancel Brexit.
They'll get some flak for it sure but the blame is on May/Tories for not delivering an acceptable Brexit to parliament.
Thanks, but I don't understand what 'block a no brexit' means, not being sarky, I just don't.
Other than that, I can't see how parliament can force the EU to negotiate if the EU doesn't want to, and I can't see how Remain could win a second referendum without EU guarantees first, and no one has even asked them that in the first place, and it's not a question they could answer overnight, as all the member states would have to be consulted.
I can see how Labour might bring down May, and possibly trigger a general election, but if they're putting that gamble ahead of a responsible Brexit policy they won't be getting my vote.
I seriously do not understand what is going on in the UK.
May's touring the country selling the deal to who?
What the hell will a general election do?
Even another referendum is unlikely to change anything?
Furthermore there's no time left.
There is no renegotiation.
The options were blindingly obvious since the beginning.
There is no cake, there are no cherries.
Without cancelling Brexit, May's deal is actually the best option.
May's touring the country selling the deal to who?
What the hell will a general election do?
Even another referendum is unlikely to change anything?
Furthermore there's no time left.
There is no renegotiation.
The options were blindingly obvious since the beginning.
There is no cake, there are no cherries.
Without cancelling Brexit, May's deal is actually the best option.
Such a think does not exist.
Until we confirm whether we can revoke or extend it means nothing to no one but there's an assumption backed up by what the EU are saying that we will in fact be able to revoke (perhaps not unilaterally).
The assumption may well be true but unless, not until, the EU clarify their position there's no chance of Remain winning a referendum. I've no doubt at all there will be people in France right now saying if the UK wants back into Europe they will have to prove they are good Europeans and join the Euro, Schengen and give up any special rebates. Whether that view would ever win a Council vote isn't relevant, the mere threat of it would guarantee a Leave vote in a dozen referendums. (or is it referenda, shit, I don't know).
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Labour get behind a second referendum eventually, in a half-arsed way, too late, with a crap question, no clarification of what the choices mean whatsoever, and lose it.
There is only one best option and that is cancelling Brexit. All other options will cause harm to the country. On this one point I agree with the Americans and would say that a soft Brexit is the 'least worst option'. I hate the term 'least worst' but in this case it fits as all exit options are worse than staying.
Agree with you but how and who is going to cancel it. Don't think any politician has the guts to cancel it and how will parliament allow it to be cancelled. Furthermore both parties leaders are set on the country's destruction as long as their personal ambition is achieved.
At this stage cancelling it will probably solve feck all, leave the UK more divided than ever, and then you'll end up leaving again in another 10-15 years.
As much as it pains me to say it the only thing that will sort this 'mess' is the UK crashing out,the leavers actually feeling the horrid effects, and then being let back in.
As an Irish person I obviously want the UK to stay but I feel like if they did it'd only be a temporary fix until it all bubbles up again.
As much as it pains me to say it the only thing that will sort this 'mess' is the UK crashing out,the leavers actually feeling the horrid effects, and then being let back in.
As an Irish person I obviously want the UK to stay but I feel like if they did it'd only be a temporary fix until it all bubbles up again.
The EU claim that they will never allow this. But of course, a lot can change in a couple of years time.
Of course they'll allow it.
They claim they don't because they don't want the UK to think they have the option if (when) things go tits up for them.
They'll allow it, but not under current conditions.
No doubt, but that's to be expected when the UK tears up 40 years of vetoes and opt-outs.
A government should work for the best interests of the country that it governs. They should be like doctors with the motto first, do no harm. If any policy that they are considering fails to meet that criteria then it should be voted down.
Now we all know that the people who voted for Brexit don't except how much this will impact them when everything goes south. The thing is that when it does impact them they wont go hands up I made a mistake it's my bad. They will blame the politicians that got them there. So when this does get FUBAR'd everybody is going to blame the people who implemented it. The people who wanted to stay will blame the politicians who pulled them out for their problems but those who wanted to stay will also blame the politicians who pulled them out if their life is suddenly worse. Heaven knows nothing can ever be their fault. So they might as well vote it down and stay on the good side of the remainers as have everybody against them.
Surely they will just blame the EU...........wait........
They've had the EU and the previous Labour government for 8 years and over the last couple of years its increasingly been the fault of remainers who keep talking the UK down.
It's not quite that simple though. At the moment they want us to stay of course, but if we leave it opens up a lot of new possibilities for further integration. Once that starts, letting us back in could be seriously troublesome, plus we'll have cost them a huge amount of money already with this Brexit nonsense.